The Horrible Hump Of Doom

[Lucrece]

For anyone who's watched the new gamespot videos, be sad. That terrible hump WE's take is still in.

Now, in for a review of the videos:

- The WE player had no idea about what he/she was doing. It was pretty underwhelming to be unable to get a feel of the class because of someone's incompetence, while Marauder players got a nice feel for their class.

- The Elf models, with the exception of the Disciples, look horrible. The hairstyles are neat, but the faces and bodies look emaciated. By comparison, the HE's looked pretty neat. The shadow hunters looked plain sexy.

- The DE attires were incredibly bland, particularly the WE's.

Nevertheless, the elves footage made me pretty happy. The areas look pretty neat.

[Lord Tareq]

Hmm I can't really agree. I think the Dark Elf models look excellent. The pose the witch elf takes on might not be flattering, but it isn't really annoying to me either. Still, they should change it. The faces and bodies seem quite allright.
Still, everything can use some more polishing, but thats why its a beta after all.

I agree and disagree about the attires, yes they looked bland but these were starting characters. Remember how WoW (or whatever other mmorpg you played, if any) characters looked when they were lvl 1, WAR's characters look spectacularly overdressed by comparison.

[KnuckleBallz]

i didnt like the npc mobs but who cares, RvR is the awesomeness

[Lucrece]

Hmm I can't really agree. I think the Dark Elf models look excellent. The pose the witch elf takes on might not be flattering, but it isn't really annoying to me either. Still, they should change it. The faces and bodies seem quite allright.
Still, everything can use some more polishing, but thats why its a beta after all.

I agree and disagree about the attires, yes they looked bland but these were starting characters. Remember how WoW (or whatever other mmorpg you played, if any) characters looked when they were lvl 1, WAR's characters look spectacularly overdressed by comparison.


There was a clear difference in attire detail between the Disciple and Witch Elf. The Witch Elf looked positively dull.

Edit: By the way, why is the WE wearing cloth? That is not consistent with the concept art. I would expect at least armored leather.

[Xurré]

Edit: By the way, why is the WE wearing cloth? That is not consistent with the concept art. I would expect at least armored leather.
link (http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/DarkElves/Careers/images/WElfie_0907_02.jpg)


- Xurré

[Lucrece]

link (http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/DarkElves/Careers/images/WElfie_0907_02.jpg)


- Xurré

I see some leather in there ;p.

[Endless]

I'm more interested in the dual wielding dark elf along with her doing all the work! Is that a Disciple then? All the concepts we've seen for them show them using a sword and a scepter of some sort, i suppose it's not inconceivable for them to use two swords. Or maybe it's an npc or something.? Intriguing.

Also something that's intriguing is a Marauder doing what looks like capturing one of the old battlefield objectives. This proves several points for me, 1 things are in the game WAY before non-beta people get to see them. And secondly any 'previews' from magazines and such a so far outdated that they're continuously running the risk of making people think the game is no-where near completion.

[Lucrece]

I'm more interested in the dual wielding dark elf along with her doing all the work! Is that a Disciple then? All the concepts we've seen for them show them using a sword and a scepter of some sort, i suppose it's not inconceivable for them to use two swords. Or maybe it's an npc or something.? Intriguing.

Also something that's intriguing is a Marauder doing what looks like capturing one of the old battlefield objectives. This proves several points for me, 1 things are in the game WAY before non-beta people get to see them. And secondly any 'previews' from magazines and such a so far outdated that they're continuously running the risk of making people think the game is no-where near completion.


Yes, that was a Disciple.

One thing that captured my attention in the videos was how quicly a Marauder dispatched a Shadow Warrior. I really hope that such quick kills done by MDPS are outdated.

[Danceswithgravy]

*cough * is beta *cough*

[VanCrackin]

Yea. That dark elf video looked awful. : /

[Lucrece]

*cough * is beta *cough*

*cough* beta does not guarantee full revamps *cough*

[Foofmonger]

*cough* beta does not guarantee full revamps *cough*

It was a tier 1 Witch Elf who could barely play the game... whats the problem again?

