Comment from the StraticsHOC

[Maelos]

"Black Guard is a ball of burning hot boiling rage that eats casters for breakfast.."

Win.

[thedan]

and some have said that a spork is a good thing.

[dynamo112]

Im just gonna quote myself from the thread with the whole chat log.


Mmmm..as one of the peeps whose been waiting on BG info I cant say im to excited to hear that they will be angry elfs killing casters...I mean isnt that what DPS careers are supposed to do..? Im okay with the fact that they could be able to soak up more magic damage..or a magic tank, but specializing in KILLING casters doesnt exactly tickle my fancy. *sigh*

Im not gonna abandon ship so soon on the career until we can get some solid information but as of right now im not thrilled with the way it's turning out mechanics wise.


That's pretty much how I feel on it..

I know some of you other BG's like the fact that you can specialize in killing casters (since casters are actually the anti tank archetype) but I may find myself leaning toward a black orc if this actually is the case. I was hoping for a more offensive tank able to soak up physical damage and have melee brawls but running around killing clothies aint my cup of tea.

[Ominous Anonymous]

I know there hasn't been a ton of BG info lately, but that's no excuse to treat a flimsy comment as concrete evidence. :P

[Gnashfang]

"Black Guard is a ball of burning hot boiling rage that eats casters for breakfast.."
Then a bright wizard cooks the Black Guard for dinner.

[Jinsei]

Then a bright wizard cooks the Black Guard for dinner.
you can't cook that which is always simmering with eternal fury.

[ChosenOne]

You guys know how they overhype certain aspects of these classes at times. That was hardly an "official" statement. That was a statement made off the cuff.

Of the three tanks it has the higher magical resistance I'm sure and its Hatred mechanic will build as its attacked and possibly with a few other methods. So if casters attacks on it are weakened due to its magical resistance then that would mean it can survive against them much longer then perhaps any other class.

If it can take on the casters and keep them busy and running instead of killing your allies then that to me is indeed a definition of a "tank". Lets be real though, its a Dark Elf. Its not going to be as big and tough as a Black Orc, or a chaos energy infused Chosen.

I personally cant wait to hear more about it. Definately the destruction tank Im most interested in.

[Jinsei]

The whole "Destroys Casters" things fits well with BGs being Malekith's personal guard and we all know how scared Malekith is of male casters. It's only fitting that his elite can smash caster face

[ChosenOne]

Also I call haxors on Shalaa!

*Shalaa* Can you modify your statistics such as strength, intelligence etc when you gain a level or are they pre defined for each class?

*Shalaa* Does the game have its own voice chat option for groups?


I counted only six questions in between them as well. So...how did you do it? ;)

[Despero]

It is an infuriating quote in terms of its shallowness and ambiguity, but not nearly so much as Paul's video "presentation" on the Black Guard. It was absolutely painful to endure.

[ChosenOne]

Its infuriating because some folks are trying to use these chats to push forward the schedule of information release that Mythic has set forward for themselves. Its your own fault that you are infuriated by your belief that you could do such.

[Zether]

Q: You know what goes "Cast, cast, cast ... Plop, flub, thunk?

A: A caster in three pieces :D

[Relentless]

Order has two full and two partial casters. I don't particularly relish the idea of black guards leaving what has been established as the tanks' role, smashing melee. If I wanted to do that I'd play something like a marauder. Not that I'm going to jump to hasty conclusions based off that statement alone, but it's definitely wait and see at this point.

[Hoodwink]

Anything is better than an aura twisting tank, imo.

As a Black Guard you will eat casters in PvP.

[ChosenOne]

Tanks in this game naturally are better against melee dps. I doubt blackguard wont be. Lets look at them.

They are heavily armored. That gives them a major advantage against melee dps.

They will be wielding a two handed weapon most likely which means big hits on the lesser armored melee dps.

Melee dps hit many times with less damage per shot. If the blackguards hatred meter rises per attack on it then this is ideal for the blackguard.


Whats this tell me? Blackguards are going to beat down melee dps and the melee dps's rdps friends are not going to be able to help him as much due to their magic being resisted more by the blackguard then any other tank.

How is this bad again?

