Deciding whether or not to roll SW

[Rizn]

I was set on rolling a shaman earlier this year, but the shadow warrior is appealing to me more and more. I really am interested in playing a class that is extremely creative, situational and controlled as far as playstyle goes. Meaning I want a class that is very versatile and has a lot of utility and survivability. TBH I don't really want huuuge amounts of damage, but I want to be able to burst when I need to.

If anyone thinks this is either ambiguous or completely wrong about the SW, let me know. But this class looks like it could be perfect for my playstyle :)

Thanks, Rizn

[Koojo]

I imagine SWs will have a great deal of survivability, as they don't really have any other kiting tools as the Squig Herder and Engineer. (squigs, and turrets/mines respectively) As far as taking hits though, expect Shadow Warriors and Shaman to be pretty fragile. Both are probably skilled at avoiding damage through abilities, but only one obviously can heal. The real utility from Shadow Warriors will be their ability to keep people off them, probably unlike any other class. So...it all really depends if you want to be able to heal or not; your description is pretty vague. Also expect Shaman to have inferior damage in comparison.

[mister chief]

i do love the look of a shadow warrior i love their mechanics now imo the shadow warrior will be very different upon choosing your masteries like scout is burst damage from afar probably less kiting more for pq and stuff or getting helped with you friendly neighborhood tank . skirmish is the pew pew pew run away you kite you dot you pin them what ever. assualt imo is very underestimated because OUR melee dps is just as strong as our rdps therefore you choose your stance based on the position of the enemy now use assualt against a caster you will beat them we have an advantage over other rdps we could pin them switch then to assualt to finish them in close because does a magus have a close range spec no does a sorceress no this is why the sw is a tactical class that requires skill8-)

[Eredhel]

assualt imo is very underestimated because OUR melee dps is just as strong as our rdps

Ummm...I doubt that even in assault stance. If our melee damage is going to be as strong as our ranged damage, shadow warriors would be so overpowered it wouldn't be funny. Our melee damage is going to be higher than other ranged classes, but not as high as our ranged.

[mister chief]

its old info use the search button and search for some new info or just scroll down and u'll see it

[Eredhel]

its old info use the search button and search for some new info or just scroll down and u'll see it

Cant find what you are talking about. All I know is that when Shadow Warriors were first announced, in the video Paul first made it sound like shadow warriors melee'ed a lot. They then had to change it to make sure people know that this is the ranged DPS class and that they wont be relying as much melee as what Paul first seemed to be saying.

Unless there is a quote from someone from Mythic specifically stating that Shadow Warriors will do as much damage in melee as when at ranged, I wont believe it. Yes they will do more melee damage than the other ranged classes, tailored towards interrupting spells etc by the sounds of it. But I still cant see a ranged class matching it's melee with it's ranged. :)

[ChosenOne]

I doubt assault spec is about damage as much as its about survivability. Its damage certainly wont be equivalent to scout or probably even to skirmish, but shadow warriors are going to die quickest at melee range so just because melee wont do as much damage it doesnt mean its not as viable of a choice.

[Rizn]

I doubt assault spec is about damage as much as its about survivability. Its damage certainly wont be equivalent to scout or probably even to skirmish, but shadow warriors are going to die quickest at melee range so just because melee wont do as much damage it doesnt mean its not as viable of a choice.

This makes a lot of sense to me. SW has been dubbed as a RDPS class, so it seems that the assault side of it would be giving abilities to aid in surviving to get back to range, while sneaking in some melee burst.

I love the idea of a RDPS class with this kind of situational diversity. Thanks everyone :)

[mister chief]

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?PAGE=1&LOADFEATURE=1770&GAMEID=239&SETVIEW=features&bhcp=1
ok it is a rdps class but it can also do mdps making it a tactical class as it states if a bw and a sw were out rdpsing each other the bright wizard will win we are a very hard class to play and it says in that interview that is what mythic has said they have wanted

[Velryn]

I have both gameplay reasons and reasons like graphics, feel an backmstory. Basically I love every aspect of my class.

[Eredhel]

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?PAGE=1&LOADFEATURE=1770&GAMEID=239&SETVIEW=features&bhcp=1
ok it is a rdps class but it can also do mdps making it a tactical class...


