View Full Version : Shadow Warriors with shields?!!!
Velryn
04-17-2008, 06:57 PM
Ok I was as surprised as you are reading this when I saw this pic: http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/herald/images/newsfromthefront/hede_ss_8.jpg
Ok if you notice in the upper right there is what I believe is a Shadow Warrior due to his green helm design and has no kilt, and he is clearly using a sword and a High Elf shield.
Swanie
04-17-2008, 06:59 PM
Female Swordmaster IMO.
CaptainAwesome
04-17-2008, 07:01 PM
I believe that is a sword master since SM's can wield sword and board along with the other tank careers although their abilities are more specialized in great weapons
Gemini
04-17-2008, 07:02 PM
Female Swordmaster IMO.
Agreed. It's just a SM helm died green, or least thats what it looks like to me.
Velryn
04-17-2008, 07:14 PM
Agreed. It's just a SM helm died green, or least thats what it looks like to me.
Only problem that it has no kilt, and I'm pretty sure all swordmasters have a Kilt like article of clothing.
edit :Zoom in on the figure, if you're looking at the right one, and you should see it. If you don't zoom in it won't be obvious.
Swanie
04-17-2008, 07:26 PM
Only problem that it has no kilt, and I'm pretty sure all swordmasters have a Kilt like article of clothing.
edit :Zoom in on the figure, if you're looking at the right one, and you should see it. If you don't zoom in it won't be obvious.
I see the one your talking about but that is a SM shield. It just has a different type of armor not all the SM's will have kilts
NaiHasu
04-17-2008, 07:33 PM
I see the one your talking about but that is a SM shield. It just has a different type of armor not all the SM's will have kilts
That in addition to the boots being different from every other SW and the scale-mail pattern of the armor and skirtting of said armor in comparison to the leather and cloth of the SW's
I agree with the others... female SM
Hrafn
04-17-2008, 07:39 PM
Yeah, if you look at the helm its the same as the other SM helms, so definitely a SwordMaster and not a Shadow-Warrior.
What it does show though is that Swordmasters have armour available that doesn't include the surcoat-skirt which is a bonus from my point of view.
Vallen
04-17-2008, 10:02 PM
Another sign that its a SM is that all the SWs have swords on them, and one is useing a sword(just behind the SM in question) who has a Bow on his back. The SM has no other weapons, if it was a SW there would be a bow wouldn't there?
Alkarin
04-17-2008, 10:18 PM
omg so many shadow warriors. cant wait till i get to run up to them all and PUNCH THEM ALL IN THE FACE SAYING 'HA SHOULDA ROLLED A MELEE CLASS!'
also. since im not in beta. looks like this a tier 2 fight. by the looks of the shadow warrior and archmage.
Vaeronthar
04-17-2008, 10:32 PM
Seems like a female SM to me also.
But is it really a big deal if Shadow Warriors get shields? If it comes in handy, a Shadow Warrior has undoubtedly used it at one point or another. Shields aren't actually contrary to their fluff. Unlikely, perhaps, but we're talking one out of over a dozen. Doesn't really seem out of place to me.
Hrafn
04-17-2008, 10:58 PM
Seems like a female SM to me also.
But is it really a big deal if Shadow Warriors get shields? If it comes in handy, a Shadow Warrior has undoubtedly used it at one point or another. Shields aren't actually contrary to their fluff. Unlikely, perhaps, but we're talking one out of over a dozen. Doesn't really seem out of place to me.
Given the theme behind them, I would have pictured Shadow Warriors as more of the Sword & Dagger type when meleeing.
Vaeronthar
04-17-2008, 11:08 PM
Primarily, sure. But don't expect a Shadow Warrior to reject anything that might be useful. They're very pragmatic, sensible elves. And, well, a sword just can't block an arrow, can it?
Swanie
04-17-2008, 11:10 PM
Primarily, sure. But don't expect a Shadow Warrior to reject anything that might be useful. They're very pragmatic, sensible elves. And, well, a sword just can't block an arrow, can it?
Well a Swordmaster can block arrows with his sword... lol Nah i see your point though.
