Black Orc Popularity

[Andolar]

I was curious, for as much fanfare as there seems to be among those who claim they will choose the Black Orc as their main, I still do not see much activity on this forum.

I myself, though an avid fan of the Chosen, will also be rolling a Black Orc because it looks to be a killer fun class.

Where are all the BO fans? Has the BO class been so fully explored, explained, and detailed by Mythic that few have questions about the game mechanics for BOs? Or are people who know any of the lore, so familiar with BOs that they already know what to expect.

I just found it very surprising that even forums for classes I would IMO feel would be less popular (Squig Herder anyone?) have more posts than the BO forums.

Let's see some rally from hardcore Black Orc fans, eh? WAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!

[Doc Lumbago]

Well I guess Empire/Greenskins are the best explained factions in WAR.
Black Orc is just plain mechanic, waltzing in,engage as many foes as possible,
dont let them get at your silky clad boyz- no visible weak spots in the mechanic to ravel on about
I already saw lists of moves/Tactics flowing round the net by paople who played it during
various messes.
A Kick in the balls is still one of the favourite moves in WAR.
Guess Black orc will be most played "2nd character just for fun class"


I´m personally not that much into Tanks
Ritualist/Guild Wars, Warlock/WoW, Necromancer/Diablo
everything that can do BOOOOM special effects.

[Boulvae]

They meshed out that class so well, there are no questions left from us. It was one of their more hyped classes when they first started developing the game, but it's gonna be an alt favorite I assure you.

It follows true Orcy style to the end, get in the scrap and keep on scrappin'. Thats basically how you play it with the obvious of protecting the healers, but thats still how it works.

[Andolar]

They meshed out that class so well, there are no questions left from us. It was one of their more hyped classes when they first started developing the game, but it's gonna be an alt favorite I assure you.


Yea that's what I'm thinking too, from the screenshots, all the amazing work they've done on the greenskins overall, that people are just completely satisfied with how great the classes are going to turn out.

I'm def rolling an alt BO and if my Chosen main gets under my skin too much, I'll make BO my main in a heartbeat.

[porcu12345]

im choosing black orcs, not only because they are orcs. But they also have some of the coolest armour i've seen so far along with the coolest sounding trophys (shoulder mounted trophy racks because they have giant shoulder pads anyone) also because i love the black orc miniatures and although i don't feel they should really be tanks im sure they will balance it out well. In tabletop they never used sword and board, always either duel weild and/or 2handed weapons. tehy also get cool helmets.

[madival]

i have to agreed that the armor of the black orcs is by far the coolest i have seen and that the way they explained his style of play really would be cool because it isnt watered down its straight up survivial fighting

[Andolar]

also because i love the black orc miniatures and although i don't feel they should really be tanks im sure they will balance it out well. In tabletop they never used sword and board, always either duel weild and/or 2handed weapons.

Not that I doubt your understanding of TT given that I have never played it (though I drooled constantly over the thought of it as a kid and even now as an adult), but I would like some clarification from others. Is this statement 100% true? Did orcs in TT never use shields and if so, what was the most common tanking class on the Destro side? Were there prevalent tanking classes in TT or was it all DPS like mad, forget shields?

[NoneSuch]

Black orc hero model is using a huge-shield.

[Boulvae]

Well, it isn't an RPG, it's more of a war board game(WBG).

Basically those with sheilds had a better chance at survivng hits, and those whom dual weilded got a second attack. Also on the TT, you could give Black Orcs a sheild if you wanted to.

Heres a Black Orc Warboss, look he has a sheild: http://store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us?do=List_Models&code=305926&orignav=301036&ParentID=1254461&GameNav=13

[Andolar]

Well, it isn't an RPG, it's more of a war board game(WBG).

Basically those with sheilds had a better chance at survivng hits, and those whom dual weilded got a second attack. Also on the TT, you could give Black Orcs a sheild if you wanted to.

Heres a Black Orc Warboss, look he has a sheild: http://store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us?do=List_Models&code=305926&orignav=301036&ParentID=1254461&GameNav=13


Ah okay, so it's more a personal preference whether you give your BOs shields in TT. That makes more sense to me, and I appreciate the response!

[NoneSuch]

Naw Black Orc models suck, well atleast they did. They came only in metal for awhile.

[Boulvae]

I hate metal more so then others because of conversions (strengthens your fore-arms and hands though, i'll give it that). Everyone hates the glueing problems with metal, the only good thing about it is it's tough and so grubby hands won't likey ruin your hard work.

Plastic is still delicate in comparison.

[Zelator]

I was curious, for as much fanfare as there seems to be among those who claim they will choose the Black Orc as their main, I still do not see much activity on this forum.

I myself, though an avid fan of the Chosen, will also be rolling a Black Orc because it looks to be a killer fun class.

Where are all the BO fans? Has the BO class been so fully explored, explained, and detailed by Mythic that few have questions about the game mechanics for BOs? Or are people who know any of the lore, so familiar with BOs that they already know what to expect.

I just found it very surprising that even forums for classes I would IMO feel would be less popular (Squig Herder anyone?) have more posts than the BO forums.

Let's see some rally from hardcore Black Orc fans, eh? WAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!

probably because it's explained as a tank class with stuns/mez/debuffs to disable opponents

[Amagoi]

I think I might be in the miniority of players that will use a Black Orc as my main.. Looking forward to it too. I just wish there was more for me to talk about on BOs. Constructive wise that is, since I cna probably ramble on about how awesome I think they are rather than seriously discussing their mechanics that everyone knows.

