Bows

[Kaeldor]

http://www.warhammeronline.com/conceptart/index.php

I hope the ones the SW get, look different to those in the link above. I'd prefer them to look much simpler, and more like longbows than composite ones.

[Kilrogg-WHA]

Considering their look and the fact its written 'High Bows' on the picture, I'm not sure who else you'd expect those bows are for.

[Koojo]

I'd assume they are. It says High Bows, and they don't look very Greenskin-esque. They look pretty sweet :)

[Kaeldor]

Considering their look and the fact its written 'High Bows' on the picture, I'm not sure who else you'd expect those bows are for.

HE NPCs? I also think they are for SW, what I meant was I hope not all of the choices we get will have this overloaded composite bow style. My wording was bad.

[ChosenOne]

Well, I think I disagree. High Elves seem to excel and look to be the best at what they do. Swordmasters do not seek to be the best swordmasters with simple longswords of basic quality. They build sword creations that they hold in such high regard that they cradle it rather then sheath it. Archmages dont meddle with single winds, they weave them all including the most complicated being High Magic. The white lions of Chrace dont pick just any animal to overcome in a battle of sheer strength, they pick the most dangerous to overcome and then in our game they actually take their cubs as pets.

These are examples of how its elven nature to mix supreme skill with supreme technology, power, or the supreme beast. Why would Shadow Warriors be different and use an older technology which would be longbows?

[Velryn]

Well, I think I disagree. High Elves seem to excel and look to be the best at what they do. Swordmasters do not seek to be the best swordmasters with simple longswords of basic quality. They build sword creations that they hold in such high regard that they cradle it rather then sheath it. Archmages dont meddle with single winds, they weave them all including the most complicated being High Magic. The white lions of Chrace dont pick just any animal to overcome in a battle of sheer strength, they pick the most dangerous to overcome and then in our game they actually take their cubs as pets.

These are examples of how its elven nature to mix supreme skill with supreme technology, power, or the supreme beast. Why would Shadow Warriors be different and use an older technology which would be longbows?


I completely Agree.

[Gemini]

It's not the type of bow that bothers me, but it's just too... ornate. It's too much like the Swordmaster and the Archmage gear. Shadow Warriors are High Elves, but they are much more gritty and dark. I expected very well crafted bows of course, just not so... bright.

EDIT: Looking at it again, I guess it's really only the ones on the far left and far right that bother me. The others fit better, imo.

[Kaeldor]

It's not the type of bow that bothers me, but it's just too... ornate. It's too much like the Swordmaster and the Archmage gear. Shadow Warriors are High Elves, but they are much more gritty and dark. I expected very well crafted bows of course, just not so... bright.

That is what I was thinking, thanks for wording it better than I could : ).

And for the techonlogy: Both types are very old, and which one is "better" often depended on the situation. It's not like composite bows made longbows useless. But I meant more the overloaded ornate style, than the technology.

[ChosenOne]

Well, all I can say is that shadow warriors are not the same as the high elves maybe but they definately are not Wood Elves. They are much closer to High Elves then wood elves. If their bow craftmanship resembles that of High Elf craftmanship then I wouldnt consider that far fetched.

[Eredhel]

Yeah those bows look a bit too ornate, bright and happy for a Shadow Warrior. Unless they are just for use by High Elf NPCs, then they look great. But Shadow Warriors need more darker toned bows. Not much point wearing dark coloured armour and cloaks to remain hidden, only to have a huge shiny bow that gives the game away :)

[ChosenOne]

Yeah those bows look a bit too ornate, bright and happy for a Shadow Warrior. Unless they are just for use by High Elf NPCs, then they look great. But Shadow Warriors need more darker toned bows. Not much point wearing dark coloured armour and cloaks to remain hidden, only to have a huge shiny bow that gives the game away :)

Well some of the concept arts we have seen show quite a bit of ornate armor on the shadow warrior's. They arent all leather and cloth.

