Very Rare Curios

[Viddy]

Bitterstone Arrowhead (http://www.wardb.com/item.aspx?id=907537)
Ashlar of Eight Peaks (http://www.wardb.com/item.aspx?id=907538)
Lahmian Charm Bracelet (http://www.wardb.com/item.aspx?id=907539)
Cathayan Dragon Disc (http://www.wardb.com/item.aspx?id=907540)


anyone know where to get these on destro??

[Yvie]

Scavenging champ or greater, had most off Lord + heroes on the 20+ hard pq bosses, last dragon disk off the slayer lord.

[Geeh]

Scavenging champ or greater, had most off Lord + heroes on the 20+ hard pq bosses, last dragon disk off the slayer lord.

What he said

I do believe you can get them from normal mobs but the chances are so slim its not worth doing it for the purpose of just the curios

[Enli]

in my experience only hero/lord rank 35+ (tho i only get em from 39+)

[Kurast]

I haven't seen any of these drop from any non champion that was not rank 39-40. I have yet to see the rare version drop from anything other then a rank 39-40 hero or lord. Is there a real purpose to collecting them? Do they have special effects or attributes?

Sincerely, Kurast

[Nizaris]

I haven't seen any of these drop from any non champion that was not rank 39-40. I have yet to see the rare version drop from anything other then a rank 39-40 hero or lord. Is there a real purpose to collecting them? Do they have special effects or attributes?

Sincerely, Kurast

u can make +20's with them.

[PitbulFIN]

anyone have discovered farming spot for em(after they hotfixed deers)

[Enli]

there are ...
whistle

but still heroes rank 40 :)

[Gazden]

You can make +20's with bitterstone arrow heads?

[BadMike]

There are some hero farming spots if you venture out of the usual destro pve places.

No I'm not telling.

[warjester]

At least on my server you cant even buy these freaking things.
Wish they wernt as hard to farm.. or if they would adjust the loot-tables for Heros so you *always* scavanged something useful.

Not.. a 150 white str fragment..

[Aspecti]

Just scavenged the Lahmian Charm Bracelet off a BO champion at Healing Boon in Dragonwake, had never seen one before and was quite surprised to get it.

@Gazden, yes.

[PitbulFIN]

any confirmed spots after 1.2.1 ?

[pdxor]

any confirmed spots after 1.2.1 ?

Nothing from my spot yesterday, but only killed a few heroes. Since the drop rate wasn't high to begin with, I'm going to give it a real go this weekend and see what turns up.

[Rhissa]

Got one Arrowhead and one Ashlar post 1.2.1, one from SK, one from T4 PQ boss mob.

[Tuloski]

Got one Arrowhead and one Ashlar post 1.2.1, one from SK, one from T4 PQ boss mob.

if you go to wardb, you can see there are A LOT of good spots, but only for order :(

[Ravenborn]

Tuloski: I have noticed that aswell.. Might it be so that we on Destro side haven't found the right spots yet or is it as easy as saying that the Order side got the better drop rates for these curious.
An example:
Cathayan Dragon Disc
The Lifeless, 0.16% dr
Seems to be a boss stage 3 order pq chap 17
Bhargul the Bloodreaper, 0.15% dr
Stage 3, The Reaping Field order pq chap 21
Vhergaal the Fatebringer, 0.11% dr
Stage 4, Altar of madness order pq chap 22
Yrilec the Proud, 0.08% dr
Stage 3, Spirits of Eataine destro chap 21.

So the biggest chance as far as we know now to get this dragon disc is @ 0.08% for destro and 0.16% for order. And at a lower chapter for order.
This really does not look good for the whole Destro is equal to Order rant.

And please prove me wrong, Noone would me happier then me to be wrong about this..

[Tuloski]

And if you look at scavenging tables, you'll see a lot more of good spots.....also 1 100% chance for the arrow (white rare 200 curio).

[Mone]

Tuloski: I have noticed that aswell.. Might it be so that we on Destro side haven't found the right spots yet or is it as easy as saying that the Order side got the better drop rates for these curious.
An example:
Cathayan Dragon Disc
The Lifeless, 0.16% dr
Seems to be a boss stage 3 order pq chap 17
Bhargul the Bloodreaper, 0.15% dr
Stage 3, The Reaping Field order pq chap 21
Vhergaal the Fatebringer, 0.11% dr
Stage 4, Altar of madness order pq chap 22
Yrilec the Proud, 0.08% dr
Stage 3, Spirits of Eataine destro chap 21.

So the biggest chance as far as we know now to get this dragon disc is @ 0.08% for destro and 0.16% for order. And at a lower chapter for order.
This really does not look good for the whole Destro is equal to Order rant.

And please prove me wrong, Noone would me happier then me to be wrong about this..

Here's a link to that wardb page that is being used to get those percentages:

http://www.wardb.com/item.aspx?id=907540#dropped-by (http://www.wardb.com/item.aspx?id=907540#dropped-by)

Now here's something else to note about those numbers. Those percentages are calculated by taking the number of drops divided by the number of times that particular boss was looted. The far right column clearly shows this. Its also VERY important to note that the data on Wardb is supplied by the people who have the certain curse profiler mod, therefore only the drops reported through people with that mod will change this percentage.