Can't help but wonder how nice our tier 4 scrap armor is going to look.

[PersonalRiot]

Because our class is basically defined, and we have nothing to argue or fight about. Most of us BO players just sit here and wait for something to happen, and honestly, nothing is going to happen with our class until the game comes most likely.

[Desolace]

I like the "Playing dirty" style of the orcs but im not into the "Sucidalness" of the choppa so im to the BO for my main :)

[Dorian]

Not much activity on these forums I would imagine because if any others are like me; I came into the game looking for certain qualities and expectations of a class, and they were met by a specific class. For me it was Runepriest for those who reside here it was the Black Orc. Simple as that. I have a basic knowledge of Lore and how a specific class is suppose to play so I don't find a need to discuss every detail of the class down to what color I am going to dye my toon's armor.. So now I just sit back and watch the other classes rant about their chosen path i.e. good example was the recent explosion of the "Twisting" mechanic for Chosen and how bad DoK stomped on the Lore. Other then that I just read up on all the cool new tid-bits they add to my chosen path, and look forward to how well my class will play on release. With that said the RP forums is as equally mellow with few to no threads that consist of "whining".. I mean "concerns"... about the class. Much like the BO forums.

[Andolar]

It certainly feels a lot more rational and comfortable in these forums...

especially compared to the Chosen forums where quite literally the main topic of discussion is how leather boots and miniscule lore discrepencies are ruining the game for everyone...

This forum makes me happy. Maybe I'll make some friends here and roll a BO as a main :cool: stranger things have happened, though I have drooled for years at the idea of WoW releasing the Death Knight class finally because Teron Gorefiend was my absolute favorite game character for years... I have to say it's a little too late at this point, I've already lost my faith in the game's developers, and the Chosen in WAR may be the answer, but I'm kind of concerned about the bad reputation they seem to be drudging up already for being whiney drama queens. I know quite well how bad reputations affect characters, from playing a drood all the way to 3/5 T1 before the tree patch... when droods were still considered a joke and subpar healing at best. I'd rather not be a running joke, even if I don't necessarly mind what people think/say, if my class finds it impossible to get into groups for quite literally anything, it kinda defeats the fun of just being one of the guys compared to that one cruddy Chosen guy.

But we'll see, likely I'll roll both to 40 and decide at that point which I want to actually spend the most time on.

I like this forum though, that's the second time I've said that in one post :mrgreen:

[Boulvae]

Oh yes, we are rational, compare it to our "competition's" forums and you'll see a very big difference.

If you plan on making a Black Orc alt join Dah Toofz, we could use a grot like you.

As a side note, it's fun joining very pointless conversations just because. In truth I am actually hexed that my thread in the Chaos forum hasn't caused a ruckus and everyone and their dog armed to the teeth ready to skewer me for such a contreversial post. I though it'd bring in some good debates but nope, not happening, pioneer boots is the hot topics over there.

[Zellgadess]

We're da biggest... AND da meanest. Wot else is there to talk about?

[Eljewster]

Because our class is basically defined, and we have nothing to argue or fight about.

ironic....

[Dread_Knight]

Black Orcs are great, we're big meat shields that are going to use everything we can to smack you upside your head! What else could you need to know? :P

[Zellgadess]

We could have some interesting polls

How many choppa's will you bring into battle

a) Lots
b) More
c) 7
d) All of the above

Mainly I'm waiting to see what kind of Spec's there will be, I'm hoping for more snares, taunts and knockbacks.

Oh and healing, we should be able to heal 8)

[Gemini]

We could have some interesting polls

How many choppa's will you bring into battle

a) Lots
b) More
c) 7
d) All of the above


None, but I'll be bringing a shield and plenty of bashas and smashas.

[Zellgadess]

None, but I'll be bringing a shield and plenty of bashas and smashas.
Wot? Nun? But dats even less den seven? ain't it?

[peedei]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

need I say more?

BO's are the opitomy of the "meat shield" so much so we have become the "meat mountain" >:D

[Gemini]

Wot? Nun? But dats even less den seven? ain't it?

Choppa's are fa grots an' da crazy boyz, but da biggest Black Orcs know dat bashas and smashas best for smashin and bashin stunties and humies. I smash da tin-can helmets of da Ironbreaka wit me basha 'til the stunties brains come out da eye-holes.

[NoneSuch]

You's ain't no Orc, any orc worth is' tuffs likes a choppa!

[Gemini]

Come ova here and say dat to me face, ya whiney humie-lovin grot!

[NoneSuch]

I'am ova here and I'm sayin' it to yar face you 'ittle snotlin' runt.

[Zellgadess]

Oi! You boyz stop squabbling before I smash some 'eads in!

NOW CHARGE!! WAAAAAAGHHHHHH!!!

[PersonalRiot]

For da boyz! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHH!!!!!!

[Gemini]

'Dis ain't ova, NoneSuch. Soon as we get done smashin' da stunties and bashin' da humies, me and you having a 'eadbuttin contest!

[peedei]

OI! boyz! da smshaz, bashaz choppaz n slashaz ah fa shamshin, bashin, choppin n slashin da humies n stunities! I'll eet you if you kill each ova before killin dem humies n stunties

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!

[Andolar]

Well I officially give up on the Chosen forums, the people there who have the most to say that I wanna hear stay quiet because of all the rampant ... chatter going on.


Sooooooo... da ta smashas uhn choppas let da big ugly choosey ones wit da flogin glowin eyes in dat stuff inta tha greenie camp for da smashin and da brawlin an glug drinkin wit da stuntie smashas an da humie choppas?