[Kaeldor]

Well, all I can say is that shadow warriors are not the same as the high elves maybe but they definately are not Wood Elves. They are much closer to High Elves then wood elves. If their bow craftmanship resembles that of High Elf craftmanship then I wouldnt consider that far fetched.

Do you have the high elf army book? The bow the shadow warrior has there, or the Moonbow of Alith, I think those look better: Well made, elegant and still a bit ornate. I just think those here a bit over the top. And from the army books, there is not really a difference of bow craftmanship between high and wood elfs. Both seem to use longbow type and composite type bows. Bu in the end it jsut comes down to personal taste, and what image you have of the SW. I like the darker/simpler one more (like in the Mark of Chaos trailer) than the highly ornate ones they have here for the high tiers.

[Velryn]

I think both would looks cool. There are a few details about those big flashy bows I don't like, but for the most part there good enough.

[ChosenOne]

Do you have the high elf army book? The bow the shadow warrior has there, or the Moonbow of Alith, I think those look better: Well made, elegant and still a bit ornate. I just think those here a bit over the top. And from the army books, there is not really a difference of bow craftmanship between high and wood elfs. Both seem to use longbow type and composite type bows. Bu in the end it jsut comes down to personal taste, and what image you have of the SW. I like the darker/simpler one more (like in the Mark of Chaos trailer) than the highly ornate ones they have here for the high tiers.

Well I find I agree with some of what you say. In the end though I dont know if a majority of players would rather have the dark gritty bow look or a bow they can't show off as well to the other classes that have overly gleaming armor, swords, staves, robes, etc....

It may not be perfect but I will certainly be able to live with them.

[Irathian]

These are examples of how its elven nature to mix supreme skill with supreme technology, power, or the supreme beast. Why would Shadow Warriors be different and use an older technology which would be longbows?

Im not sure you can call it supreme technology, after all they still use bows and swords.
However they have refined their arms and martial arts to perfect the tecnique.
The Dwarves have developed new technology like steampower engines and gunpowder weapons.
If the Highelves where not so conservative they could probably develop superior technology to other races.

[ChosenOne]

Im not sure you can call it supreme technology, after all they still use bows and swords.
However they have refined their arms and martial arts to perfect the tecnique.
The Dwarves have developed new technology like steampower engines and gunpowder weapons.
If the Highelves where not so conservative they could probably develop superior technology to other races.

It really depends on what you consider technology. If its technology that is parallel to the technology curve of OUR world then yes you are absolutely right.

Elven technology isnt about stuff that goes boom or makes a lot of noise. Its more about precision and making what they do use even better. You see that in their armor. Its lighter weight then any other existing in the world yet its just as strong. You see that in their swords, as they are the best balanced and sharpest blade in the warhammer world. You see that in their magic, they are the only users of High Magic in the game so far.

That is Elven Technology. That was the point I was trying to make.

[WarGreek01]

If those pictures are accurate, then we can expect to be using recurve bows... I have been practicing archery irl for about 5 years now, and recurve bows are built for maximizing the speed of the shot, while maintaining a high level of accuracy from mid-shorter ranges. If Mythic makes the physics of the bow technologicaly sound, then these should be great for skirmish SW's.

Also, as far as the ornateness matter is concerned, even recurve bows irl are decorated... longbows tend to be simpler. Personally, I like the ornate detail, it adds a sense of uniqueness to your bow.

Just my $ .02

[ChosenOne]

Ahh another shadow warrior. Welcome to the clan.

[Kaeldor]

Well I find I agree with some of what you say. In the end though I dont know if a majority of players would rather have the dark gritty bow look or a bow they can't show off as well to the other classes that have overly gleaming armor, swords, staves, robes, etc....

It may not be perfect but I will certainly be able to live with them.

Oh I can live with them too, and in game the might look less over the top anyway. We'll see.

