please explain the appeal

[RockpapperWaagh]

as the title says. Im having alot of trouble wrapping my brain around this class... mostly from what i see as being visually awkward. I like the idea of going range against melee and against casters closing the gap to interupt spell casts. But really is their look appealing to people?

T1 is alright, but it just seems as each teir goes up their armor gets more... well armory, and less 'i move fast and stay in the shadows' Its kinda like a samurai a ninja and a wood elf all madea baby and the shadow warrior was his name.


-love
the visually perplexed player who cant decide on a class until he gets to really test them out in beta.

[ChosenOne]

Its pretty hard to put it into a fully comprehensible explanation. To me its just the total package of opportunity. Especially after the let down of the Chosen. I prefer the archer ideal to magically blowing things up. Being able to whip out a couple blades when I have to but trying to maintain my distance just sounds like an intriguing gameplay style that will never truly get old and will be a constant challenge.

There will be alot of strategy to this class's gameplay. Positioning, quick thinking and decision making because attention can be turned upon you in a split second. It has some ambush aspect to it but the player has to figure out how to do that instead of just hitting the stealth button.

It will be a very engaging class. I'm not horribly worried about the look because once again, I was just let down about a class I initially picked because of the look. But thankfully I Do like the look of it. The armored bits dont bother me because it says in the description that it wears a mixture of leather and scale mail armor. That means its armor is going to be decent. I was worried when I thought it was pure leather, that it might be too light for how often it might get caught at melee range.

[oakae]

I'm pretty sure they will use a bow even against casters, that's where most of their abilities and damage will be.

The armor they are wearing looks pretty light compared to actual tanks. Just cloth/leather/mail mixed with 2-3 light plate pieces.

[Atheis Kurayami]

Well there is an important fact about high elf armor that is not mentioned a lot that the shadow warrior shows off. That is light armor by high elven standards, the reason being that high elves are the best light armor smiths in warhammer. Even the dwarves stand in awe of how great high elf light armor is. If you look at the high tier swordmaster you notice that their armor looks almost identical to the high tier shadow warrior, the reason being is because it is the same armor. Their armor is made of the metal Ithilmar is as hard as steel and weights practically nothing. It is technically heavy armor, but it has the same weight as light armor.

The problem with Ithilmar is it is excedingly rare, and the high elves only give them to elite troops. Which us as players happen to be, the only high elf class who will not be wearing Ithilmar armor is the archmage. But archmages can't wear armor due to the interfering effects armor has on magic.

[Rik Riorik]

I actually really like the way the career looks, both in terms of lower as well as higher tier. The more detailed artwork that has been released this time around (alongside the move and shoot of the career profile) is actually what makes the Shadow Warrior only the second Ranged DPS I would consider playing (with the other being the Sorcerer).

[Mercer7]

Great history too, if you're into reading. They're pretty much as close as the Order side can come to being evil without actually crossing the line. Here's a paragraph about them.

As members of an almost feral society, these elves are never really welcomed – feared more likely – by the other elves of Ulthuan. For it is true that the elves that still linger in the lands of the destroyed ancient Kingdom of Nagarythe, ever a proud and warlike people, are cruel and merciless in the way of Aenarion in his madness. Without any doubt, they remain a frightening proof of the potential for evil within elven hearts. Today, the so-called Shadowlanders are the most ruthless Asur kindred and such reputation is not an unjust one.

-quote from http://www.ulthuan.net/

[Fat Otaku]

Meeb tink its koz da femm skinnies are per-tty. Meeb will admit meeb du loike da ladiss, meeb loike em alot. 'Igh Elf'z are nub as scary as Dark Elf'z. Taste da same owevver, probablee scrap da same. Stab meeb wif their sticka an meeb stab dim wif mi choppa. Meeb know trust Dark Elf'z, meeb trust a 'Igh Elf before meeb trust dim. Corse meeb still godda kills dim, part o' da job.

[RockpapperWaagh]

I'm pretty sure they will use a bow even against casters, that's where most of their abilities and damage will be.

The armor they are wearing looks pretty light compared to actual tanks. Just cloth/leather/mail mixed with 2-3 light plate pieces.


i do beleive that on the offical site they mention under the how to play as section that while a ranged dps class to utilize their abilities to stop casters they need to be at close range.

[Shandris]

Until the recent january newsletter (soon to hit our email hopefully) that came out today, I was definitely iffy on the look of shadow warriors, because the most developed images we had of concept art were of the lower tiered shadow warriors. I just didnt like the weak look of them (as most low tiered concept art goes for all classes) and then I saw the colored tier 4 concept art photo in the shadow warrior class overview that just came out, and it looks sweet. the hood and the glowy armor with an elegant look and metallic feel reminds me a lot of the look of the high elven warriors from the LOTR movies (specifically the two towers). I would be more than ok with that kind of look anyday.