:mrgreen:

[peedei]

I think its time i changed my Career: A Black Orc, i keep seeing chosen and im like "nooooooooooooooooo" becasue BO's is da biggest an da badest, nuff said :mrgreen:

[Zerikin Loukbel]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!! I want to get into the fight and stay there, hence the Black Orc seems to be the best choice.

[Scerce]

I was curious, for as much fanfare as there seems to be among those who claim they will choose the Black Orc as their main, I still do not see much activity on this forum...

...WAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!

You have your answer right there. Yes, Black Orcs are amazingly super awesome and badass. But there's no real need for forum activity because there are only so many times you can say WAAAAAAAAAAGH back and forth to each other before it becomes readily accepted as truth. :)

[peedei]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhh hhh!!!!!?

[PersonalRiot]

We are just far to Orcy to have discussions about this and that and would rather be off killing things. Even if we do fail our forum section animosity roll we generally get headbutted back into line by some boss and go back to the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[Malvos]

Of course it could also be that nothing really new has been said about the black orc for quite a long time and they haven't even been playable in the beta for a long time as well...

[NoneSuch]

Of course it could also be that nothing really new has been said about the black orc for quite a long time and they haven't even been playable in the beta for a long time as well...

They haven't? How do you know that?

[Bhanqwa]

They haven't? How do you know that?

That last part still belongs too the "could be" he's not claiming it's true just suggesting it might.

[Gemini]

They haven't? How do you know that?

Well, they are doing a focused beta. They told us a while before the delay they were moving to Empire vs Chaos, and last we heard they are now doing the Elves. I dunno if Greenskins have been playable inbetween then and now anytime, but it's possible they havn't been.

[Schwarzork]

Black Orcs are da biggest, strongest and the loudest creatures out there! WAAAAAAAAGH!
Currently iam just undecided as many others, which of the destruction tanks fits best to my playstyle. I hope the masteries of the black orc are not going to be boring like "the 2h-tree", "the shield tree" and "the combo tree"...that would really piss me off...

[Malvos]

They haven't? How do you know that?

They have released info stating they have been switching the races/area's that were playable during beta to isolate testing. They even recently stated they were opening up the beta with only dark elves then switching back to only empire/chaos. The beta opened as only greenies. Then if the beta trend was the same as the demo trend they added in empire/chaos.
Minimum: greenies haven't been in the game since beta was reopened.
Maximum: greenies haven't been in the game since the empire/chaos classes have been in the game.

Either way, they haven't been in the game since the addition of masteries and the tuning of the other races. Mythic appears to run in cycles. They went from greenskin to chaos to dark elves. I'm waiting on them to come back to greenskins so we can see the result of the beta testers hard work. I'm interested in whether or not they had to revamp the Black Orc and some of the other abilities and how masteries will effect the greenskin classes.

Also, the greenskins are one of the only races that we have decent skill lists for. However, if you look at them they are horribly out of date. Show me some new info and I'll show you how to make a forum active.

[Ungotz Spiketoothz]

I think the Black Orcs will be the most popular of the Destruction tankers mainly because of their fighting style, at least compared to the other 2 careers. The Chosen's twisting mechanic has been a MAJOR turn-off for many people just on these forums, and we dont really know much about the Black Guards yet.

Also, because green iz best.

[Norick13]

I am not sure if they've revised this mechanic, but are black orcs still going to grow as they get higher in level?

I was originally thinking as a chosen man, but my younger brother wants to play a gobbo so I am leaning more towards a black orc (Plus what could be more fun than beating up midgets?)

I'll dig around on the forums some too, but if anyone has a good link to some orc/greenskin lore that'd be fantastic, because my brother and I were planning on rolling on an RP server

Cheers!

[Schwarzork]

I am not sure if they've revised this mechanic, but are black orcs still going to grow as they get higher in level?

I was originally thinking as a chosen man, but my younger brother wants to play a gobbo so I am leaning more towards a black orc (Plus what could be more fun than beating up midgets?)

I'll dig around on the forums some too, but if anyone has a good link to some orc/greenskin lore that'd be fantastic, because my brother and I were planning on rolling on an RP server

Cheers!

Greenskin Lore (http://thegreenskin.com/greenskin-lore/)

And yes a interview from paul barnett confirmes that the black orc growth is still in game. Interview was made September 2007 i think, iam not sure.

[Slogo]

They have released info stating they have been switching the races/area's that were playable during beta to isolate testing. They even recently stated they were opening up the beta with only dark elves then switching back to only empire/chaos. The beta opened as only greenies. Then if the beta trend was the same as the demo trend they added in empire/chaos.
Minimum: greenies haven't been in the game since beta was reopened.
Maximum: greenies haven't been in the game since the empire/chaos classes have been in the game.

Either way, they haven't been in the game since the addition of masteries and the tuning of the other races. Mythic appears to run in cycles. They went from greenskin to chaos to dark elves. I'm waiting on them to come back to greenskins so we can see the result of the beta testers hard work. I'm interested in whether or not they had to revamp the Black Orc and some of the other abilities and how masteries will effect the greenskin classes.

Also, the greenskins are one of the only races that we have decent skill lists for. However, if you look at them they are horribly out of date. Show me some new info and I'll show you how to make a forum active.


Seems weird that they would do this. I can understand them changing the playable areas around but constantly limiting the races seems odd. Seems like they'd want to test how mixed groups interact. For example what happens if two classes from different races have a combo of abilities that really make them overpowered in a team?

I'm sure they'll eventually open it up to get this sort of testing in but it surprises me to hear that they haven't done so yet. Then again I'm sure they know what they're doing as well as anyone can.

[Norick13]

Greenskin Lore (http://thegreenskin.com/greenskin-lore/)

And yes a interview from paul barnett confirmes that the black orc growth is still in game. Interview was made September 2007 i think, iam not sure.


Having just read that stuff on the black orc it definitely makes me want to play one. The stuff about the gobbos sound really cool too, but I may wait and see if you release night goblins first = )

Thanks for the link!

[Malvos]

Seems weird that they would do this. I can understand them changing the playable areas around but constantly limiting the races seems odd. Seems like they'd want to test how mixed groups interact. For example what happens if two classes from different races have a combo of abilities that really make them overpowered in a team?

I'm sure they'll eventually open it up to get this sort of testing in but it surprises me to hear that they haven't done so yet. Then again I'm sure they know what they're doing as well as anyone can.

Remember, nothing has really been set in stone. They aren't simply testing the different zones they are testing the different races and classes as well. All the info that has been released points while the races are down they are fixing any of the problems the beta testers pointed out. So the most effective way to do this is cut off one race.. tell them to go play with the next race and keep moving around the game targeting things untill everything gets working. Then you put it all together and see how things work. Otherwise, you'll end up trying to work on too many things at once and get nothing done.

To build anything you have to make sure the parts work individually before you see if they work correctly together.

[PitDog]

I'm going to choose the black or when the game finally releases, it's going to be fun smashing stunties faces in ;)

[Saracen]

Trip people up and then break heads, what else do we need to know? :P

[Pein]

It certainly feels a lot more rational and comfortable in these forums...

especially compared to the Chosen forums where quite literally the main topic of discussion is how leather boots and miniscule lore discrepencies are ruining the game for everyone...



Although i am sliiiiightly disappointed at that statement,i will answer in good faith,although it has nothing to do with the Black Orc forums,with one question.

Just to satisfy GW?Anyway...That was one thread,not the whole forums,although i will have to agree with you that many "kids" will roll Chosen to look evil and badass.

On topic,i will make a Black Orc as well,he seems like an awesome class,and will even drop the Chosen if he's more interesting.

Waaaaaaaaaaaagh!! :P

[PersonalRiot]

Da Black Orc Horde iz coming!

[Marxon_]

I was curious, for as much fanfare as there seems to be among those who claim they will choose the Black Orc as their main, I still do not see much activity on this forum.

I myself, though an avid fan of the Chosen, will also be rolling a Black Orc because it looks to be a killer fun class.

Where are all the BO fans? Has the BO class been so fully explored, explained, and detailed by Mythic that few have questions about the game mechanics for BOs? Or are people who know any of the lore, so familiar with BOs that they already know what to expect.

I just found it very surprising that even forums for classes I would IMO feel would be less popular (Squig Herder anyone?) have more posts than the BO forums.

Let's see some rally from hardcore Black Orc fans, eh? WAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!

I don't see a problem with the black orc as far as popularity. Am I correct in saying it will be the more "pure tank" of the tanks? Sure all three tanks have great tanking ability, but if you had to match em all up the Black orc specced to be a defensive tank will probably be the true MT of a raid? If I'm wrong shoot me down now, but I think that is a lot to be said about any class. There is always a main tank fanbase for every MMo and the class it gets attracted too won't be hurting for volunteers.

[Gemini]

I don't see a problem with the black orc as far as popularity. Am I correct in saying it will be the more "pure tank" of the tanks? Sure all three tanks have great tanking ability, but if you had to match em all up the Black orc specced to be a defensive tank will probably be the true MT of a raid? If I'm wrong shoot me down now, but I think that is a lot to be said about any class. There is always a main tank fanbase for every MMo and the class it gets attracted too won't be hurting for volunteers.

I really don't think there will be a "main tank" class with the archetype system, however if there is, I don't think it will be the Black Orc. The Black Orc is described as an offensive, in-your-face style tank instead of a hide behind a shield and scream things at the bad guy.

[Eliphas-WorldBearer]

Black Orc FTW for me since sources say that the Chosen will be the most defensive tank and the BlackGuard has that hate mechanic which I dont like too. And No i wont be rolling any Order tanks...

[Korica Riftaxe]

I was debating between Chosen and Black Orcs, then I saw a screenshot and and knew that my path was the Black Orc.

He was about twice as big, and totally Orcish.

[Schwarzork]

I was debating between Chosen and Black Orcs, then I saw a screenshot and and knew that my path was the Black Orc.

He was about twice as big, and totally Orcish.

I wouldn't say big, i would say bold or something...because he is not taller than a chosen.

[Korica Riftaxe]

I wouldn't say big, i would say bold or something...because he is not taller than a chosen.

His armor fixed that.

[Tro]

because they have no GENDER

Epic Major Turn Off:mad:

[Axxar]

The black orc isn't big, he's huge.

[Korica Riftaxe]

The black orc isn't big, he's huge.

Exactly.

There's only one thing better than a Warhammer Orc.

A really big Warhammer Orc.

[Boulvae]

Only thing bigger then a really big Warhammer Orc is a Giant, and the only thing bigger then that? An Ork the size of a PLANET.

[Keron Wyrdblasta]

Only thing bigger then a really big Warhammer Orc is a Giant, and the only thing bigger then that? An Ork the size of a PLANET.

an’ da only fin’ bigga dan dat is an orc da size of a STAR
continue ad infinitum

[Sickletooth]

I dunno, it's kinda silly for anyone (I know I'm doing it myself too, silly me) to announce what they're gonna play before the game comes out and they get some good, solid info on how exactly each class will play.