[Eredhel]

Im not sure you can call it supreme technology, after all they still use bows and swords.
However they have refined their arms and martial arts to perfect the tecnique.
The Dwarves have developed new technology like steampower engines and gunpowder weapons.

You mean weapons that are just as likely to blow up in your face or not fire at all? I'd take a bow over a flintlock any day :D

[Kaeldor]

Now here we have an ingame screenshot.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?GAMEID=239&SETVIEW=features&LOADFEATURE=1851&bhcp=1

Under right corner. I really think those bows don't fit well with the rest of the shadow warrior. All that gold, and unorganic look of the bow. Dark wood or something, ornated with a little bit of silver/gold would fit much better with the rest of the SW in my view. (I like the SS as such though!)

But still nothing I can't life with of course, I just wonder why they went with that kind of look. If Archamges would use bows, those would be fitting.

[ChosenOne]

I agree its probably a bit too bright, and perhaps it will be toned down later in patches if it becomes apparant most players think such. But for now I think they are pandering to players who like to show off and compare their weapons. That bow will compare more with the other high elven weapons and alot of players wont care about the lore and why a more wooden based appearance makes more sense.

[Kaeldor]

I agree its probably a bit too bright, and perhaps it will be toned down later in patches if it becomes apparant most players think such. But for now I think they are pandering to players who like to show off and compare their weapons. That bow will compare more with the other high elven weapons and alot of players wont care about the lore and why a more wooden based appearance makes more sense.

True, I don't think many people will care either. Also I fond a soothing picture here:
http://www.warhammeronline.com/armiesofWAR/highelves/HighElf.php

This one looks perfect. If there are larger versions of this style also, when you get to higher levels, I'd have nothing to complain.

[Reiden]

I also prefer a larger, more simplistic, almost longbow looking but I am not to worried about it. I imagine there will be everything ranging from the very simplistic woody to the overly obnoxious decorative bows.

[ChosenOne]

Man, vids like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01P2pKYjKEo

Make me begin to agree with you guys. That bow on his back is not only way too large looking but it doesnt go well with the style of outfitting. Its bright and gaudy while the shadow warrior's coloring is a bit darker and not so shiny. Hopefully thats been discussed.

[Merl]

agreed, i would be disappointed if they made it into game looking like they do in the vid. Although the gfx as a whole look very basic in that vid so maybe old or just low settings etc.

[comegetsomejuib]

while i agree that not all bows should be so decked out since the SW is more of a dark class and less concerned with such flashy showoffy things, for the player who wants the super power-ranger-mega-ninja SW that works fine, okay i exaggerated a bit but my point is that i agree there should be bows with a simpler style yet more complex then a curved piece of wood, but also some flashier ones. all i know is, if the bows look like they did in world of warcraft, i quit warhammer and use the cd's as coasters for when i get a nice cold drink to go with flaming EA and mythic for the U-shaped pieces of wood and the } and ] shaped bows. here are some examples.
http://thottbot.com/?ri=2787
http://thottbot.com/?ri=4426
http://thottbot.com/?ri=5392
http://thottbot.com/?ri=8107
http://thottbot.com/?ri=8104

pleased warhammer, WoW abused us, so far you are doing a more than amazing job by my standards with bow models. my favorite is the handle on the 4th one, and the 3rd bows "outer part?". i hope the bows are longbows though, i cant stand to see this epic archer running around shooting 1 inch think arrows with a little bow that looks like a harp instrument.

[comegetsomejuib]

Man, vids like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01P2pKYjKEo

Make me begin to agree with you guys. That bow on his back is not only way too large looking but it doesnt go well with the style of outfitting. Its bright and gaudy while the shadow warrior's coloring is a bit darker and not so shiny. Hopefully thats been discussed.
the bow does look a tad bit large, i think it will even out a tiny bit in the larger tiers where the shadow warrior seems to get larger with the hood and all the extra armor on so it may look a little bit more evened out. imagine that shadow warrior with a cape a hood, some shoulder armor and he looks larger, not this skinny high elf with a bow as thick as his arm =0.