I don't think its a problem with the class really. If I were to go watch a WoW video of a level 5 warrior who couldn't even walk into melee range to attack (which I have, it was me teaching my girlfriend to play WoW), I would be really underwhelmed too.

[Wurrok]

One thing that captured my attention in the videos was how quicly a Marauder dispatched a Shadow Warrior. I really hope that such quick kills done by MDPS are outdated.

I never saw a shadow warrior, are you sure there was one? Oh but I agree with your last sentence.
Was the lighting effects on in the new videos? To be perfectly honest the dark elf video looked like DAoC to me, I hope "it's only beta" is true.

[Lucrece]

It was a tier 1 Witch Elf who could barely play the game... whats the problem again?

I don't think its a problem with the class really. If I were to go watch a WoW video of a level 5 warrior who couldn't even walk into melee range to attack (which I have, it was me teaching my girlfriend to play WoW), I would be really underwhelmed too.

Who says I was talking about the player when I made that comment? I acknowledge in my OP, if you read it, that the player behind the WE was horrible.

The comment I was responding to referred, or so I perceived, to the graphics issue I am discussing in here. It is a truly pitiful excuse when people want to shut down animation/graphics critiques with the whole sad "it's only in beta" justification. As I said, beta does not guarantee noticeable changes all the time. Beta is also designed for feedback so that they know what to look into.

[Lucrece]

I never saw a shadow warrior, are you sure there was one? Oh but I agree with your last sentence.
Was the lighting effects on in the new videos? To be perfectly honest the dark elf video looked like DAoC to me, I hope "it's only beta" is true.

Yup, see those big bows on their backs and the green capes? That's Shadow Warrior material. They look great.

[Axxar]

Hmm I can't really agree. I think the Dark Elf models look excellent. The pose the witch elf takes on might not be flattering, but it isn't really annoying to me either. Still, they should change it.I agree the witch elf's combat stance looks a bit awkward. Her attacks look fluid enough, though.

[Wurrok]

Yup, see those big bows on their backs and the green capes? That's Shadow Warrior material. They look great.

Ah yeah, sorry I hadn't watched the interview yet. I'd know a shadow warrior if I saw one;).

[KnuckleBallz]

*cough* beta does not guarantee full revamps *cough*



Robitusin.....

[Lucrece]

Robitusin.....

Wrong.

Riccola~

[Wurrok]

I have a cough irl :(

[Rokhead]

dont rule out the possibility that the WE took the starting equipment off.

[Slash]

One thing that captured my attention in the videos was how quicly a Marauder dispatched a Shadow Warrior. I really hope that such quick kills done by MDPS are outdated.

I agree. I too was a little concerned with how quickly the Marauders slaughtered their prey. At that rate there, it would appear if you have two people attacking you at a given time not even a healer could help you (especially if you were RDPS).

However, it is beta, things could change. I will hold my reservations till launch and if these problems still exist; it wont make for happy people.

Yup, see those big bows on their backs and the green capes? That's Shadow Warrior material. They look great.

They look totally badarse. I cant believe I said that about a Asur......

[Zakiya]

dont rule out the possibility that the WE took the starting equipment off.

1:22 into the interview you can see the character screen of a WE, it could be a different one to the one thats fighting but its doubtful considering she looks exactly like that one, and she only has a chest piece on.

[Kharlene]

I agree that the WE vid was just downright horrible. THAT is not what you want to serve as a representation for a class perspective. I didn't mind how she looked, what I minded was how terribly the player played the class, the person could barely even did 2 or 3 attacks in the vids entirety, the majority of the time they spent bunny hopping like an idiot, I was almost to the point of screaming at my monitor, "STOP JUMPING AND ATTACK, YOU RETARD!!!"... yeesh... :rolleyes:


... everything else I didn't mind all that much, though... :mrgreen:

[Walker]

The marauder in the video just ran through that shadow warrior lol i mean he was attacking another before the SW finished falling to the ground. Interesting...

[Fruitpunch]

For anyone who's watched the new gamespot videos, be sad. That terrible hump WE's take is still in.

