Why I believe Black Guard info is delayed

[Thoroar]

It's purely cosmetical.

I mean, really. How do you make the black guard look less awesome (in lower tiers) and make him look more awesome (in tier 4 and above)?

:D

[Familiar]

They managed to do it for the Chosen...


...and the Marauder



...and the Shadow Warrior



...and so on

[ChosenOne]

Actually they took out blackguards totally.

They are going make another temple of khaine class. The Executioner.

It's mechanic will be bloodfury.



General Statement: This is not NDA breaking

[Ikem]

If they scrap Black Guard i'm rolling a warrior priest then

[Slash]

It's purely cosmetical.

I mean, really. How do you make the black guard look less awesome (in lower tiers) and make him look more awesome (in tier 4 and above)?

:D

I disagree with this. I highly doubt that the delay is based solely (if at all) on the cosmetics of the Black Guard. Mythic has tremendous artists. And truth be told, I would be very concerned if they were unable to produce respectable visuals for each tier of the Black Guard.

I would be even more concerned if they chose to omit the BG at this stage because they could not produce decent artwork. I will assume this notion was teeming with sarcasm :mrgreen:.

[Sinfjotle]

I dunno about that Slash, have you seen the Everqueen?

[dutch_gamer]

I dunno about that Slash, have you seen the Everqueen?

The art of the Everqueen is entirely different to that of other art of Mythic, so chances are the Everqueen art isn't directly from Mythic. The same thing applies to Engra Deathsword, so why not the Everqueen? So I will have to agree with Slash that is it is highly improbable that art to in-game model translation would be the thing that is holding up the Black Guard or even coming up with lower Tier armor. Case in point are the pictures of Dark Elf NPCs who do have lower looking Tier armor, the Black Guard has a lot in common with. So no, I really doubt the art is the issue with the Black Guard delay. It more than likely has to do with the combat mechanic of the Black Guard than anything else. Combat was the reason for every other career which has seen a delay.

[8igdave]

Its most probably to do with the hate mechanisms andn tryign to get it balanced. Yet they let you using the dwaf one?

DE was probably done last though.

[Doc Lumbago]

about the Everqueen: to me it seems the quality of WAR´s artwork seems to vary.
just compare Disciple/Warrior Priest to Archmage.
what we look at is not necessarily meant to be breathtaking art but to let the Mythics Tech guys have an impression of how the warhmmer world looks/feels like.

If you look at the lower Chosen Tiers you get a good expression of what a Tier 1 BG looks like No helmet, less extraordinary look, less spikes, moderate armour

and I don´t think the BG will be replaced by Executioners.
These guys are more like armoured Witch elves, in for the kill not for protection or soaking damage.

[Doc Lumbago]

By the way Executioners are damn cool
Swordswinging Elegant Goth Terminators

If anyone can make out a fith Archetype that fits the Executioner
– call Mythic:mrgreen:

[Zunjin]

Actually I think that concept art on a noble npc looks alot better then the soloey picture we got on a black guard. If they happen to make higher tier black guard equal or better to that noble I will be amazed.

[Mercer7]

Actually they took out blackguards totally.

They are going make another temple of khaine class. The Executioner.

It's mechanic will be bloodfury.

General Statement: This is not NDA breaking

You're stating that it's fact that Blackguards aren't in the game when the website lists Blackguards as being in the game.

Give the source please, clearly I am missing something. Definitely missing the joke if that's what that was. :cool:

[8igdave]

think hes joking. from what ive seen, its not like chosenone to just randomly talk crap lol.

[Grondscar]

I think we might be overthinking, they have to release a classes info last and it may well be be the Blackguard.

[Vahris]

I have grown very attached to Black Guard even with the lack of info, so I hope they weren't removed... But I do trust Mythic and their art team. Every class has looked stunning so far, so I have n odoubt that, if they did remove them, the replacement class will look just as good or better.

[Senjo]

I have grown very attached to Black Guard even with the lack of info, so I hope they weren't removed... But I do trust Mythic and their art team. Every class has looked stunning so far, so I have n odoubt that, if they did remove them, the replacement class will look just as good or better.

I agree, I am also really looking forward to see what these guys have to offer. Although, I really doubt they'll be removed. With pictures of their tier weaponry and shields to boot, they'll definitely be here to stay. :D

[Mercer7]

I don't even like dark elves, and I have no interest in playing as one... with the exception of the black guard.

He's holding a large weapon and carrying an equally large one. Why, I wonder, did they post THAT picture on the official site? Because they wanted us to see the awesomeness of this career. Best for last?

[Senjo]

You know it.

[Zether]

I will play the DE tank class regardless. Maybe they did scrap the Bg for the Executioner, perhaps like he said for another Khaine class, and perhaps because female executioners fit the lore better than the female Bg. Just hurry the frig up and tell us something, anything ....