Right now all anyone has is an inkling.

Someone who thinks a black orc will play like X might actually end up rolling an ironbreaker since they better fit what they want to play, or maybe someone who was wanting to roll a witch hunter ends up rolling a witch elf.

It's all up in the air right now.

[Korica Riftaxe]

Incorrect. Some of us are willing to play something regardless of how it turns out.

Black Orc may not meet my expectations, but I am not creating a Dwarf instead, and I am not playing Order. I'd try the Choppa next if a Black Orc ends up not working the way I think.

As long as its Orc, it has to be awesome.

[Sickletooth]

Incorrect. Some of us are willing to play something regardless of how it turns out.

Black Orc may not meet my expectations, but I am not creating a Dwarf instead, and I am not playing Order. I'd try the Choppa next if a Black Orc ends up not working the way I think.

As long as its Orc, it has to be awesome.

Well that just makes you stubborn (though that isn't a bad thing) and I think most people would rather be playing the class they enjoy the most than the one they THOUGHT they'd enjoy the most.

[Korica Riftaxe]

Its not the class that concerns me, its the race and faction.
The playstyle of the a Hammerer, for example, might be better suited to my tastes - but Orcs are awesome, Dwarves are not!

Another example of this train of thought would be inWorld of WarCraft, on my Orc Warrior.
I'm Axe Spec cause I like the way axes look, even though Mace Spec is statistically "superior" and would help me kill more. I just don't like the look of maces, so I refuse to ue them. Or swords for that matter. Or polearms.

[Sickletooth]

Its not the class that concerns me, its the race and faction.
The playstyle of the a Hammerer, for example, might be better suited to my tastes - but Orcs are awesome, Dwarves are not!

Another example of this train of thought would be inWorld of WarCraft, on my Orc Warrior.
I'm Axe Spec cause I like the way axes look, even though Mace Spec is statistically "superior" and would help me kill more. I just don't like the look of maces, so I refuse to ue them. Or swords for that matter. Or polearms.

I think that's a poor example simply because while mace, axe, and sword spec were indeed different (I was sword spec on my tauren) it's just a mild preference for a class but the core stays the same. A hammer not only looks different from a choppa, but it will play differently too while fulfilling the same job. An MS specced human warrior with a two-hand mace looked different from an orc warrior with a two-hand axe, but they both fulfill the same job and do it exactly the same way.

Yes, all the classes in WAR are based on archetypes and will be fulfilling the same jobs for their archetypes, but how they do those jobs are completely different.

I thiiiiink I know what you mean, though, in a sense, but I don't think many people will subscribe to that method!

[Attreyu]

I dunno, it's kinda silly for anyone (I know I'm doing it myself too, silly me) to announce what they're gonna play before the game comes out and they get some good, solid info on how exactly each class will play.

Right now all anyone has is an inkling.

Someone who thinks a black orc will play like X might actually end up rolling an ironbreaker since they better fit what they want to play, or maybe someone who was wanting to roll a witch hunter ends up rolling a witch elf.

It's all up in the air right now.

From what I understand so far, it seems the Black Orc will be real tank like. Lots of stuns/knockdowns/snares to keep people at bay while ranged/melee support take them down. Lots of armor and lots of health. Of course I know nothing about their mastery choices so I could be totally wrong, or 1/3 correct.

[Saracen]

Well that just makes you stubborn (though that isn't a bad thing) and I think most people would rather be playing the class they enjoy the most than the one they THOUGHT they'd enjoy the most.



I'm 100% certain that Black Orc will be the class I'd enjoy playing most.

And if I'm wrong, I'll never know about it, because I can never level alts.

[Schwarzork]

I for sure know, that my main character has to be a tank. It's the archtype of class i enjoy most, regardless how they turn out in release.

And how Korica Riftaxe already explained, i won't enjoy playing any order class or an other archtype as i do with destruction tanks. Only thing which could keep me away from playing Blorc is that the other two desctruction tanks are suiting my playstyle even better.
Because all three have a realy cool style and i an intressting lore behind them.

[rokema]

an’ da only fin’ bigga dan dat is an orc da size of a STAR
continue ad infinitum

wuts a *star*?

[Keron Wyrdblasta]

wuts a *star*?

You ever looked up in da sky when da big glowin ball thing ain't dere. dere's normally a load of tiny sparkly fings, each one's a star. Dey's only tiny coz deys so far away, but up close and proper dey are bigger dan da planet we'z standin on

[Korica Riftaxe]

'ho cares wot a star iz! Letz go stomp somefin!

[Saracen]

'ho cares wot a star iz! Letz go stomp somefin!


Roight! Lez go eat sum stunties

[rokema]

You ever looked up in da sky when da big glowin ball thing ain't dere. dere's normally a load of tiny sparkly fings, each one's a star. Dey's only tiny coz deys so far away, but up close and proper dey are bigger dan da planet we'z standin on

:O doz shiny bitz in da airz?

[Keron Wyrdblasta]

:O doz shiny bitz in da airz?

yup, dem shiniez in da air, nice ain't dey?

Now ya know what dey are, lets go join dem orcs and go stunty mashing!
Mmm, mashed stunty

[rokema]

yup, dem shiniez in da air, nice ain't dey?

Now ya know what dey are, lets go join dem orcs and go stunty mashing!
Mmm, mashed stunty

dank's for da info, now iz going to make sum stuntie soup!