[ShiroRX]

We are a more balanced tank it seems like, similar to Swordmasters. It hedges out our serious weakness however since their are only 2 non-magic ranged dps that we'd face, Engineers and Shadow Warriors. If we also get a skill similar to Wall of Darting Steel I really think we'll be one of the best RvR tanks.

While we still wouldn't be primary targets for melee dps because of our heavy armor mitigation, we'd ideally be a more offensively driven tank with high magical absorption...sounds like a winning combination for 6 mans.

I have a feeling tanks in general will be the hardest to play well, with many being "OMG 2HAND DPS" Chosen and Swordmasters. (Chosen will be way more popular than Black Guard methinks, while they look cool I don't think people like the thin elf look over the imposing look norse Chosen)

[Relentless]

Tanks in this game naturally are better against melee dps. I doubt blackguard wont be. Lets look at them.

They are heavily armored. That gives them a major advantage against melee dps.

They will be wielding a two handed weapon most likely which means big hits on the lesser armored melee dps.

Melee dps hit many times with less damage per shot. If the blackguards hatred meter rises per attack on it then this is ideal for the blackguard.


Whats this tell me? Blackguards are going to beat down melee dps and the melee dps's rdps friends are not going to be able to help him as much due to their magic being resisted more by the blackguard then any other tank.

How is this bad again?

It's not necessarily a bad thing. It could be, but it's hardly a guarantee. I'm just a bit worried we're going to fall a bit too much into the melee dps category by munching on magic users, the dark elves already have that role filled with witch elves. But admittedly I don't know enough about Mythic's balancing scheme to know just where they're taking this.

[sophialvzu]

I just like how paul described the black guards, that totally won me over. That bloke could sell a tampon to a guy!

:twisted:Sophia -x-

[Despero]

Its infuriating because some folks are trying to use these chats to push forward the schedule of information release that Mythic has set forward for themselves. Its your own fault that you are infuriated by your belief that you could do such.

To whom are you speaking? I did not voice this opinion.

And, in the event that I did, what purpose do you think chats serve if not for a medium through which to push new questions and learn new information?

At the very least he could have more honestly replied, "We are not allowed to speak on the subject of the Black Guard," instead of handing us this ridiculous remark.

[ChosenOne]

To whom are you speaking? I did not voice this opinion.

And, in the event that I did, what purpose do you think chats serve if not for a medium through which to push new questions and learn new information?

At the very least he could have more honestly replied, "We are not allowed to speak on the subject of the Black Guard," instead of handing us this ridiculous remark.

Alright, I will give you that last part. We all know though how much control marketing has on what gets released and when. I hardly think their big plan is to let such big releases out on an irc chat. They are best used to ask more indepth questions about recently released information. Just my opinion of course.

[Despero]

We all know though how much control marketing has on what gets released and when. I hardly think their big plan is to let such big releases out on an irc chat. They are best used to ask more indepth questions about recently released information. Just my opinion of course.

I agree. We may not be hearing much concerning the Black Guard because the class's abilities are somewhat undecided at this point.

[Selendor]

We are a more balanced tank it seems like, similar to Swordmasters. It hedges out our serious weakness however since their are only 2 non-magic ranged dps that we'd face, Engineers and Shadow Warriors. If we also get a skill similar to Wall of Darting Steel I really think we'll be one of the best RvR tanks.


I agree with this. If a normal tank has a 75% chance of beating a melee DPS class and a 25% chance of beating a ranged class, a Black Guard or a Swordmaster might have a 50% chance of beating each. You lose a bit of your archetype advantage, but you also cover your weakness. That's a good spot to be in if you're a skilled player.

[Gnashfang]

you can't cook that which is always simmering with eternal fury.

True, wouldn't want to overcook.
Scratch first suggestion, instead just eat him.

[Jinsei]

True, wouldn't want to overcook.
Scratch first suggestion, instead just eat him.
Our spikey armor does have it's uses when being eaten alive. I'd love to see the digestive tract of the poor who thought that a Black Guard would make a nice meal, if it were even possible for them to get close enough before being sliced into 3 pieces :twisted:

[Estebar]

One thing worth considering.

Just how popular would a DPS-focused Path of Mastery be if it was called something like...

...Path of the Executioner. :cool: