Male Sorcerors Explained

[Beardling]

Source: Warherald
http://www.warhammerherald.com/news/news.php?newsid=106

Quote: "...I know what lies in that black heart of yours, Kaloth. Rest assured, we will deal with Lady Arkaneth and her brood soon enough. First, let us attend to matters nearer at hand. Have you made an account of our Sorcerers and sent it to the Witch King?"

"I have, my lord," replied Kaloth with a wry smile.

Malekith had recently granted permission for male Dark Elves to practice the arts of magic. Until recently such activity was strictly forbidden, for the Witch King had received a vision of his own death at the hands of a Sorceror. After several failed attempts to conquer Ulthuan, the Witch King was determined to bring every weapon to bear against the High Elves.

Now, every noble house had been commanded to provide Malekith with a list of its male Sorcerers, and also to instruct them to join in the attack. House Uthorin had made its report, but of course, had not revealed everything.

"Good, that should keep the Witch King satisfied, for a time. I do not doubt his intention to massacre the lot of them once we are victorious in Ulthuan, but it will hardly matter by then..."

The link can also be found on the front page of warhammer alliance. The important part is in bold, and I personally like the hint that after WAR is over all the male sorcerors will be eliminated. It sounds like something Malekith would do. Bring all the male sorcerors out with a pardon, then order them all to join the attack. After the attack is over, outlaw them again and wipe them all out, now that they have all come out of hiding. He gets to use them for the war effort and eliminates them as a threat. Very cunning indeed. As a lore-mongerer, I feel satisfied with this explanation, so I am happy indeed.

[GWARAndy]

Source: Warherald
http://www.warhammerherald.com/news/news.php?newsid=106

Quote: "...I know what lies in that black heart of yours, Kaloth. Rest assured, we will deal with Lady Arkaneth and her brood soon enough. First, let us attend to matters nearer at hand. Have you made an account of our Sorcerers and sent it to the Witch King?"

"I have, my lord," replied Kaloth with a wry smile.

Malekith had recently granted permission for male Dark Elves to practice the arts of magic. Until recently such activity was strictly , for the Witch King had received a vision of his own at the hands of a Sorceror. After several failed attempts to conquer Ulthuan, the Witch King was determined to bring every weapon to bear against the High Elves.

Now, every noble house had been commanded to provide Malekith with a list of its male Sorcerers, and also to instruct them to join in the attack. House Uthorin had made its report, but of course, had not revealed everything.

"Good, that should keep the Witch King satisfied, for a time. I do not doubt his intention to massacre the lot of them once we are victorious in Ulthuan, but it will hardly matter by then..."

The link can also be found on the front page of warhammer alliance. The important part is in bold, and I personally like the hint that after WAR is over all the male sorcerors will be eliminated. It sounds like something Malekith would do. Bring all the male sorcerors out with a pardon, then order them all to join the attack. After the attack is over, outlaw them again and wipe them all out, now that they have all come out of hiding. He gets to use them for the war effort and eliminates them as a threat. Very cunning indeed. As a lore-mongerer, I feel satisfied with this explanation, so I am happy indeed.

Thanks for the effort, but I think this is fairly old information.

[Nightsoldier]

Thanks for the effort, but I think this is fairly old information.

Wasnt the warherald released today? i think the OP is refering to that there is lore now to back up the decision of the sorcerer now rather then they just felt like it. I may be wrong but thats the feeling I got.

[Beardling]

Wasnt the warherald released today? i think the OP is refering to that there is lore now to back up the decision of the sorcerer now rather then they just felt like it. I may be wrong but thats the feeling I got.

Thank you Nightsoldier, the feeling you got is correct. :D

[GWARAndy]

Wasnt the warherald released today? i think the OP is refering to that there is lore now to back up the decision of the sorcerer now rather then they just felt like it. I may be wrong but thats the feeling I got.

I could have sworn that it had been explained that way in posts already, so I'm not sure that it's new information. Maybe new lore was introduced, but I thought that it was already there? At least that's what I've been left with the impression of in other posts about this topic. In either case, the effort is appreciated. If it's new info, rock on, but it sounded familiar.