Now, in for a review of the videos:

- The WE player had no idea about what he/she was doing. It was pretty underwhelming to be unable to get a feel of the class because of someone's incompetence, while Marauder players got a nice feel for their class.

- The Elf models, with the exception of the Disciples, look horrible. The hairstyles are neat, but the faces and bodies look emaciated. By comparison, the HE's looked pretty neat. The shadow hunters looked plain sexy.

- The DE attires were incredibly bland, particularly the WE's.

Nevertheless, the elves footage made me pretty happy. The areas look pretty neat.

I agree the Witch Elves need some touching up. The Sorcress looks like it is coming along nicely though.

[Zoatibix]

I thought the De models were okay animationwise. Certainly preferred them to the Marauder. Gear looks like generic starting gear, so 'meh' it looks bad.

I actually like the WEs fighting stance. She has her weight on her back foot and her knives out ready to attack or defend.

Pity the person playing her didn't have a clue what they were doing. My cat could probably have given a better account of himself...

[Shalaa]

I agree that the WE vid was just downright horrible. THAT is not what you want to serve as a representation for a class perspective. I didn't mind how she looked, what I minded was how terribly the player played the class, the person could barely even did 2 or 3 attacks in the vids entirety, the majority of the time they spent bunny hopping like an idiot, I was almost to the point of screaming at my monitor, "STOP JUMPING AND ATTACK, YOU RETARD!!!"... yeesh... :rolleyes:


... everything else I didn't mind all that much, though... :mrgreen:

All that shouting at the monitor means.... you just cant wait to play and loose off some agression and anger at them Asur :p

[Zunjin]

I was almost to the point of screaming at my monitor, "STOP JUMPING AND ATTACK, YOU RETARD!!!"... yeesh... :rolleyes:




Hahaha. Exactly the same as me :p

[Tro]

Yup, see those big bows on their backs and the green capes? That's Shadow Warrior material. They look great.
link the video you saw

[Foofmonger]

Honestly, any more vids of completely terrible players and I am going to puke. I don't want to watch people who have never played MMOs try to figure out how to work a fairly standard combat system.

Learn 2 get into melee range when using a melee char ftw.

[Slash]

Honestly, any more vids of completely terrible players and I am going to puke. I don't want to watch people who have never played MMOs try to figure out how to work a fairly standard combat system.

Learn 2 get into melee range when using a melee char ftw.

QFT. Surely they can compile a video a little more entertaining than somebody rolling their head across their keyboard.

[Xurré]

I just had a horrible thought...

Maybe they're jumping around like that because jumping gives some kind of benefit. Even if this is just in PvP and the player is just so used to it that they're doing it in PvE too.


- Xurré

[Zoatibix]

Witch Elf special move: Jiggle. :shock:

[serenityx]

so far i'm extreamly disapointed with witch elfs. The fighting stance looks soo bad and it will anoy me ingame, there is no good footage with a skilled witch elf and they look kinda slow compaired to maraurder. I'm seriously considering being a maraurder

[Aelthurian Elthrai]

The Witch Elf stance may be a good irl combat stance, but aesthetically it's very ugly (for me anyway) which is kinda the antithesis of what the WE are about. As the combat doesn't actually have to be all that realistic, they could have used a much more seductive stance - eg smooth feline movements, with fast attacks based on speed rather than strength. Kinda like their portrayal in the cinematic. As it stands, they seem too aggressive and not skillful enough in their attack moves for my liking.

Modelwise though, I think they're looking pretty sweet. Not as good as the SW or the BG, but they're among my favourites.

[Zoatibix]

Some fighting styles are 'pretty' while others aren't - they just get the job done.

[Aelthurian Elthrai]

Some fighting styles are 'pretty' while others aren't - they just get the job done.

True, but this isn't real life and the way a character moves adds to the feel of that character. The Witch Elves are supposed to be the hottest women of all the races in the lore, so their current stance is not helpful to the class feel as I see it.

[Zoatibix]

Sorry, had to dash off.