[PersonalRiot]

You boyz ur in luck! Gotz me sum gud humies meat for sum bigga kick.

[Andolar]

Hehe, I'm really liking this Black Orc thing, maybe I'll have ... two mains and split my time between both :cool:

Plus all the videos I have seen of the Black Orc and how they move in combat are flippin' amazing!

[Dracc]

In WAR im really looking forward to playing a tank class and the black orc just looks the most badass. In WoW i never liked tank classes because they couldnt deal any damage, but in WAR im going to be a massive tank that can take a beating and smash your face in too. Black Orc just seems like the best choice to do that :p

[Necrotoxin]

Because the Black Orc is literally a tank. Hes able to take a beating, able to cause a beating, and hes the biggest. We all know bigger is better when it comes to orcs.

[Skwisgaar Skwigelf]

I was curious, for as much fanfare as there seems to be among those who claim they will choose the Black Orc as their main, I still do not see much activity on this forum.

I myself, though an avid fan of the Chosen, will also be rolling a Black Orc because it looks to be a killer fun class.

Where are all the BO fans? Has the BO class been so fully explored, explained, and detailed by Mythic that few have questions about the game mechanics for BOs? Or are people who know any of the lore, so familiar with BOs that they already know what to expect.

I just found it very surprising that even forums for classes I would IMO feel would be less popular (Squig Herder anyone?) have more posts than the BO forums.

Let's see some rally from hardcore Black Orc fans, eh? WAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!

Ive seen a ton of black orc avatars around these forums, and they seem to be the "herald" race for WAR

for further proof of greenskin popularity : http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30864

[Zaickul]

Im guessing the people who want to use a 2hander will pick a Chaos, the Black guards might be a combo of dps and tanks. Leaving the Black Orcs to be the REAL tanks for Destruction.

Im affraid the "hype" around the Chaos look will mean alot of younger players will pick this class. And youngsters want to kill stuff not tank.

Im picking a Black Orc to tank. And we all know if the tanks dont work properly the healers will moan, the dps will die and Mythic will come runing to fix us ;)

Like allways the ranged classes will be overpowered in the begining just to be tuned down, healers will prob get a boost and the dps melees will stay the same for a long time before getting tuned.

Just check the MMO's history and you will see :cool:

[Saracen]

for further proof of greenskin popularity : http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30864


It also put Dwarves as the most popular Order race. Keep in mind that this forum really isn't a good indication of what the overall WAR population will be like. Most people on these boards are more immune to the 'I want to be x-general-concept-of-badass/cool' then most. That means there will be more orcs/dwarves because even though they're ugly, their class layouts are very nice and they have their own kind of badassery that can't really be gotten from a character customization screen alone:P

[jaz]

I'm looking forward to playing a Black Orc, in other MMO's I have always been a DPS dealing class or a healing class, so I am looking forward to being the tank.

-jaz

[Meelahd]

Im guessing the people who want to use a 2hander will pick a Chaos, the Black guards might be a combo of dps and tanks. Leaving the Black Orcs to be the REAL tanks for Destruction.

Im affraid the "hype" around the Chaos look will mean alot of younger players will pick this class. And youngsters want to kill stuff not tank.

Im picking a Black Orc to tank. And we all know if the tanks dont work properly the healers will moan, the dps will die and Mythic will come runing to fix us ;)

Like allways the ranged classes will be overpowered in the begining just to be tuned down, healers will prob get a boost and the dps melees will stay the same for a long time before getting tuned.

Just check the MMO's history and you will see :cool:

I believe if you are looking for "the real tank" in terms of the defense its chosen not the black orc. So you might want to reconsider what class you are choosing.

[Saracen]

I believe if you are looking for "the real tank" in terms of the defense its chosen not the black orc. So you might want to reconsider what class you are choosing.


That may be true from a gameplay perspective, but we can be pretty much certain that there will be more Chosen who think they're dps classes then Black Orcs for the hype reason Zaickul just gave.

(I know that I for one am going defense specced)

[Marcellius]

I like the idea of a black orc being able to survive. And by "survive," I don't mean hold aggro against a big angry NPC while 24 other people wail on it. I mean I want to literally wade through 2s and 3s of enemy players, bashing heads and making their lives a living hell for coming near me. I want to be the thing everyone points at and goes "Take it down!" so that my Choppa crew can lunge into the enemy ranks and really break them, while shamans fling off their heals and spells from somewhere behind me. I also want to be able to go "Oh no you don't!" and bash some fool dwarf on his rump for trying to take me on one-to-one.

I wanna be big.

[Yatz]

I'll be going a pretty full defense spec for both PvE and PvP with my Black Ork. I'll be involved in both and hey, Someones got to protect da ittle gobs eh? Through PvE and RvR.

I see alot of people personally for first think they want to play a Black Orc but end up deciding on a Chaos instead. Thats fine, but for me, Black Orc all the way.

I'll probably end up making a Shaman as well, but play him through the Chaos or Dark Elf zone to take in everything those have to offer. I love playing a Healer/Dps Hybrid in other MMO's and the Shaman will be no exception.

[FearPeteySodes]

I just love the idea of actually being able to tank in PVP. No other game i have played has done this really, its been "oh your a tank? The dungeon is that way stupid!"

My PVP obsession mixed with my love for tank classes has caused me nothing but pain. All hail WAR, my savior!

[Malis]

Ill be playing a tank and ill going full Def spec for PvP......provided it actually works

[Xeraxus]

Love for Orcs + Tanking usefull in PvP = I'm playing a Black Orc! I don't think there's much more to it than that. No sofisticated reasoning at all.