[Kaeldor]

the bow does look a tad bit large, i think it will even out a tiny bit in the larger tiers where the shadow warrior seems to get larger with the hood and all the extra armor on so it may look a little bit more evened out. imagine that shadow warrior with a cape a hood, some shoulder armor and he looks larger, not this skinny high elf with a bow as thick as his arm =0.

Sorry, but even if the SW gets larger, that thing is looks bad. Why in earth don't they make a bow out of wood? That thing doesn't fit at all with the SW, it looks rediculous on him. It's even worse than I thought the models were. That stuff give me the creeps a bit, I wonder how a higher level SW will look if they want to fit them with that stuff. Hopefully we get a wide variety of bows, so that people who actually like the dark style can get a fitting bow.

[comegetsomejuib]

Sorry, but even if the SW gets larger, that thing is looks bad. Why in earth don't they make a bow out of wood? That thing doesn't fit at all with the SW, it looks rediculous on him. It's even worse than I thought the models were. That stuff give me the creeps a bit, I wonder how a higher level SW will look if they want to fit them with that stuff. Hopefully we get a wide variety of bows, so that people who actually like the dark style can get a fitting bow.
so the biggest issue is that it is too bright and stands out too much, and less about the shape although thats a problem as well, i agree about it being too bright. i was talking more about the size/shape of the bow.

[Kaeldor]

so the biggest issue is that it is too bright and stands out too much, and less about the shape although thats a problem as well, i agree about it being too bright. i was talking more about the size/shape of the bow.

Oh I see, yeah size will probalby ok with higher levels. Sorry, misunderstanding. THe genral shape would also be ok in my view. I just don't understand that glass, plastic, gold thing they did to the poor bow.

[comegetsomejuib]

i agree with you 100% though, ever watch Scoobydoo and you know which floor board they are going to step on and flip up, or which cup they will pick up, or which doors will open and which doors are just painted background, thats what the video remind me of with the softly lighted objects buildings clothes basically everything except for the neon bow

personally i will play them no matter what and although i do agree with your stand on the bows that look like they have 100 layers of modeling varnish it will not effect my outlook on their models very much.

i dont want to beat the dead horse by saying this but, do you think it is something they just havent gotten around to putting the final touches on or since the shadow warriors are high elves and therefore buy their bows at high elf walmarts that they will actually be bright and shiny.

[Eredhel]

Well there is this picture:

http://mythicmktg.fileburst.net/war/us/home/images/armiesofWAR/highelves/swr_07.jpg

The bow is quite ornate but it is a lot darker and has more subdued tones than the others.

[Aelthurian Elthrai]

My preference would be for very simple bows even at the higest levels - the extra stuff like the wings are superfluous and make them look tacky to me. Adding cooler looking bow tips, more intricate patterns on the limbs, and more ornate handle would be enough to make a bow stand out, but adding on all the extra stuff makes it not look like a proper bow at all. Most of the bows I've seen so far look far too unwieldy to me, but then I do archery so it might just be me...

[ChosenOne]

Well there is this picture:

http://mythicmktg.fileburst.net/war/us/home/images/armiesofWAR/highelves/swr_07.jpg

The bow is quite ornate but it is a lot darker and has more subdued tones than the others.

I like, but its concept art. When I see that in game then thats different.

[Fyrael]

Once upon a time I was led to believe that we will be able to at least somewhat customize the appearance of our gear, so hopefully we can all be just as ornate or simple as we want. :grin:

[Eredhel]

Once upon a time I was led to believe that we will be able to at least somewhat customize the appearance of our gear, so hopefully we can all be just as ornate or simple as we want. :grin:

Well it would be kind of cool if we get a couple of trophy slots on our weapons that allow us to add or change certain aspects of the weapon's appearance.