Aelthurian Elthrai
04-18-2008, 04:11 AM
Agreed. It's just a SM helm died green, or least thats what it looks like to me.
Both the SW and SW in these screenshots have the same shaped helms. ALL the other SMs with dyed helms have a blue helm, ALL the other SWs have a green helm, so this is probably more evident of a SW...
Only problem that it has no kilt, and I'm pretty sure all swordmasters have a Kilt like article of clothing.
They should do, if Mythic have kept to their initial idea of instantly recognisable classes.
That in addition to the boots being different from every other SW and the scale-mail pattern of the armor and skirtting of said armor in comparison to the leather and cloth of the SW's
I agree with the others... female SM
However, the boots and armour are MORE different from all the other SMs shown, so not evidence for a SM identity at all, and as scale armour is known from concept art to be a probable of high level SWs this means that it is more likely to be a higher level SW from your argument.
I see the one your talking about but that is a SM shield. It just has a different type of armor not all the SM's will have kilts
Both these comments are pure speculation - we have no idea whether there are class specific shields. As for different armour styles, we have more information suggesting against this idea than for at this point.
What it does show though is that Swordmasters have armour available that doesn't include the surcoat-skirt which is a bonus from my point of view.
No it doesn't, you're speculating - we have no idea what class this is. It's just as likely the 4th class for the HEs as anything else, so we can't just jump to conclusions. It's like me looking at this screen (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/herald/images/newsfromthefront/hede_ss_3.jpg) and concluding that SMs will be able to use bows.
In my opinion, this is either an NPC or the 4th class - we can see a similar one in this screen here (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/herald/images/newsfromthefront/hede_ss_15.jpg). The armour and weapons are the same, only the helmet is different. I find it interesting that there is one of these guys involved in RvR, and has a customised helm on...
Swanie
04-18-2008, 09:15 AM
Both the SW and SW in these screenshots have the same shaped helms. ALL the other SMs with dyed helms have a blue helm, ALL the other SWs have a green helm, so this is probably more evident of a SW...
They should do, if Mythic have kept to their initial idea of instantly recognisable classes.
However, the boots and armour are MORE different from all the other SMs shown, so not evidence for a SM identity at all, and as scale armour is known from concept art to be a probable of high level SWs this means that it is more likely to be a higher level SW from your argument.
Both these comments are pure speculation - we have no idea whether there are class specific shields. As for different armour styles, we have more information suggesting against this idea than for at this point.
No it doesn't, you're speculating - we have no idea what class this is. It's just as likely the 4th class for the HEs as anything else, so we can't just jump to conclusions. It's like me looking at this screen (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/herald/images/newsfromthefront/hede_ss_3.jpg) and concluding that SMs will be able to use bows.
In my opinion, this is either an NPC or the 4th class - we can see a similar one in this screen here (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/herald/images/newsfromthefront/hede_ss_15.jpg). The armour and weapons are the same, only the helmet is different. I find it interesting that there is one of these guys involved in RvR, and has a customised helm on...
Well it seems your speculating too. Don't call foul if your doing it too.
We have never seen a female Swordmaster. Maybe the female swordmasters dont wear the kilts and wear that instead.
It is definitely not the 4th class, Mythic chooses carefully the screenshots to use and wouldn't just clearly show the 4th class early, not like that anyway. Also if thats the 4th class then what the hell would say it is? And it can't be an NPC because it is so mismatched an NPC would look fairly different and would IMO be easily identified.
And finally where is his/her bow? Regardless of what Shadow Warriors use its bow is always on its back. This one has no bow. You can also see eve ry SW with its sword sheathed which shows even when not using the weapon unlike WoW it is still on your person.
Aelthurian Elthrai
04-18-2008, 10:28 AM
Well it seems your speculating too. Don't call foul if your doing it too.
We have never seen a female Swordmaster. Maybe the female swordmasters dont wear the kilts and wear that instead.
Um, where exactly have I said speculation was wrong? Speculation is fine, as long as you say you're speculating and that it's based on evidence. I was criticising the argument that "it's not this, so therefore it MUST be a SM...". All that I have said was that certain things were more likely from known dev statements, and stated my opinion based again on that evidence.