Which is what I've been saying all along. The above article says that Shadow Warriors are just as effective at close range as at long range. But that doesn't necessarily translate to equal amounts of damage. :)

[Kaeldor]

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?PAGE=1&LOADFEATURE=1770&GAMEID=239&SETVIEW=features&bhcp=1
ok it is a rdps class but it can also do mdps making it a tactical class as it states if a bw and a sw were out rdpsing each other the bright wizard will win we are a very hard class to play and it says in that interview that is what mythic has said they have wanted

I don't know why you think that would make a BW less hard to play. As a BW you have to be aware as much as a SW of your surroundings, because if you get caught unaware you die fast. A SW has to do it, so he is most effective at every range. A BW has to cope with backlash from strong spells, a thing we don't have to do, where we have the stance thing.

For the melee thing, what Ritz said is the most likely thing. Your melee will enhance your survavibility, will give you an edge at close range against classes like a Soceress, and probalby give you the chances to get back to range again, before you die. But you won't be able to dish it out with a MDPS or Tank at close range.

For me the best thing about the SW is skirmish, because what I hated most about my fire mage in WOW was that when I had to move, I got absolutly useless.

[ChosenOne]

The reason why I love the Shadow Warrior is the fact that there are all these other over the top classes. Crazy damage dealing magic users that can blow up everything around them. Massive humanoid tanks that could probably bull rush through a brick wall. Crazy insane northmen who's bodies contort and change at their whim. The list goes on.

Then there is my class. I have my bow, and my single non-outstanding sword. Yet, I plan to not only survive but become a well known name on the battlefield with just my bow and my sword, oh and with those sweet looking upper tier SW gear sets. Yes, I like the pseudo ninja elf look. Its like the equalizer for this single sword and bow user. It doesnt outdamage the other rdps classes at range and it doesnt outdamage the mdps at melee but I plan to be there the entire time and to be a serious threat none the less.

Thats why I love this class. Because its the most "normal" out of them all. A survivalist.

[Velryn]

The reason why I love the Shadow Warrior is the fact that there are all these other over the top classes. Crazy damage dealing magic users that can blow up everything around them. Massive humanoid tanks that could probably bull rush through a brick wall. Crazy insane northmen who's bodies contort and change at their whim. The list goes on.

Then there is my class. I have my bow, and my single non-outstanding sword. Yet, I plan to not only survive but become a well known name on the battlefield with just my bow and my sword, oh and with those sweet looking upper tier SW gear sets. Yes, I like the pseudo ninja elf look. Its like the equalizer for this single sword and bow user. It doesnt outdamage the other rdps classes at range and it doesnt outdamage the mdps at melee but I plan to be there the entire time and to be a serious threat none the less.

Thats why I love this class. Because its the most "normal" out of them all. A survivalist.

Yes, but still badass all the same.

[ChosenOne]

Yes, but still badass all the same.

For a survivalist to survive and take out his vengeance amongst all these others then he must be a badass survivalist.

[mister chief]

I don't know why you think that would make a BW less hard to play. As a BW you have to be aware as much as a SW of your surroundings, because if you get caught unaware you die fast. A SW has to do it, so he is most effective at every range. A BW has to cope with backlash from strong spells, a thing we don't have to do, where we have the stance thing.

For the melee thing, what Ritz said is the most likely thing. Your melee will enhance your survavibility, will give you an edge at close range against classes like a Soceress, and probalby give you the chances to get back to range again, before you die. But you won't be able to dish it out with a MDPS or Tank at close range.

For me the best thing about the SW is skirmish, because what I hated most about my fire mage in WOW was that when I had to move, I got absolutly useless.
thats what i have been trying to say i mean sw have to worry about their enemies position while the bw has to worry about back lash and ive been trying to say the sw has an advantage against other rdpsers thx kaelrador:D

[VeriusCarth]

I've personally loved Shadow Warriors ever since I saw the picture of one stabbing a Dark Elf through the head with his sword in the 6th ed. codex.


Unfortunately though, I feel hesitant to jump on the prospect of playing one, since I don't really want to play an extraordinarily over-played class, and I fear SW will be. Also, I'll probably be sore about the lack of healing.

Hard to get past not wanting everyone to play your class, as an old time Druid. :(

[Aelthurian Elthrai]

Yeah, I also liked the Shadow Warriors from before finding out they were in WAR, very happy with how they are looking atm. As far as rolling one, I'm hoping that the Shadow Warrior will be a tricky class to play right, so that the casual players who initially choose it only cause it looks and sounds cool (cause what's cooler than Shadows? Nothing, that's what.) will give up and play another class, so restoring the class balance. If it doesn't work out that way and it's overplayed I'll keep playing, and hope my skill is good enough to make me stand out from the crowd...