Lets look side-by-side at the top Order dropper, The Lifeless, versus the top Destro dropper, Yrilec the Proud.

The Lifeless 0.16% 1 of 621
Yrelic the Proud 0.08% 1 of 1243

Anyone who knows statistics knows that these are NOT accurate comparisons at all. Lets put aside, first of all, the fact that not everyone is running the curse profiler, and lets assume that every single drop was reported to Wardb magically. If the very next time that someone killed Yrelic the Proud a Cathayan Dragon Disc was looted, that would bring the drop rate up to 2 of 1244 or 0.16% drop rate. Viola!

The data doesn't say that more of these drop on the order side versus on the destro side. Here's a few things that this data does say though:

* Bloody Sun 'Ead Basha sergeants are the most commonly killed mob that will drop this item (killed 87514 times), although they certainly aren't a viable source (only one reported drop).

* Of all the mobs on the list that have only dropped this item once, The Lifeless has been killed the fewest times, and therefore will have the highest DR of all those that have only dropped the item once, but this does NOT mean that The Lifeless is the best place to get this item.

* There are 2 mobs on the list that have dropped the item twice, the lv40 Hero Vhergaal the Fatebringer and the lv41 mob Mindless Devoted. It took 1772 kills to get 2 drops from Vhergaal versus 17751 kills needed against the Mindless Devoted that needed to be killed to get 2 to drop from them.


My suggestion would be to just farm normal and hard PQs in ch20-22 and maybe you'll get lucky on the bosses.

Order and Destro are balanced, but that's why statistics exist. To skew the perspective of two equal sides in favor of one or the other. lol.

[Tuloski]

Mone, take a look in the scavenging table.....you'll notice a huge difference.

[Mone]

Ah yes indeed, but it still doesn't show a skewing towards one side or the other. It does show that you'll see a lot of them drop from the city seige lords/heros and also from the BS/LV bosses, but those are all open to both sides. The only one that I see that *might* be unfair is Vhar'keth as he's part of a order quest. But even then, he's only been reported to be scavenged for the dragon disc 4% of the time, and its my understanding that you can't kill him over and over (he spawns when you are on a particular quest and you interact with the effigy). Its still not lobsided.

And it seemed like the original few posters were looking at the drop tables judging by the numbers. That's why I made my post based off the drop tables and not the scavenging tables.

[viralPL]

IC Heroes like Librarian, Banker, Merchant most around Monolith.
But it is hard to get to IC :D

[Mikenetic]

I had an Ashlar of Eight Peaks drop off one of the regular (champ) mobs in Sigmar's Crypt last week. I presume the Destruction equivalent (is it Bilerot?) would also be a good spot.

[futile]

And please prove me wrong, Noone would me happier then me to be wrong about this..
The place you are pulling stats from does not have anywhere near enough sampling to be statistically significant in any form, let alone to be making comparisons on a level of 1/10 of a percentage point.

[Dafft]

There's a few places I know of for rare tier10 curio's.

In Chaos Wastes, there's 2 lvl 39 hero mobs which you can scavenge. One is near the bottom of the map before you hit the bridge going over the PvP tunnel and the other is in a cave just south of him. Both mobs are on a long respawn timer.

The other 2 arein Caledor, one is a lvl 40 hero with a respawn time of around 1min but low scavenge rate - so far since I found him on Sunday Ive farmed him 20 times and only 1 blue tier 10 curio. The other was the chp 22 Normal PQ 4th stage boss.

And lifeless has turned into a champion so I doubt he'll drop tier10 curio's

[Jerichox]

is something bugged with arrowhead?
I used it for +20 and I got a +19 item while I was ~150 power of talisman...;/

[Ravenborn]

Lots of text =)


Ty for clearing that one out, Much appriciated.
Imma go with my überdps zealot and scavange sum stuff =)

[Dafft]

is something bugged with arrowhead?
I used it for +20 and I got a +19 item while I was ~150 power of talisman...;/

If you use scavanged 200 frags then you need a green tier10 or better - but if you use a salvaged 200 frag then Arrowhead works just peachy

[Jerichox]

If you use scavanged 200 frags then you need a green tier10 or better - but if you use a salvaged 200 frag then Arrowhead works just peachy

ah ok...the one from salvage is the one that says about "It may retain some power" or
you can't tell them apart? (well ofc saying that you don't remember what you salvaged xD)

[Gnome]

got Bitterstone Arrowhead (http://www.wardb.com/item.aspx?id=907537) Ashlar of Eight Peaks (http://www.wardb.com/item.aspx?id=907538) Cathayan Dragon Disc (http://www.wardb.com/item.aspx?id=907540)from "Last Stand" pq in eataine, did the PQ 20+ times Scavaging all i could, got one purple frag.

[Gnome]

I had an Ashlar of Eight Peaks drop off one of the regular (champ) mobs in Sigmar's Crypt last week. I presume the Destruction equivalent (is it Bilerot?) would also be a good spot.

dont think its Bilerot, cant scav anything down there, might be Bloodwrought Enclave.