[Slice]

I'm right here! He, along with a Sorceress, will be my main alt. <3 Throwing back squishy allies.

[Dread_Knight]

While I agree with almost EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMNED POST IN THIS THREAD BECAUSE BLACK ORCS ARE AWESOME

I don't think it's gonna be like this at release, it's a trend that everyone rolls dps classes and tanks get left to rot :<

But still

BLACK

ORCS

FOR

THE

WIN

P.S. Yes, I felt caps were neccasary to attempt and fail to display how awesome black orcs actually are...

Right in the jibbles!

[Spikey]

So far the black orc seems to be pretty defensive compared to the other two tanks and I really wanted to play a 2handed offensive tank (At least for PvP, PvE obviously not). I can't bring myself to not play an Orc though, the other two races don't have anywhere near as much character.

Here's to hoping the mastery trees are pretty kickass!

[Gemini]

What gives you the idea that Black Orcs are defensive tanks? Mythic has described them as offensive, and it makes sense considering their tanking style is to run into battle and start cracking skulls. I don't really see what's defensive about it...

[Spikey]

I just got the impression they were more a defensive tank than offensive. A lot of the listed skills were to reduce damage taken, or to defer damage or stop the enemy dealing so much.

Not that I mind if I'm wrong, I would prefer it. It was just the impression I got.

[Malis]

What gives you the idea that Black Orcs are defensive tanks? Mythic has described them as offensive, and it makes sense considering their tanking style is to run into battle and start cracking skulls. I don't really see what's defensive about it...

When people say defensive tanks, i think they mean they will take hits better than and less DPS than say a swordmaster. Honestly i think alot of people who want to do DPS tanking, will find themselves as either a swordmaster, Black guard, or chosen.

[NoneSuch]

That be kinda funny, As the Chosen is the most defensive of the Destruction classes :p

I'm still not sure where this "Black Orc is defensive" are coming from, all tank classes should have abilities which help allies - they are tanks afterall.

But compare the Black Orc's Chaining attacks and building combo points while using dirty fighting like kicking the enemies in the balls to Chosen's Aurau abilitiys, Which one sounds more offensive to you? :p

[Gemini]

I just got the impression they were more a defensive tank than offensive. A lot of the listed skills were to reduce damage taken, or to defer damage or stop the enemy dealing so much.

All tanks have those sorts of skills, but most of those skills are melee attacks, thats what makes it offensive. They take the iniative and get in there choppin' and bashin' and kicking and headbutting to protect his allies. They probably don't have the highest damage output, but they style is very offensive.

[Slice]

I believe if you are looking for "the real tank" in terms of the defense its chosen not the black orc. So you might want to reconsider what class you are choosing.
Actually, the Chosen will be spending 0-100% of his time twisting auras. If you wanna go pure defensive, Black Guard is the way to go.

[pajamajam]

Actually, the Chosen will be spending 0-100% of his time twisting auras. If you wanna go pure defensive, Black Guard is the way to go.

Why does everyone think that certain classes tank better then other classes. And it is not dependent on the way that they master? I don't see why the Chosen won't be able to be similar in tanking ability to the black Orc. And everyone is comparing the chant twists to eq bards and minstrels from daoc. I think everyone should spec 0 points into the chant line as a chosen just to piss people off.

I hope that every TANK class can actually TANK. Otherwise the title would be kind of pointless.

[Shogun]

They are probably the most detailed class they have shown so far. I don't know though, I think there will be more choppas, but i'm fine with that. Black orc looks like loads of fun

[Slice]

Why does everyone think that certain classes tank better then other classes. And it is not dependent on the way that they master? I don't see why the Chosen won't be able to be similar in tanking ability to the black Orc. And everyone is comparing the chant twists to eq bards and minstrels from daoc. I think everyone should spec 0 points into the chant line as a chosen just to piss people off.

I hope that every TANK class can actually TANK. Otherwise the title would be kind of pointless.
Because they have auras, which can be 'twisted'. By choosing to ignore that fact, you're not achieving your maximum potential, so he won't be able to be similar in tanking ability to the Black Orc without twisting auras often enough.

[Krylzay]

Characters are different, that is the base of Warhammer. Each with its own strengths and weaknesses. Based on your playing style one tank will be the best for you simply because they play differently. You need to watch out to cover your weaknesses and take every chance you have to exploit your enemies weaknesses with your own strengths.

[Mercer]

I'll be taking a Black Orc as my main, it sounds like it will be a lot of fun all round.

[CaptainAwesome]

Black Orcs will be very popular because of these facts

-they are mean
-they are green
-they have combo building
-they can be seen as a more offensive tank
-may be more effective at absorbing physical damage compared to BG and Chosen
-WAAAGH

my 2 Awesomes

[craptacular]

The least active forum is the Choppa, which makes no sense to me!

Seems like such a loveable class, although maybe it's so simple no-one has anything to say about it :P

Black Orc will definitely be an alt of mine btw

[Circasurvive]

meatshield 4tw nuff said

[Gortusk]

I'm stoked about playing a Tank that can actually use his abilities in PvP instead of having to leave half of them in the PvE realm (i.e. WoW). And because of this, the BO seems like such an annoying class to have to deal with for Order... I can't wait.

[Munthalk]

I'm a long time healer in WoW, sitting there spending my time clicking heals on the tanks. as soon as I heard of Tanks being used in PvP in Warhammer online I instantly hopped on the Black Ork bandwagon.