[Gemini]

I have grown very attached to Black Guard even with the lack of info, so I hope they weren't removed... But I do trust Mythic and their art team. Every class has looked stunning so far, so I have n odoubt that, if they did remove them, the replacement class will look just as good or better.

I really, really doubt they scrapped the Black Guard. I can see them changing or even scrapping the Hatred mechanic for something else, but that's no reason to destroy all the work already done on the class. A Black Guard with a different mechanic won't need different weapons, armor, or certain design philosophies, a lot of things would stay. Not to mention the backstories would have to be changed too, since they put a lot of focus on the playable classes.

Plus, honestly, the Executioners as a tank is a huge stretch, they'd only really fit melee dps imo. And Cold One Knights are out since we have no mounted combat, at least at release. What else could there be but the Black Guard?

[Vahris]

Yeah I don't think they would be replaced... But I do hope they take another look at the Hatred mechanic, whether they change the class or not. I can see that totally sucking for PVP. Everyone would just ignore you:(

Let's hope that is the reason for the lack of information... Like I said in another forum, I was hoping someone would ask about Black Guard in that Dev Chat that had recently over at Warcry, but oh well: /

[Gemini]

Let's hope that is the reason for the lack of information... Like I said in another forum, I was hoping someone would ask about Black Guard in that Dev Chat that had recently over at Warcry, but oh well: /


People did, but none of them got answered, sadly. However, this month's grabbag is all about Dark Elves I think, so maybe we'll get some answers.

[Vahris]

People did, but none of them got answered, sadly. However, this month's grabbag is all about Dark Elves I think, so maybe we'll get some answers.

Actually I think this month's GrabBag is about Keeps and RVR. That's what it says over at Warhammer Vault...

[iCanada]

Actually I think this month's GrabBag is about Keeps and RVR. That's what it says over at Warhammer Vault...


Well... we could ask how BG's affect RvR etc..

For example: How well do blackguards scale in RvR? Wills tanks such as The BG play vital roles we have not been seen yet?

Etc.

[Titus Legion]

Blackguard.. Executioner, either one is fine for me. They are all super armoured Dark Elves with killy weapons anyway! If anything I can see them changing from Black Guard simply because they don't want Blackguard and Black Orc to overlap in their naming convention. I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up renaming the Witch Hunter either.

It'd be nice if they left the BG in though, especially with their affinity to halberds and spears, iirc no other class in the game picks those - executioners would just use swords, like quite a few other classes. Keep the pole-arm using class, it improves the diversity!

[Dyst]

I sure hope they don't switch Hatred with something else. It is such a great mechanic with huge opportunities, a counter to the negative sides of being attacked. The more I've thought it through the more positive sides I've seen.

[Schwarzork]

Just think about skills which require an emtpy hate bar, which are realy powerful, so that your pvp enemies have to decide if they ignore you and get into real problems or if they give you hate...

[Newber]

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[Thoroar]

I knew it!

After all this time, they could only manage to create ONE other picture of a lower tier Black Guard!

Oh well, maybe next month!

[iCanada]

I knew it!

After all this time, they could only manage to create ONE other picture of a lower tier Black Guard!

Oh well, maybe next month!

Rofl..

So perhaps you were right!

[Bigaus]

Yeah I don't think they would be replaced... But I do hope they take another look at the Hatred mechanic, whether they change the class or not. I can see that totally sucking for PVP. Everyone would just ignore you:(

Let's hope that is the reason for the lack of information... Like I said in another forum, I was hoping someone would ask about Black Guard in that Dev Chat that had recently over at Warcry, but oh well: /

Not if the abilities you can use at a low or 0% hate level are super powerful. Playing a class that has more powerful abilities when ignored could be a lot of fun.

[Gemini]

Not if the abilities you can use at a low or 0% hate level are super powerful. Playing a class that has more powerful abilities when ignored could be a lot of fun.

Have you considered playing an Ironbreaker? :P

[Delolith]

Not if the abilities you can use at a low or 0% hate level are super powerful. Playing a class that has more powerful abilities when ignored could be a lot of fun.

Isn't hatred the mechanism that gives Black Guards DPS and powerful abilities? Then how could they possibly have super powerful moves when at 0% hatred and when they have hatred. Then what is the point of hatred and what is the point of actually wanting to increase your hatred....I am sorry but it does not make any sense to me...don't know about the rest of you guys. Except if you mean that these super powerful moves become even more powerful with hatred build which I don't think this is the direction you are pointing at and which would have serious balance problems imo.

Delolith

[Doc Lumbago]

2 months ago I thought they´re holding the BG behind because they don´want to shoot all their ammo months before release to keep the tension high.
but the BG isn´t in Beta so I think there´s one or two major bugs and the programmers are rereading miles of Code while we`re discussing SERIOUS matters like can I dual-wield?:mrgreen:
remember the bonus video of March 2007?
http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/podcast/
that could be the real meaning of Hatred mechanic. maybe they have to scream at the BG for about another 2 months ago to get the guy going.