More than just Polearms. [Archive]

Nightsoldier

01-23-2008, 06:30 PM

Mercury

01-23-2008, 07:11 PM

As well I just looked up BG in the warhammer model game and they were using more than just polearms.

Jinsei

01-23-2008, 07:34 PM

One of the grabbag of questions asks this question and the answer is that the Black Guard isn't limited to halberds. There's also a piece of concept art of a BG dual wielding swords.

Duty

01-23-2008, 08:00 PM

Not sure about two handers but theres a concept art where BG has a sword. Also they have a big sword sheath in tier 4 screenshots so I wouldnt be surprised. It is kind of there iconic weapon though so dont get your hopes to high.

http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/ConArt0807_39.jpg

Theres the screenshot. Thats a pretty big sword so it could be a twohander.

That's a polearm.

Most likely they'll use polearms and 1h sword/board since they are a tank. They may be able to use other weapons, but poles are the iconic weapon of the BG, while having a shield comes from being a tank.

Jg117

01-23-2008, 08:12 PM

I think they'll get other weapons. I am doubting they will get defensive items like shields though. They don't seem like the type to be sacrificing damage for a'lil more defense.

Jinsei

01-23-2008, 08:18 PM

I think they'll get other weapons. I am doubting they will get defensive items like shields though. They don't seem like the type to be sacrificing damage for a'lil more defense.
Theres already concept art out for BG shields. They'll be able to use shields and swords.

Jg117

01-23-2008, 08:26 PM

Theres already concept art out for BG shields. They'll be able to use shields and swords.

Hmm, well I've only seen 1 or 2 pieces of concept art for them not very interested in 'em, that does surprise me though.

Haager

01-23-2008, 08:40 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightsoldier http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/images/WHA/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?p=635580#post635580)
Not sure about two handers but theres a concept art where BG has a sword. Also they have a big sword sheath in tier 4 screenshots so I wouldnt be surprised. It is kind of there iconic weapon though so dont get your hopes to high.

http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/...Art0807_39.jpg (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/ConArt0807_39.jpg)

Theres the screenshot. Thats a pretty big sword so it could be a twohander.

That's a polearm.

Most likely they'll use polearms and 1h sword/board since they are a tank. They may be able to use other weapons, but poles are the iconic weapon of the BG, while having a shield comes from being a tank.

Duty-I think he was talking about the big sword like protrusion strapped to the bg's waist
but I could be wrong.:)

P.S. I agree with you about everything else.

Zedaine

01-24-2008, 12:19 AM

Looking at the BGs concept art, not only is he wielding a halberd, but has two swords on his side. I can imagine being able to thrown down your halberd (put away), pull out two swords, and start dual wielding in the middle of combat. Switching from a two-handed fighting style to dual wielding in mid combat would be exciting and make the BG very versatile. I'm sure this might fall into the tactics category. Two-hander and dual-wield tactics in the same bar (if you can put more than one of these types of tactics in combat) so you can switch them in mid combat? Who knows, but it is something interesting to think about...

Gemini

01-24-2008, 01:33 PM

Hmm, well I've only seen 1 or 2 pieces of concept art for them not very interested in 'em, that does surprise me though.

The shield art wasn't released with them, it was seperate, but they are labeled dark elf shields, and no one else gets shields, so it's a pretty safe bet they are for the Black Guard.

Nightsoldier

01-24-2008, 01:45 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightsoldier http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/images/WHA/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?p=635580#post635580)
Not sure about two handers but theres a concept art where BG has a sword. Also they have a big sword sheath in tier 4 screenshots so I wouldnt be surprised. It is kind of there iconic weapon though so dont get your hopes to high.

http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/...Art0807_39.jpg (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/ConArt0807_39.jpg)

Theres the screenshot. Thats a pretty big sword so it could be a twohander.

That's a polearm.

Duty-I think he was talking about the big sword like protrusion strapped to the bg's waist
but I could be wrong.:)

P.S. I agree with you about everything else.

Thats what I did mean. Sorry if my wording was confusing.

Lord Tareq

01-24-2008, 03:02 PM

Cruniac

01-24-2008, 10:44 PM

The two swords at the Black Guards hip is not just extra armament, but first and foremost sign of nobility...only Druchii nobility may carry the dual swords...the pair has a name but atm I cant find my army book so that will have to wait.

My guess regarding weapons is that the black guards can choose from a quite wide array of weapons and combinations but that they will gain access to special moves with a halberd in their hands..

That in itself could spark interesting twists and turns when choosing gear...for example should I take the sword which is slightly better dps and stats wise or should I take the slightly lesser halberd for the abilities I gain access to?

Zether

01-25-2008, 12:12 AM

How about a pole arm ... with a blade on each end! whirling twirling death (in three pieces).

