Scavenging 1.2 -- Terribad

[d0m2071]

This was by no means scientific.. however since the patch i kept a rough count and here are the estimated numbers. This is mearly to show how poor scavenging is as a way to support your talisman making once your at 200. For leveling purposes scavenging seems to be the way to go to bump up your TM. However at 200scav/200tm its absolutely pathetic. Decent fragments were near non existant and what really surprised me was the utter lack of quality curios now.

Ive scavenged a vast variety of mobs in all t4 zones.
Levels were mainly from 34-42.
All classes (regular, champions, players, etc.)

Fragments:
I have gotten around 550 white fragments ranging from 125-200.
I have gotten 0 green fragments
I have gotten 0 blue fragments
I have gotten 2 purple fragments. A 175 strength and 150 intel.

Boxes:
42 white lvl 50 boxes
95 green lvl 100 boxes
73 blue lvl 150 boxes
14 blue lvl 200 boxes

Dust:
About 55 whites ranging from 100-200
34 green lvl 150
26 green lvl 175
11 green lvl 200

Curios:
18 mixed white/green/blue lvl 125's
48 mixed white/green/blue lvl 150's
28 purple lvl 150 clovers
42 mixed white/green lvl 175's
32 blue lvl 175 rinox horns
12 mixed white/green/blue lvl 200's
0 purple lvl 200's


The pattern that emerges is clear. While providing plenty of lvling mats for TM... it provides a horrible ratio (kill amount vrs scavenging returns) for anyone who has their TM at 200 and is making end game talismans.

I would highly recomend anyone with 200 TM forget scavenging as its only usefull for lvling your TM up and even then is a streach since salvaging can be just as usefull for leveling, the only difference is that you spend more because you lose gear sales.

I know i plan to drop scavenging and grind up salvaging despite it being expensive to. I wish mythic would of offered free switches all across the board but as of yet no such luck. Thanks for nothing mythic.

[Transience]

I think everyone noticed that by now.

Seeing that you saved 200-300g and huge amounts of time by leveling TM with scavenging isn't really "thanks for nothing". It's still a good crafting trade for people who do a lot of rvr and kill farming, and also gives you loads of money if you know how to use the AH properly.

GG on negativity and overdramatizing the whole thing :roll:

[Spifnar]

Scavanging is pretty much gutted by the changes, so it's not really "overdramaticized"

To get purple frags, you just need to scavange a *ton* of mobs. My experience is the same as the OP: 2 purples after hundreds of scavanges. Both from normal con mobs

To get anything good (200 skill boxes, 175+ green/blue curios), you need to scavange champs.

To get the best stuff (Paragon ashes or dragon disks) you need to scavange heros.

In summary:

Aside from mass slaughter of T4 mobs, you can't improve your chances of a purple frag. This is mindnumbingly boring. Also, at no point can you get a moderately useful green/blue frag. Champs/heros should have an increased drop rate of better frags. Maybe they just couldn't get itemization of frags in on time and it'll come in the future.

On the plus side, scavanging is the only source of boxes (and the 200 boxes are pretty nice) and top curios

I suppose salvagers might start selling blue frags on the AH, but I find that's not usually the case. They just make them into talismans

[deya]

I've found so far 8 paragon ashes from normal mobs.

Best curios so far, I've found a few bitterhead arrows from normal mobs but no 200+ green, blue or purple curios so far.

[RDMorpheus]

My scavanger has already found more Epic Quality talismans scavenging since the patch than my Lv 40 TM with Salvaging has MADE in the entire history of WAR. Its fine.

[ndogggg]

Yeah I kinda like the change TBH. Farmed some 40-41 normal mobs for about 3 hours. Got 2 purple fragments, 4 paragons ashes, probably another 15-20 blue/purp curios in the 175 range (and 3 blue 200 curios). Got a ton of 150/175 white fragments which are of course useless, but also got 55 blue 150 boxes and 80 green boxes (which sell half decent on the AH).

Anyway, in one day I made 2 +19s, which brings my gaming total up to 2. And I didn't have to break any orange/purple items to do it.

250g for the two resulting +19s, another 60g for the random sale of things I got in surplus, and I'm sitting on 20 175/200 blue/purp curios.

For 3 hours work. Hard to complain.

[Wrektem]

I think the adjustment we have to make is our farm spots. I used to farm paragons in the TM PQ with the gnoblars. Now it's an easy PQ btw and the last two guys are champs I was able to solo on my sorc.

