Could play WOW but not DAOC

[Hoopla]

hey guys, had a weird situation. I played wow with no lag at all and great resolution, when i quit i downloaded the trial for DAOC and it was super laggy and unstable. Does anyone know of a potential issue that might cause this.
I know im going to have to upgrade for war anyway but it doesnt makes since that WOW was flawless and I had huge issue with DAOC. Since mythic is doing both i wanted to try to isolate the problem before War was released.
Thanks in advance.

[zer]

Since the game is far less demanding, Im almost thinking that you need to lower the hardware acceleration bar in your display settting under advanced. Now, dont forget to crank it back up once your done playing... All recent game titles from the past like 3-4 years need hardware accereration to run.

[Nerror]

DAoC isn't less demanding than WoW if that's what you meant Zer. DAoC with the latest expansion is heavier than WoW I think. As for why it's super laggy, more info about your system specs and OS would be helpful.

[zer]

Just so we are on the same page Nerror, the spec for the trial/expansion:

Recommended Requirements:
Pentium 4 2GHz or AMD equivalent
512 MB RAM
NVidia GeForce 4 Ti series 3D video card with 64 MB Video RAM DirectX 9 or later
Internet Connection Required

No?

If thats te case then yes we would need ot know what kind of system our friend has.

But this
*NVidia GeForce 4 Ti series 3D video card with 64 MB Video RAM DirectX 9 or later

If he has somthing thats MUCH better in term of a 3D card, he might actually have to lower hardware acceleration...

Again Im speculating here.

WoW seems to want better 3D capabilities for shader support:

*Recommended: 64MB VRAM 3D graphics processor with Vertex and Pixel Shader capability, such as an NVIDIA GeForce FX 5700 class card or above

Also, this could be video driver related as well.

[Nerror]

I am not going by the recommended specs, I am going by experience with playing both DAoC with the latest expansion and WoW on the same machine. Specifically it was a Geforece 6800 and 2Gb RAM. CPU was an Athlon.

Anyway, WoW ran smoother than DAoC on the same hardware. I have run DAoC on a geforce 3 ultra back in the days, but it became too slow with the expansions. WoW really is a game that can run well on old hardware because the graphics are so cartoony.

[Mo0rbid]

DaoC isn't optimized

[Sentack]

I'll agree with some others here and say really it's a DAOC Issue, not your hardware. While I can't pin point the problem specifically, I will say that DAOC is a system hog and that even in modest RvR fights, the system can make even the biggest power house machine chug. This is specially true if you visit the Labyrinth, where the main RvR area known as the Hub routinely has me see single digit framerates where other games wouldn't even stutter with that much in terms of effects on screen.

DAOC is a great game, sadly they haven't had someone on team who's a great Engine person to really optimize the game for RvR play.

[Foofmonger]

Agreed, I had the same problem.

My system ran WoW like a dream, and DAoC like crud.

I was a little pissed when I found that out, heh.

[Ruinx]

Just so we are on the same page Nerror, the spec for the trial/expansion:

Recommended Requirements:
Pentium 4 2GHz or AMD equivalent
512 MB RAM
NVidia GeForce 4 Ti series 3D video card with 64 MB Video RAM DirectX 9 or later
Internet Connection Required

No?

If thats te case then yes we would need ot know what kind of system our friend has.

But this
*NVidia GeForce 4 Ti series 3D video card with 64 MB Video RAM DirectX 9 or later

If he has somthing thats MUCH better in term of a 3D card, he might actually have to lower hardware acceleration...

Again Im speculating here.

WoW seems to want better 3D capabilities for shader support:

*Recommended: 64MB VRAM 3D graphics processor with Vertex and Pixel Shader capability, such as an NVIDIA GeForce FX 5700 class card or above

Also, this could be video driver related as well.

First off, no you never ever touch hardware acceleration. It stays on full at all times. That is the rule. You obey the rule. You love the rule. To do otherwise is madness. The only reason to turn it down is if Windows itself is experiencing a highly specific problem, and then you don't play games until it's fixed. If you have been messing with the hardware acceleration bar, you need to stay OUT of technical discussions, very strictly.

WoW has FAR SUPERIOR performance to Catacombs-era DAoC on identical systems. If DAoC doesn't call for a more powerful graphics card, then the problem is that DAoC's specs are inaccurate, not that WoW is more demanding, because it isn't.

My old PC could run WoW extremely well, consistent framerates above 30, very playable, never lags out.

The same PC trying to run Catacombs-graphics DAoC in RvR, near a castle? Lags out to the point of lock-up. With brand new drivers even.

The solution? There isn't one.

You can turn down the models to the ToA models (except for the bloody minotaurs), but you can't turn down the ULTRA-LARGE, completely unoptimised textures and geometry used for the castles, and they WILL lag you the hell out unless you've got a system that's absolutely cutting edge NOW in 2008!

It's really sad, because in 2004, DAoC, with ToA-era graphics and new frontiers, ran well, as well WoW does now, on the weak- PCs of the era. My Radeon 9500 Pro with my 512mb of main memory and 2ghz processor kicked in ToA-era! But skip to 2007, and I'm running an X1650 Pro, with 1.5gb of main memory and a 3.2ghz processor, and Catacombs era graphics, and DAoC runs like sludge.

The biggest difference is really just that in WoW you CAN turn down the graphics and get the frame rate higher, whereas with DAoC's centuries-old engine, all you can do is adjust draw-distance (which merely DELAYS lag, does not lessen it significantly), adjust the models (which makes the game look like suck, and doesn't help that much), and adjust the water and trees, which might make a difference of ooooh, 2fps!

[Weigraf]

hey guys, had a weird situation. I played wow with no lag at all and great resolution, when i quit i downloaded the trial for DAOC and it was super laggy and unstable. Does anyone know of a potential issue that might cause this.
I know im going to have to upgrade for war anyway but it doesnt makes since that WOW was flawless and I had huge issue with DAOC. Since mythic is doing both i wanted to try to isolate the problem before War was released.
Thanks in advance.

You might also want to make sure that DAoC isn't being blocked by a firewall of any kind. When I first purchased DAoC (about the time ToA came out) it lagged horribly until I unblocked it in my anti-virus firewall (I was using Trend Micro at the time). After I took care of that it ran fine.