Though over at Tor Anroc we have more Swordmasters and (potential) White Lions than Shadow Warriors, so that's either indicative of the overall spread of population among pre-releasers at this point (promising), or shows that most Shadow Warrior players are casual so aren't that interested in guilds, so may therefore be heavily populated...

[Kaeldor]

I've personally loved Shadow Warriors ever since I saw the picture of one stabbing a Dark Elf through the head with his sword in the 6th ed. codex.


Unfortunately though, I feel hesitant to jump on the prospect of playing one, since I don't really want to play an extraordinarily over-played class, and I fear SW will be. Also, I'll probably be sore about the lack of healing.

Hard to get past not wanting everyone to play your class, as an old time Druid. :(

Try the class and if you like how it plays, why care how many others will play it. I also guess there will be many playing it. As Aelthurian pointed out it has SHADOW in it's name, it's the only ranger like class in the game, and it seems to have a great mechanic which makes it fun to play. But if you like it play it.

[VeriusCarth]

Try the class and if you like how it plays, why care how many others will play it. I also guess there will be many playing it. As Aelthurian pointed out it has SHADOW in it's name, it's the only ranger like class in the game, and it seems to have a great mechanic which makes it fun to play. But if you like it play it.

I tend to follow that idea, normally.

I just realize that it is indeed harder to play such a game as WAR if there is an imbalance of people playing your class.

I've grown spoiled with the fact that there's almost never another (or at least there are very few) druids around when I play.

I do expect to give Shadow Warrior a go. I've always loved bows, and I feel like it'd be right up my alley, honestly.

[Eredhel]

As far as rolling one, I'm hoping that the Shadow Warrior will be a tricky class to play right, so that the casual players who initially choose it only cause it looks and sounds cool (cause what's cooler than Shadows? Nothing, that's what.) will give up and play another class, so restoring the class balance. If it doesn't work out that way and it's overplayed I'll keep playing, and hope my skill is good enough to make me stand out from the crowd...

That's exactly what I am hoping for too. :)

[Kaeldor]

I tend to follow that idea, normally.

I just realize that it is indeed harder to play such a game as WAR if there is an imbalance of people playing your class.

I've grown spoiled with the fact that there's almost never another (or at least there are very few) druids around when I play.

I do expect to give Shadow Warrior a go. I've always loved bows, and I feel like it'd be right up my alley, honestly.

Yup, try it, if you have a blast, you probalby won't care in the end. My first character in WOW was a Warlock, because I loved the theme of it then, I played that one until level 54, but was never really happy with it. Then just for fun I started a mage, loved it, and plyed that one for the next three years. I kind of knew after a few levels, ok this is my class. I hope I get the same feeling with the SW, if not I'll try an Archmage next, and then the bright wizard or socerer.

[ChosenOne]

If you compare the look of the shadow warrior with the other three High Elf classes it stands out the least and its look is not going to be as glossy as the others. Meaning if you lined up a fully decked out Archmage, Swordmaster, White Lion, and a Shadow Warrior the shadow warrior will not stand out as much to the average player. Perhaps it will to us fans of it but to everyone else its not as flashy. Atleast thats my hope. ;)

[Eredhel]

If you compare the look of the shadow warrior with the other three High Elf classes it stands out the least and its look is not going to be as glossy as the others. Meaning if you lined up a fully decked out Archmage, Swordmaster, White Lion, and a Shadow Warrior the shadow warrior will not stand out as much to the average player. Perhaps it will to us fans of it but to everyone else its not as flashy. Atleast thats my hope. ;)

Yeah but a lot of people will look at our masks and our hooded cloaks and our bows and go AWESOME!!! :(

[ChosenOne]

Yeah but a lot of people will look at our masks and our hooded cloaks and our bows and go AWESOME!!! :(

Yeah, Im just hoping its not the majority of High Elf players.

I know I personally am going to play my shadow warrior on an RP server and I am hoping to either find or start up a pure shadow warrior clan guild. Can still ally up with some other guilds but I really like the storyline of the shadow warriors and thats part of why I want to play one.