I was also worried about what they would look like as a class going bow bow bow then a little dagger, if the animations would be iffy, but I have faith that they will look really really cool. Not to mention I'm really looking forward to kicking both melee and caster's asses

[ChosenOne]

i do beleive that on the offical site they mention under the how to play as section that while a ranged dps class to utilize their abilities to stop casters they need to be at close range.

Perhaps to stop their casting, but remember the damage type from the bow will involve alot of physical damage. Thats the most damaging type of damage for the lightly armored casters, plus its coming from ranged. The damage alone will be enough to make the caster stop and try to move away.

There is more then one way to stop a caster from casting, you dont always have to disrupt the spell you just have to make them stop casting. ;)

[Kaeldor]

I don't really like the looks of the highest shown tiers either, reminds me too much of late 80s ninja movies, but the rest sounds really goods. Really can't wait ot get more details about it. The three paths also look really interesting.

I'd just wouldn't be too found of having to engage casters in the "assault" range with swords, and not in the "skirmish" range with a bow to be effective. If that is really the case. One certainly could read the description like that.

But anyway, I'm really excited about this class.

[damsel]

as the title says. Im having alot of trouble wrapping my brain around this class... mostly from what i see as being visually awkward. I like the idea of going range against melee and against casters closing the gap to interupt spell casts. But really is their look appealing to people?

T1 is alright, but it just seems as each teir goes up their armor gets more... well armory, and less 'i move fast and stay in the shadows' Its kinda like a samurai a ninja and a wood elf all madea baby and the shadow warrior was his name.


-love
the visually perplexed player who cant decide on a class until he gets to really test them out in beta.

Explain the melee healer with cups all over the place and I will explain the appeal of the shadow warrior

They are, otherwise, pure awesome

Their stances and specs seem to be making a really cool archer class I am considering rolling to slay the Druchii Heathens

[Dan da Man]

They do look awesome! Awesome enough to get lots of people to change their chosen careers to shadow warrior XD. I liked them from the very beginning just because of the lore and because they are a ranged class. The new info on hte shadow warrior just further my love of the class.

[Kaeldor]

i do beleive that on the offical site they mention under the how to play as section that while a ranged dps class to utilize their abilities to stop casters they need to be at close range.

I read the info in the same way like you the first time, but if you read it closely, it doesn't say "close" range but "short" range. And "short range" is the word they use above for the "skirmish" strategy, which would mean bow. They have long (bow), short (bow), and close (sword) as range. Of course this could all just be semantics, but it would make much more sense if the SW wouldn't have to get into melee range to be effective agaisnt casters.

[Kailes]

As a Shadow Warrior, you are the tactical leader on the battlefield. You scout out the terrain and find your prey, relaying it to your group. Once in position, you will begin your assault with sniping from the back, much like the casters.

But there is a difference. While the casters are maintaining on singular targets or when to use an AoE, or at what point to heal - you are looking at the larger picture. When a Choppa breaks through and makes a run for your casters, you run in and melee. When you see some mages preping up for some nasty spells, you need to run out there and stop them. Where your opponents are, how the flow of battle is moving, these are things that are integral.

Because you don't have a singular spot on the battlefield. A melee is always on the front lines. Casters are in the back. You're both. As one of the most mobile classes, you will need to think ahead and move accordingly. You will need to know when to stay back, and when to pull out your sword. You will need to weave inbetween bow damage and melee interrupts and snares.

All while wearing a ing cloak.

[Mercer7]

As a Shadow Warrior, you are the tactical leader on the battlefield. You scout out the terrain and find your prey, relaying it to your group. Once in position, you will begin your assault with sniping from the back, much like the casters.

But there is a difference. While the casters are maintaining on singular targets or when to use an AoE, or at what point to heal - you are looking at the larger picture. When a Choppa breaks through and makes a run for your casters, you run in and melee. When you see some mages preping up for some nasty spells, you need to run out there and stop them. Where your opponents are, how the flow of battle is moving, these are things that are integral.

Because you don't have a singular spot on the battlefield. A melee is always on the front lines. Casters are in the back. You're both. As one of the most mobile classes, you will need to think ahead and move accordingly. You will need to know when to stay back, and when to pull out your sword. You will need to weave inbetween bow damage and melee interrupts and snares.

All while wearing a ing cloak.

If you're scouting, I don't think you'll be in the back of your group. If you find an orc chopper, shoot at him, don't melee him. He'll hurt you! Don't start the attack, finish it. Wait for enemies to be hurt, and then strike at them. Whether you worry about your sword damage, or total damage, or bow damage, or skirmishing, or scouting, all depends on the path you wish to take. You'd be more effective to specialize in one way of fighting rather than all three, don't you think? Lastly, where the heck did all of the above posted information come from? I've really only read the career description on the WAR site and of course the Jan. update. What did I miss?