And yes, perhaps it is the female swordmaster. The difference between the speculation before that I was criticising, and your's here is that here it was prefixed with 'maybe' a statement to say it was a speculation. And that's fine. Before, you were unequivocal about how 'not all the SM's will have kilts', citing no evidence whatsoever.
Just found this picture (http://topbob.net/warhammer/swordmaster.jpg). I'm now thinking that it's probably not a female SM, cause evidently they do have kilts.
It is definitely not the 4th class, Mythic chooses carefully the screenshots to use and wouldn't just clearly show the 4th class early, not like that anyway. Also if thats the 4th class then what the hell would say it is?
My point here would be, I suppose, 'what the hell would say it ISN'T?'. Yes they are very careful with screenshots... except the one at a convention they released showing a Witch Elf fighting a White Lion. They do make mistakes, from time to time. But they have never said what the 4th class is, or what it will look like. It could just as easily be a White Lion without it's lion or lionskin cloak. Perhaps those are unlocked later...
And it can't be an NPC because it is so mismatched an NPC would look fairly different and would IMO be easily identified.
'Mismatched' means kinda the same as 'fairly different' so I'm not really sure what you mean here. And identification of NPCs could be done by labels floating above heads, which seem mostly to have been disabled in the screenshots. Again, there is not enough evidence either way to say if it's an NPC or not - I merely stated what I though most likely.
And finally where is his/her bow? Regardless of what Shadow Warriors use its bow is always on its back. This one has no bow. You can also see eve ry SW with its sword sheathed which shows even when not using the weapon unlike WoW it is still on your person.
Check the male elf to the left... long skirt, bow. Probably an archer, but that wasn't my original point was it?
Gemini
04-18-2008, 12:32 PM
That second screenshot sure looks like a Swordmaster to me. Why do you think thats the MDPS class?
NaiHasu
04-18-2008, 12:42 PM
However, the boots and armour are MORE different from all the other SMs shown, so not evidence for a SM identity at all, and as scale armour is known from concept art to be a probable of high level SWs this means that it is more likely to be a higher level SW from your argument.
If you look closely, not even one of the other SW has the gold trim. the AMs do but the shin part shifts color to match their other accents. the SMs however ALL have brown boots with gold trim. that was my point when i made that observation. the armor is yes more dissimilar, however the only other class on that screenshot with that particular texture (albeit a different color and armor) is the SM.
but i always appreciate devil's advocates... they make you think... unless they are just playing the role to ammuse themselves. Anyway, I'm still convinced its just another armor set on a female SM or as someone else mentioned an NPC... only things that make sense at this point in time to me.
Velryn
04-18-2008, 01:20 PM
If you look closely, not even one of the other SW has the gold trim. the AMs do but the shin part shifts color to match their other accents. the SMs however ALL have brown boots with gold trim. that was my point when i made that observation. the armor is yes more dissimilar, however the only other class on that screenshot with that particular texture (albeit a different color and armor) is the SM.
but i always appreciate devil's advocates... they make you think... unless they are just playing the role to ammuse themselves. Anyway, I'm still convinced its just another armor set on a female SM or as someone else mentioned an NPC... only things that make sense at this point in time to me.
Well thanks for calling me the Devil. I'll see you down here sooner or later I'm sure. Any way I think Aelthurian's argument was rather good. My guess is that I got too excited when I saw it and it's an NPC. And I love how you responded to a single one of his arguments.
Either way I have been following this game and a part of this forum for a long time and Aelthurian is considered a friend of mine on these servers. I was delirious from heat and extremely excited about the new images when I posted this, but seriously why is everyone so damned close minded. Ok so now I'm the black sheep.
edit: Sorry went a little overboard. We need to cut the flaming and get th is back on track before we get volcanoed NOW.
MHDShogun
04-18-2008, 02:09 PM
If you look closely, not even one of the other SW has the gold trim. the AMs do but the shin part shifts color to match their other accents. the SMs however ALL have brown boots with gold trim. that was my point when i made that observation. the armor is yes more dissimilar, however the only other class on that screenshot with that particular texture (albeit a different color and armor) is the SM.
but i always appreciate devil's advocates... they make you think... unless they are just playing the role to ammuse themselves. Anyway, I'm still convinced its just another armor set on a female SM or as someone else mentioned an NPC... only things that make sense at this point in time to me.