Delolith

01-25-2008, 01:47 AM

My guess is the following weapon options:

- Halberd (with some abilities depending on the halberd)
- Draich/2-handed sword
- Sword and shield
- Dual Wield sword
- Repeater crossbow

Since they are the only class you can somewhat envision having a repeater crossbow (Black Guard are nobility after all), I hope that will be the case, in the same way as WoW (separate ranged slot, useful for pulling or doing some damage when rooted)

Isn't Draich an Executioner specific weapon? Thought in order to use a Draich to sever a body part it needed particular training that only the Executioners recieve. If it is a specific weapon and they give Black Guards the opportunity to wield one might as well give Greatswords of Hoeth to White Lions....they use massive axes...why they cannot use massive swords? /jk. But you get my point.

Delolith

Lord Tareq

01-25-2008, 03:12 AM

Isn't Draich an Executioner specific weapon? Thought in order to use a Draich to sever a body part it needed particular training that only the Executioners recieve. If it is a specific weapon and they give Black Guards the opportunity to wield one might as well give Greatswords of Hoeth to White Lions....they use massive axes...why they cannot use massive swords? /jk. But you get my point.

Delolith

Executioners use them, but its not an executioner-only weapon. Your high elf example is a bit off since they have a playable class that uses that weapon, while executioners are not playable.

Delolith

01-25-2008, 05:34 AM

Executioners use them, but its not an executioner-only weapon. Your high elf example is a bit off since they have a playable class that uses that weapon, while executioners are not playable.

I get your point but still I don't see a reason why they would give Black Guards that their iconic weapon is the halberd a Draich that is pretty iconic for Executioners. I hope you understand my reasoning even if no class can use it on the DE side from the available classes.

Delolith

Xxpect

01-27-2008, 11:08 PM

The weapon in the concept art looks more like a Glaive to me than a Halberd. A halberd is a long shafted weapon with an axe blade and a spike on the end, a Glaive is a long shafted weapon with a sword-like blade on the end. Both are types of polearms.

I'm betting the Black Guard will be limited to the "halberd" for two handed combat and will most likely have a sword and board option. I doubt they will dual wield just based on the fact that Witch Elf and Disciple already dual wield and it would be odd to have one race with three dual wielding careers.

Cactus

01-29-2008, 10:02 AM

On TT, their main Weapon is the "halberd", (Glaive... I agree with you) But the MMO has to have a certain lax, i am expecting the Black guard to cover Cold One Knights, Executioners as well, for thos Rpg guys and gals. So therefore i would fully expect Sword 'n Board and the Two Handed Sword to be incorporated into the Black guards arsenal.
Sword and Board especially, just would look so good on a mount. DE Shields (Y) Boss.
These are just my views, however, nothing set in stone ofc.

Jinsei

01-29-2008, 10:41 AM

I believe Black Guards will be able to dual wield one-handed swords, use shields, equip two-handed swords and of course a wide array of polearms.

ShiroRX

01-29-2008, 10:46 AM

I believe Black Guards will be able to dual wield one-handed swords, use shields, equip two-handed swords and of course a wide array of polearms.

Mythic's silhouetting plans will almost certainly limit them to 2h and sword/board.

Jinsei

01-29-2008, 10:52 AM

Mythic's silhouetting plans will almost certainly limit them to 2h and sword/board.
There's concept art out with a BG dual wielding and the Black Guard Champion TT model has a wicked looking 2h sword. The silhouetting is done mostly through armor and what not though. Black Orc and Choppa weaponry look very similar, as do their Dwarf counterparts. Chaos Chosen have access to a massive variety of weapons. Why not a Black Guard? I personally will be using halberds cuz I love the look and abilities with them but I do think they're going to have many options weapon-wise.

ShiroRX

01-29-2008, 11:00 AM

There's concept art out with a BG dual wielding and the Black Guard Champion TT model has a wicked looking 2h sword. The silhouetting is done mostly through armor and what not though. Black Orc and Choppa weaponry look very similar, as do their Dwarf counterparts. Chaos Chosen have access to a massive variety of weapons. Why not a Black Guard? I personally will be using halberds cuz I love the look and abilities with them but I do think they're going to have many options weapon-wise.

The concept art is simply that, concept, not confirmed fact. By concept their were Orc Shamans and goblins triple wielding blades.

Black Guard's can most definitely wield 2h swords in the game, I am not gonna discount that option, but dual wielding is something that will probably be limited to certain classes. Each melee class is probably given a couple options as far as weapon setups, and good variability within those setups.

Black Guards traditionally carry 2 blades because of their background as Dark Elf nobility, but their use is nearly nonexistent. In TT or otherwise.