[Beardling]

I'm pretty sure that people on this board brought it up as a solution, but this is the first official thing that I have come across which has explained it. Hence, my excitement.

[snapmaster]

i've been hearing that they were going to change up the lore to allow male sorcerers, but this is the first 'OFFICIAL' word i've heard of it.


but in my opinion, i wouldn't have allowed it. female only sorceresses (imo) were one of the bigger aspects about the dark elf army.

[GWARAndy]

I'm pretty sure that people on this board brought it up as a solution, but this is the first official thing that I have come across which has explained it. Hence, my excitement.

Well, thanks for the find, then :)

[Zunjin]

Ah, this follows my theory to the end. Poor those sorcerers who wont see their end coming :p Infact, is there not a better way to find all of those culprits then gather them all at one place?

[thelastlogan]

The Witch King is stupid to do this, gathering sorcerers are only going to increase the chances of his vision becoming reality and in the event that he is defeated (thats an if), if the execution of the sorcerers become a massacre of all dark elves because the sorcerers decide to rebel, it could weaken them even more and leave them open for an attack.

[sithborn]

As a lore-mongerer, I feel satisfied with this explanation, so I am happy indeed.

In all honesty If GW or Mythic (with GW approval) wanted to change somthing and say this is the new lore, while it may suck it's the new lore, lore changes from time to time, it just happens. I agree with you though (so don't flame me people) and like this and feel satisfied with how its been integrated in.

[Alota]

This proves the theory "Male sorcerers are idiots" :p

[Lucrece]

This proves the theory "Male sorcerers are idiots" :p

"Sexy" *this is a wish ;p* idiots, at least ;).

[Ariel]

Cunning? This is a hare-brained scheme if I ever saw one. It's a pretty huge gamble for the Witch King and I'm sure many will see it as a show of desperation. These are dark elven sorcerers we're talking about. They are more than likely capable of seeing right through Malekith's scheme ( ... if you can even call it that considering how terribly predictable it is in nature ) given their doubly justified paranoia. I don't think any dark elf would be dumb enough to actually believe that the pardon is sincere... and if they are they probably should go join the ork waaagh! in order to mingle with more suitable peers.

If anything all those rogue sorcerers will rebel against Malekith after the war and undoubtedly lend their support to anyone opposing him. I frankly wouldn't be surprised if the prophecy ends up fulfilled. He's opened the flood gates now. I certainly hope he has a way to stem the tide.

[Lucrece]

Cunning? This is a hare-brained scheme if I ever saw one. It's a pretty huge gamble for the Witch King and I'm sure many will see it as a show of desperation. These are dark elven sorcerers we're talking about. They are more than likely capable of seeing right through Malekith's scheme ( ... if you can even call it that considering how terribly predictable it is in nature ) given their doubly justified paranoia. I don't think any dark elf would be dumb enough to actually believe that the pardon is sincere... and if they are they probably should go join the ork waaagh! in order to mingle with more suitable peers.

If anything all those rogue sorcerers will rebel against Malekith after the war and undoubtedly lend their support to anyone opposing him. I frankly wouldn't be surprised if the prophecy ends up fulfilled. He's opened the flood gates now. I certainly hope he has a way to stem the tide.

You know what would be lovely? If Morathi saw this as a nice opportunity to widen her ambitions and dispose of her own son in the most horrific manner.

A mother killing her own child? How more Dark Elvish can this get?

*Warning: Crazed, Morathi fanboi in here*

[Gemini]

Clearly an act of despiration by the Witch King, but a somewhat understandable one. It is my understanding that this invasion is the best chance the Dark Elves have had so far to reclaim their homelands, what with the Empire being occupied, and a(the?) High Elf fleet helping them. I would throw everything I had at them for sure, but I would also keep myself very, very, very well guarded. I also hope his plan backfires and the prophecy is fufilled, but I doubt the WAR storyline will go that far, seeing as how the prepetual struggle isn't supposed to end.