So far I haven't even thought of using any other tank class because everything I here being added on to the Black Ork class makes me want to play it some more. Hopefully it will meet my expectations. As far as an Alt I'm not going to worry about one for a long time.

[pajamajam]

Because they have auras, which can be 'twisted'. By choosing to ignore that fact, you're not achieving your maximum potential, so he won't be able to be similar in tanking ability to the Black Orc without twisting auras often enough.

What if you played an EQ bard and you can tank and twist auras effectively. Wouldn't that make your tanking ability similar to the Black Orc? Or are you assuming that everyone sucks at twisting? Since we do not know what extent of twisting is required we really cannot come to a conclusion.

I don't think that Mythic wants to put labels on classes, otherwise it ruins the whole mastery system.. If the BG is the damage dealer and Chosen is the bard and BO is in the middle that would make the mastery path system kinda loopy.

[Under_World]

I'll be rolling some kind of Heavy Tank, I'm leaning to BO at the moment and waiting on Black Guard info. (Hatred anyone?)

As far as populaity goes... initially I don't see Greenskins being a heavily played army. If we get an OP class, Choppa would be my guess, you could see the pop spike. Barring that though, Elven and Human races are going to blow Dorfs/Greenies out of the water.

Functionally speaking I forsee BO's being similar to Midgard Warriors. They were always respectable, good lines, good armor, decent damage...

I forsee a 2H Line, a Shield Line, and one more ?. (Combo/Debuff line would be my guess)

Smashin! - Blockin! - n'Thrashin!

[Gorrr]

Black Orcs will be very popular because of these facts

-they are mean
-they are green
-they have combo building
-they can be seen as a more offensive tank
-may be more effective at absorbing physical damage compared to BG and Chosen
-WAAAGH

my 2 Awesomes


Ye forgot to add that they also have a "kick-in-the-nuts" finisher.

No wonder there won't be many dwarfs out on the battlefields cough cough cough

[Stiltzkin]

Black orcs look awesome. That's what I think the draw is lol. Scrap metal armor and GIANT shields is the way a tank should look. I think the draw is that they will be the tank that has the most CC. the focus of BG is damage the focus of Chosen is buffs and deuffs and the focus of BO is "right-in-the-jibbles" Plus they're always the big boss and who doesn't want to be the big boss?

[Malis]

Black orcs look awesome. That's what I think the draw is lol. Scrap metal armor and GIANT shields is the way a tank should look. I think the draw is that they will be the tank that has the most CC. the focus of BG is damage the focus of Chosen is buffs and deuffs and the focus of BO is "right-in-the-jibbles" Plus they're always the big boss and who doesn't want to be the big boss?

I love the look of the BO, more than any other career. Im gonna try the BO out in beta. Im liking the mechanics of the class, so ill be trying it out and the chosen to make sure which one of those i want to main.

[Under_World]

I'm waiting to see if Black Guard and their Hatred ability pan out, but I've dropped chosen as a possible choice.

Aura chants turn me off towards them.

[Malis]

I'm waiting to see if Black Guard and their Hatred ability pan out, but I've dropped chosen as a possible choice.

Aura chants turn me off towards them.

hehe, im actually looking forward to finding out if you can actually twist the auras.

[Shadow_Raven]

i think black orks will be one of the most used classes because they just dont die lol
and kick-in-the-nuts is so funny lol

[Captbigbeard]

Personally after what I've seen, I dunno why anyone would wanna be a choppa over a black orc. decked out in freakin awesome armor, not to mention they tend to be the leaders of the orc world.

Hey greenskins, who do you have to thank for the black orcs... oh thats right us dwarfs :D?

[Under_World]

Choppas will do more damage than Black Orcs, thats a fact. And since both classes will be all about getting kill spam...

I honestly wanted to play a BO but I just don't think I'll be happy with it over a Choppa.

Berserkers in DAoC were crazy good for a long long time and I always wished I had been on the Light Tank bandwagon since the begining.

[Gemini]

Hey greenskins, who do you have to thank for the black orcs... oh thats right us dwarfs :D

Ah, the irony. The death machines that shall bring upon the demise of the Dwarfs were amde by Dwarfs.

[ll Monsters ll]

Personally after what I've seen, I dunno why anyone would wanna be a choppa over a black orc. decked out in freakin awesome armor, not to mention they tend to be the leaders of the orc world.

Hey greenskins, who do you have to thank for the black orcs... oh thats right us dwarfs :D?

A valid point to your opinion of orc choices, I will probably play both. The choppa's appeal, at least for me, is his sheer reckless attitude, he seems to embody the "rage" persona of the greenskins more completely than a black orc. Black orcs' increased girth, armor, and *cough" intelligence gives them more of a "mean" persona.

And we do not have to thank you dwarfs for anything except for giving us the best fights in town, the black orcs were spawned by your zaki chaos cousins.

[Captbigbeard]

A valid point to your opinion of orc choices, I will probably play both. The choppa's appeal, at least for me, is his sheer reckless attitude, he seems to embody the "rage" persona of the greenskins more completely than a black orc. Black orcs' increased girth, armor, and *cough" intelligence gives them more of a "mean" persona.

And we do not have to thank you dwarfs for anything except for giving us the best fights in town, the black orcs were spawned by your zaki chaos cousins.

Good point. Choppas are the crazy launch themselves at walls party orcs, Black orcs are the mean evil warlord types.

[Ilneval]

Black orcs is da biggest an da meanest........seriously they are what an orc warrior should be in my humble opinion