[Eredhel]

I know I personally am going to play my shadow warrior on an RP server and I am hoping to either find or start up a pure shadow warrior clan guild. Can still ally up with some other guilds but I really like the storyline of the shadow warriors and thats part of why I want to play one.

Ooooo that sounds cool. If I wasn't already in a guild I'd join :D

[VeriusCarth]

If you compare the look of the shadow warrior with the other three High Elf classes it stands out the least and its look is not going to be as glossy as the others. Meaning if you lined up a fully decked out Archmage, Swordmaster, White Lion, and a Shadow Warrior the shadow warrior will not stand out as much to the average player. Perhaps it will to us fans of it but to everyone else its not as flashy. Atleast thats my hope. ;)

Actually, with the dark cloaks, and face masks as well as ornate quivers / bows, you're going to stand out the most, out of those Asur. Since you'll be the most different of them. However, when compared with all the classes in the game, that might be a different story.

Yeah, Im just hoping its not the majority of High Elf players.

I know I personally am going to play my shadow warrior on an RP server and I am hoping to either find or start up a pure shadow warrior clan guild. Can still ally up with some other guilds but I really like the storyline of the shadow warriors and thats part of why I want to play one.

That sounds like it'd be a lot of fun. Especially if you had organized events, because seeing a bunch of Shadow Warriors running around and working as a big group for something would be pretty cool.

[ChosenOne]

Actually, with the dark cloaks, and face masks as well as ornate quivers / bows, you're going to stand out the most, out of those Asur. Since you'll be the most different of them. However, when compared with all the classes in the game, that might be a different story.



That sounds like it'd be a lot of fun. Especially if you had organized events, because seeing a bunch of Shadow Warriors running around and working as a big group for something would be pretty cool.

Well, the first comment really depends on a person's tastes I suppose.

The last part in what it is in regards to, it makes alot of sense to me as these shadow warriors were their own clan. Their tactical gameplay allows them to work as a unit. Having your front line Melee/Skirmish players. A couple that have very effective aoe root/snares like we saw in the TTH video. Then your next line of skirmishers that with all of them running and gunning that provides a blanketing cover of confusion infront of the longer range scouts who are laying on the damage. If it works well, then the snares should also allow for those who get injured badly to run out and use a potion. Yes, we will have to get the apothecary figured out.

I figure though that if it works well enough we will have some allies requesting to run with us at times and we can take a few archmages for obvious reasons.

Would be times that we would run with our guild like this and then during the heavy duty RvR fights and sieges we would then work with our allies.

[Kaeldor]

I know I personally am going to play my shadow warrior on an RP server and I am hoping to either find or start up a pure shadow warrior clan guild. Can still ally up with some other guilds but I really like the storyline of the shadow warriors and thats part of why I want to play one.

Sounds like a nice idea, fitting with the SW background, and with the versality of our class, this should also work fairly well.

[Velryn]

To be honest I really don't give how over populated the class is. Sure I would like it to be less populated but you know all the people rolling solely on looks will re roll in a month or so once they realize that this class is not just a WoW huntard three button ez mode, but rather a tactical class that takes strategy. I admit that yes part of the reason I am rolling Shadow Warrior is looks, and back story, but also because I love the mechanics and the overall concept of the class.

[Kaeldor]

To be honest I really don't give how over populated the class is. Sure I would like it to be less populated but you know all the people rolling solely on looks will re roll in a month or so once they realize that this class is not just a WoW huntard three button ez mode, but rather a tactical class that takes strategy. I admit that yes part of the reason I am rolling Shadow Warrior is looks, and back story, but also because I love the mechanics and the overall concept of the class.

Gernerally I doubt that we get anything like the WoW hunter for any of the classes. There are just too many interesting classes out there. This game will be a nightmare for alt junkies.

That said even if the SW is kind of "difficult" to play, if they really manage to make them work like what we saw in this new vid., there will be a lot of people playing SWs, even some people I bet who wouldn't play a elf normally. The mechanics of this class are just too interesting.

[ChosenOne]

For anyone who would question that the shadow warrior will be more difficult to master, just watch Adam try to show off the skills in this interview.

It put a big smile on my face to see him have trouble.

"Whoops, we will have to wait another 10 seconds before I can show you that skill thanks to me messing up"

Ok, so its not an exact quote but its generally the same. ;)

It wasnt the only mess up, I didnt mind the mess ups at all. I liked seeing he couldnt just sit right down and show it off. Possibly my favorite part of the vid.