[Sinfjotle]

I think the more illogical thing is that there wouldn't be many male sorcerers old enough to, you know, be in a war if they were being killed. You would have to plan years and years in advance, and not only that, but you'd also have to convince the ones old enough to join up.

Discarding the prophesy would've been much simpler. It doesn't matter in WAR as it'll never see the conclusion of the prophesy anyways.

[Seldaren]

I think the more illogical thing is that there wouldn't be many male sorcerers old enough to, you know, be in a war if they were being killed. You would have to plan years and years in advance, and not only that, but you'd also have to convince the ones old enough to join up.

Actually, it's pretty much an accepted fact that the Druchii Noble Houses have been hiding male Sorcs for years. They put on a good face about complying with Malekith's order, but have still maintained stables of male Sorcs for their own purposes.

That in-character Sorceress interview from a couple months ago even indicates that the Covents themselves have been training male Sorcs for quite some time.

And, even the Dark Elf Army Book makes mention of male magic-users being around, and offering their services to Noble houses.

Also, there's the thought that the Prophecy actually talks about Malekith destroying himself. In which case male Sorcs aren't a threat at all :) .

[Selendor]

Meh. This is why Malekith has called out the Black Guard for this invasion. They can handle the male Sorcerers.

Besides, if Teclis can't kill Malekith, your average Dark Elf sorcerer hasn't got a prayer.

[Gharunkal]

It's a prophesy deemed true by Malekith, in a magical world like Warhammer, such prophesies may very well become reality, and if it's true (I imagine it is), wouldn't Malekith's Death at the hand of a sorceror be inevitable?

[Walter Black]

I'm curious, does the prophecy specifically refer to a Dark Elf Sorceror, or just any male magic user?

[Ayetalam]

I say he kills himself. He is a male magic user. He will kill himself and the prophecy will be fulfilled. :P

[mongoose]

Thanks for the effort, but I think this is fairly old information.

GWAR is correct. I remember reading this exact info months ago when the sorceress was released.

and Beardling what the hell are you doing so deep in Dark Elf territory? O.o

[shotgunbadger]

As bad as it is to admit it as a DE player, the Witch King IS in a state of desperation, this fits well.

Look what he's reduced to, leading one great last siege and praying that he survives it. I could see him basically saying "This is my last gamble, I might as well go all in" and let males practice magic to hopefully win.

[Gemini]

I'm curious, does the prophecy specifically refer to a Dark Elf Sorceror, or just any male magic user?

A male magic user using "the darkest of arts" or something like, and theres something about unleashing horrible beasts. I always thought it would be funny if it was actually a Chaos Sorcorer unleashing demons or beastmen on him or something, instead of one of his own people. Sadly, I doubt GW will kill Malekith off anytime soon, and I'm sure it won't happen in WAR. I mean, he'll die, hopefully very often at my Shadow Warrior's blade, but he'll keep coming back for more :(

[Beardling]

GWAR is correct. I remember reading this exact info months ago when the sorceress was released.

and Beardling what the hell are you doing so deep in Dark Elf territory? O.o

Well, long story short, a group of elflings in dark purple told me that they could give me a lift to Ulthuan for the war effort. How was I supposed to know that they were dark elf corsairs? All ye elflings look alike to me! <grumbles> Still, I cannae say that these elflings be too smart, they gave me a shovel and a mine to work in. I'll be back in Karaz-a-Karak in no time! <starts digging with a smile on his face>


All joking aside, it's news to me. Maybe when we get more news on the dwarf mount I'll be back in the subforum that I belong in.

[Slash]

You know what would be lovely? If Morathi saw this as a nice opportunity to widen her ambitions and dispose of her own son in the most horrific manner.

A mother killing her own child? How more Dark Elvish can this get?

*Warning: Crazed, Morathi fanboi in here*


As am I. No matter how much I love Malekith, Morathi is just so interesting and well developed, plus plain badarse. I've always considered Malekith Moarthi's obedient pawn. However, I doubt it will play out this way :(.