Lol, this isn't close minded at all, and he pretty much answered everyone's questions here.
Ok, really though, for one thing, I count about 8 SWs with gray helms (one of them might be blue), 4 with green, and 7 without helms. There are some with capes, and some without, and there are both males and females. And in case you didn't notice, all 19 of those shadow warriors have the exact same armor. This is beta, and they are in RvR testing right now, so they have a ton of premade characters with the same armor. So I think that SW is out (especially since they can't use shields).
If you look far back on the right (between a SW shooting his bow and a female AM casting a spell) (zoom in) you can see a clearly female swordmaster (as evidenced by the prominent breasts), and she has the kilt as well, so I think female SM just having different armor is out.
Obviously it's not an archmage.
In case you didn't know, since the HE MDPS isn't out yet, they are using the WH as MDPS in the elf areas, and there are two, one on the far left and one on the far right. Also, they wouldn't release the HE MDPS in beta before it was announced, because even with the NDA, there is absolutely no way they would be able to cover that up, nor would they want to even bother or try, imo. So I think HE MDPS is out.
This leaves two options.
One is that it is a SM with a different armor set, which is unlikely since SM are supposed to have kilts, and all the other classes have the exact same armor, so if this were the case, someone would have had to have farmed like crazy to get that armor while everyone else was still in the new armor. Although one fact that supports this is if you look closely, the helm really is the same as the SM helm, because if you notice the SM helm is open-faced and the SW helm is close-faced (with a bandana-like thing covering the mouth). However, imo, this is highly unlikely.
This leaves just one other possibility, that it is an NPC. This is clearly what it is imo. The battle is most likely taking place next to the HE warcamp, and one of the DE players pulled an NPC guard. Or it could possibly be a PQ that had HE NPCs fighting in it if you notice all of the WE corpses on the ground, which don't appear to be PC corpses because they disappear when someone reses, so they are NPCs unless the HE players coordinated to kill about 10 DE players, which almost all happened to be WEs, within 1 minute.
Anyway, but w/e, this is all speculation.
Edit: Interesting thing about that screenshot, is by my count, there are more SWs in it than all of the other order classes combined, because I see 19 SW, and 17 SMs+AMs+WHs+Our Mystery Character combined.
Velryn
04-18-2008, 02:52 PM
Lol, this isn't close minded at all, and he pretty much answered everyone's questions here.
Ok, really though, for one thing, I count about 8 SWs with gray helms (one of them might be blue), 4 with green, and 7 without helms. There are some with capes, and some without, and there are both males and females. And in case you didn't notice, all 19 of those shadow warriors have the exact same armor. This is beta, and they are in RvR testing right now, so they have a ton of premade characters with the same armor. So I think that SW is out (especially since they can't use shields).
If you look far back on the right (between a SW shooting his bow and a female AM casting a spell) (zoom in) you can see a clearly female swordmaster (as evidenced by the prominent breasts), and she has the kilt as well, so I think female SM just having different armor is out.
Obviously it's not an archmage.
In case you didn't know, since the HE MDPS isn't out yet, they are using the WH as MDPS in the elf areas, and there are two, one on the far left and one on the far right. Also, they wouldn't release the HE MDPS in beta before it was announced, because even with the NDA, there is absolutely no way they would be able to cover that up, nor would they want to even bother or try, imo. So I think HE MDPS is out.
This leaves two options.
One is that it is a SM with a different armor set, which is unlikely since SM are supposed to have kilts, and all the other classes have the exact same armor, so if this were the case, someone would have had to have farmed like crazy to get that armor while everyone else was still in the new armor. Although one fact that supports this is if you look closely, the helm really is the same as the SM helm, because if you notice the SM helm is open-faced and the SW helm is close-faced (with a bandana-like thing covering the mouth). However, imo, this is highly unlikely.