I think scav drops got generalized so that it's pretty random no matter where you go. I haven't farmed spots for paragons but I've got some white 200's from player corpses and thats all you really need for these epic 125 fragments dropping off players. Heck i think I might have used a 200 dust 175 curio 200 essence and still got a +19 willpower.

Personally I'm not a big fan of the changes. I liked being able to churn out healing potions. The change only let you switch gathering skills afaik which means my sorc is stuck at 200 scav w/ 200 apoth. I have a 200 TM but it's an alt.

[freche]

Try farming a little while in chapter 22.

I have not kept track of how many mobs I have killed but somwhere between 400 and 600 mobs.

Numbers are not exact but should give a small indication that scavenging is not that bad imo, I get more 200 fragments then I can get dragon discs or bracelets.

~10, purple fragments ranging from 150-200
~15, 150 purple cruio
~10, purple 175 curios
~ 8, paragon's ashes

[Artazz]

Well i think no one gathering profession completely fullfills production profession. It would make trade betven tradeskils obsolete.

But...

You can get boxes/dusts/curios/fragments from scavenging. So you need only essences. And essences are dirty cheap novadays. And Chance to obtain purple frag from scav seems realy high. So you still can make +19/20 talismans and sell/trade for whatever reason you need.

Compared with magical scavenging, curios you need for TM are much and much more priced in AH, same as boxes.

And if you have salvager friend its much easer to buy some BoE stuff and ask him to salvage for your needs, than ask to scavenger firend to farm some curios/boxes for some hours.

Well thats just my thoughts.

[xEntity]

I think I'll be sticking with Scavenging even though I don't have TM, probrably will just sell the frags on the AH.

[Fyyr]

I think if they gave players the option to pick two gathering professions, it may solve the problem. It is a bit cumbersome to need two gathering professions for one crafting trade. Scavenging is the only way to get curios. Salvaging is the only way to get essences. I think the other problem is the rate of usable drops is significantly lower than what a salvager typically salvages. I salvage 10 purples to get one epic fragment and 9 blue fragments. I have to scavenge nearly 100 mobs to get curios to craft all of those, plus I might get one additional purple fragment to craft.

Overall, it isn't horrible, but the system could be a lot better.

[Shakrah]

I thought they deleted scavenging in 1.2?

The only thing I would get from corpses now is useless boxes for talismans (scav/apothecary) I do not need.

Pretty much gave up on crafting anyway.

[Nizaris]

i have dozens of purple frags and i think the drop rate is surprisingly high. although you can't scavenge wounds ones so the best ones are still rare.

scavenging is fine.

[boomaster]

"although you can't scavenge wounds ones so the best ones are still rare." - Nizaris

Not sure if it's common knowledge and I have yet to find anymore but I have just got a DENSE EBON SAND (white) frag which is a +5 power 25 tali skill WOUNDS fragment.

It dropped from the Sgismundi Spirits in empire t1, in the first dungeon (the one you go to for Granthar Hammer). I'm going to see if I can find more. Also got an armour frag off of another spirit, again only white but this is t1.

Hope it helps.

[Thanat0s]

The whole system makes no sense. Why can we scavenge whites and purples but not greens or blues? Why can we only scavenge purples of 'main career' stats (str,int,ball,wp)? Why cant we scavenge dungeon bosses? Does Mythic really want to force us to go and farm those random hero mobs to get special curios? Is 1 extra stat on a talisman so overpowering that we need to jump through hoops and hurdles to get them? It's ridiculous, talisman prices have dropped so much, but people still try to sell those special curios for 5x the price of a +19?

And you can scavenge white wounds frags, I get them on a regular basis (but not has much as the main stats). I'm glad I never sold any of my purple wounds frags, it's becoming quite the investment portfolio.

[Manitou]

The hillarious drop rate for purple frags may or may not be forced this low by Mythic to increase their revenue by encouraging a chinese gold farming market. Every time a gold sellers acount gets banned, he buys a new one. Just check the WAR web site for the number of banned farmers acounts.

The rarity of decent talismans means that they are priced so high that only people with access to chinese gold can plausably afford more than one.

Don't expect any changes though. Despite the rhetoric, Mythic surey enjoys it's revenue from Gold seller acounts. It's good business for both of them. ;)