And in regards to the prophesy and its speculated metaphorical value, I agree also :mrgreen:

BTW, I hadn't seen this. Must have missed it. Thanks.

[Ganymed]

As bad as it is to admit it as a DE player, the Witch King IS in a state of desperation, this fits well.

Look what he's reduced to, leading one great last siege and praying that he survives it. I could see him basically saying "This is my last gamble, I might as well go all in" and let males practice magic to hopefully win.

malekith isnt leading anything. he sits in naggaroth letting others do his job. great leader we have no? ....

(PS.: the noob has to die for good now, DE society is predestined for internal powerstruggles between different houses anyway, they dont need 1 dictator; just keep morathi as grey eminence and alls good :P)

[Gemini]

malekith isnt leading anything. he sits in naggaroth letting others do his job. great leader we have no? ....


No he's not, he's very much at the invasion. He brought alone his own personal Ark, Malekith's Fist, which is acting as the DE capital. Malekith will be one of the City Siege boses for those raiding the DE capital.

[Ganymed]

No he's not, he's very much at the invasion. He brought alone his own personal Ark, Malekith's Fist, which is acting as the DE capital. Malekith will be one of the City Siege boses for those raiding the DE capital.

oh, didnt know that. any link to it?

edit: link to where it states that malekith is leader, i know that malekiths fist is DE "capital".

[mongoose]

Well, long story short, a group of elflings in dark purple told me that they could give me a lift to Ulthuan for the war effort. How was I supposed to know that they were dark elf corsairs? All ye elflings look alike to me! <grumbles> Still, I cannae say that these elflings be too smart, they gave me a shovel and a mine to work in. I'll be back in Karaz-a-Karak in no time! <starts digging with a smile on his face>

:roll: Are Dwarves all myopic? Dark Elves are, welll.......DARK. Dressed in purples, blacks, etc. while High Elves dress in silver, sky blue and white. I would liken this 'mistake' to thinking a Chaos Dwarf was your everyday Worlds Edge version. :rolleyes:

I think you need to go visit your local Engineer for an eye checkup and get a pair of those new fangled spectacle thingies. :mrgreen:

[Simsallabim]

dont be so sure about gw not killing off malekith. Wouldn't be the first time they killed of a much beloved important chr (oh Eldrad its just not the same) still usable in TT just dead in lore

EDIT (sorry i just realised i resurfaced a very old dead topic, my bad was just reading and replied without thinking)

[geriand]

The prophecy states it will be a first born son sorcerer who kills him.
Because of this he'll actually be fine as long as he kills every first born son.

[Gothics]

Thanks for rezzing this thread. I hadn't seen it. Lore-bandaid!

[Adzzy]

It's a prophesy deemed true by Malekith, in a magical world like Warhammer, such prophesies may very well become reality, and if it's true (I imagine it is), wouldn't Malekith's Death at the hand of a sorceror be inevitable?

I guarntee you the leader of the house of Uthorin is a sorcerer in hiding ;)

You need only read what was said, put it into proper context ( thats its lord uthorin writing it) and realise, a) he's only revealed sorcerers in his house he can afford to lose, and b) he doesnt expect malekith to survive either victory or defeat.

[Unwise]

Well, I guess that is a little more palatable than my explaination of why we now have male sorcs.

I have heard that the sorceresses are often refered to as being brides of Malekith. In much the same way as witchelves are to khaine. Malekith has been alive for a long long time, and has had his fill of hot female action...now he has slightly more 'masculine tastes'. I figured the poor male sorcs were being made "prison-brides of Malekith".

[Harlequin70]

Ah well at least they got round to actually putting out the fluff. So i'm somewhat satisifed. Though in all honesty it doesn't really matter TT wise as all WAR goes against the current TT timeline.

[Ymrar]

Besides GW has turned around many many things in their lore to please some game mechanics or coolf figures. Its all GW approved so in my eyes its all new lore. (and you can find contradiction sometimes even in an armybook itself.)

[Barrus]

I'm not totally sure what I'm going to be but if I'm not a "prison-bride of malekith" then I might enjoy doing some sorcery.