I think they have gone for that stance because it is feral, crouching before the strike. Yes, WE are graceful and beautiful but when they are fighting they are only barely in control. Hmm. but still WS5 so there should be some signs of skill in their fighting. Eight Drunken Witch Elf style, anyone?

What I don't like about the stance is the way she holds the daggers...looks like she always holds them point downwards. I'd prefer them to be held in a more traditional manner (which would probably lead to a more upright combat stance)

I prefer her stance to e.g. the Blood Elf combat stance in WoW. At least the Witch Elf looks like she knows what to do with her weapons.

[Amority]

Could some one please post a link to said video?

[Estebar]

*traces intricate patterns through the air with his staff and makes it so* :)

From here: (http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/warhammeronline/media.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=tabs&tag=tabs;videos)
Witch Elf Video (http://uk.gamespot.com/video/520538/6186164/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-gameplay-movie-16) (Relevant video for the "Hump of Doom")
Marauder Video #1 (http://uk.gamespot.com/video/520538/6186165/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-gameplay-movie-17)
Marauder Video #2 (http://uk.gamespot.com/video/520538/6186165/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-gameplay-movie-17)

Geez guys, you manage to go on for three pages whining about how your Druchii aren't looking pretty enough without actually providing any relevant visual evidence for those in need of it. No wonder there's so much strife within the Dark Elf fan community. :-P

And, for the record, I doubt a Witch Elf cares how attractive her backside is looking in battle. Like any wild predator, her attention is focused entirely in front of her, and the stance does look pretty impressive from the front and sides. I agree with Zoatibix, I think it's supposed to contrast with her casual standing stance, in which she stands tall, showing off her lithe, slender body and holding her knives loosely in her hands like some serial killer waiting to snap. Although, yes, she could stand to hold them point-upright a little more often. She's not a ninja after all. But at least you can see her occasionally twirling the blade in her hand showing that she can use it like a carving knife when need be.

[Dukha]

While that stance could look better I can easily live with it and agree with both Estebar and Zoatibix in that it's a functional stance and it contrasts nicely with the idle animation.

However, this (http://uk.gamespot.com/video/520538/6186164/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning-gameplay-movie-16) performance just makes me sad. I don't mind bunny hopping as such but come on! How difficult can it be to atleast bunnyhop in melee range?? Not to mention it sure looks as if that player is being vastly outdamaged by a Disciple :roll:

[Gemini]

As usual, that player had no idea what he or she was doing.

[Dukha]

That much was painfully obvious :|

[WastedTrojan]

wtf was with all the jumping in the WE video, hard to tell how much damage a class can unload when they hit once and then jump all the time.

[Estebar]

wtf was with all the jumping in the WE video, hard to tell how much damage a class can unload when they hit once and then jump all the time. Maybe the player heard that Witch Elves are acrobatic and rogue-like in WAR, so he were trying desperately to somersault over his enemies. :mrgreen:

Anyway, here's a section of the latest Dark Elf article (http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/warhammer-online/860574p1.html?RSSwhen2008-03-18_151500&RSSid=860574) with someone perhaps showing some support for the Hump of Doom: It was during this process that we gained an appreciation for the game's art design. High Elves are tall, graceful and straight-backed, their chests puffed out with a sort of haughty pride. They're every football captain or head cheerleader you hated in High School. Dark Elves, on the other hand, are every bit as graceful but their movements are hunched over, tight and very controlled. They give off an aura of fear and paranoia (not an unreasonable emotion in Dark Elf society) and a psychotic determination to hurt the world before it hurts them.

[Squizz]

edit: Is there a problem with that link, if so sorry, I sometimes forget that some things aren't appropriate to be posted elsewhere.

[Eliphas-WorldBearer]

Please take down that link Squizz before the mods get on your ...

[rtmcs1017]

Haha don't panic. The game is still in Beta and they have a lot of revamping to do to the graphics and stuff.. they're just trying to get all the balance issues down first.

To any wow players.. remember the first Succubus model? It was horrible. They changed it. It's not outside the realm of possibility for changes to be made, and the game already looks great!

Can't wait. :)