This leaves just one other possibility, that it is an NPC. This is clearly what it is imo. The battle is most likely taking place next to the HE warcamp, and one of the DE players pulled an NPC guard. Or it could possibly be a PQ that had HE NPCs fighting in it if you notice all of the WE corpses on the ground, which don't appear to be PC corpses because they disappear when someone reses, so they are NPCs unless the HE players coordinated to kill about 10 DE players, which almost all happened to be WEs, within 1 minute.
Anyway, but w/e, this is all speculation.
Edit: Interesting thing about that screenshot, is by my count, there are more SWs in it than all of the other order classes combined, because I see 19 SW, and 17 SMs+AMs+WHs+Our Mystery Character combined.
Ok maybe I was being a bit unreasonable, I'm just ridiculously pissed off right now and getting alot of Disrespect on the anonymous internet is just begging me to start swearing all I can, but instead I will be stoic and ignore my urge to randomly yell at people. Instead I'll just say I'm a dumb noob that doesn't know what he's talking about and has following the game since October. Anyway back on topic.
At this point I'm going to say that it is an NPC. It being a Melee DPS or Swordmaster as has been stated is highly unlikely. However If it is a Swordmaster I will be angry at mythic slightly for contradicting what they have said, and if I find out SWs can use shields I will go crazy with insane laughter saying "I WAS RIGHT!!! HAHAHA" like I did with a certain O-W thread.:p
Aelthurian Elthrai
04-18-2008, 03:11 PM
if I find out SWs can use shields I will go crazy with insane laughter saying "I WAS RIGHT!!! HAHAHA" like I did with a certain O-W thread.:p
Now, that I have to see.... :D
Velryn
04-18-2008, 03:25 PM
Now, that I have to see.... :D
Not up any more on O-W, but I had a thread entitled New Elf Classes, in which I said that a friend found files of Mythic saying that the last 2 DE classes would be a Melee Healer and Sorc as RDPS. The head admin got angry and said I was spreading stupid untrue rumors ( this was like 4 months or so before we found out the final 2 elf classes). And I more or less got banned for it.
Dastion
04-18-2008, 09:44 PM
Well thanks for calling me the Devil. I'll see you down here sooner or later I'm sure. Any way I think Aelthurian's argument was rather good. My guess is that I got too excited when I saw it and it's an NPC. And I love how you responded to a single one of his arguments.
Either way I have been following this game and a part of this forum for a long time and Aelthurian is considered a friend of mine on these servers. I was delirious from heat and extremely excited about the new images when I posted this, but seriously why is everyone so damned close minded. Ok so now I'm the black sheep.
edit: Sorry went a little overboard. We need to cut the flaming and get th is back on track before we get volcanoed NOW.
Being called a "Devil's Advocate" is nowhere near to meaning you are the devil, though perhaps based on where you are from you may not know the slang. It simply means you're the person who forces someone to look at the side they'd rather not see. I.e. the person who says, "Well what if it doesn't go as planned?" ect. I tend to take it as a compliment, as many people have issues seeing the other side of things.
Moving on, I'm not sure which it is. But, given the lack of any other Shadow Warrior with a shield I do believe it is likely a Swordmaster. Seeing as how the possibilty of non-kilt/dress armor for a Swordmaster, or even a Swordmaster wearing a Shadow Warrior's Armor, and therefore "lower" armor is far more plausible than the idea that even one Shadow Warrior among so many is theo nly to decide to use such a large tank-like shield.
NaiHasu
04-18-2008, 10:04 PM
Being called a "Devil's Advocate" is nowhere near to meaning you are the devil, though perhaps based on where you are from you may not know the slang. It simply means you're the person who forces someone to look at the side they'd rather not see. I.e. the person who says, "Well what if it doesn't go as planned?" ect. I tend to take it as a compliment, as many people have issues seeing the other side of things.
Moving on, I'm not sure which it is. But, given the lack of any other Shadow Warrior with a shield I do believe it is likely a Swordmaster. Seeing as how the possibilty of non-kilt/dress armor for a Swordmaster, or even a Swordmaster wearing a Shadow Warrior's Armor, and therefore "lower" armor is far more plausible than the idea that even one Shadow Warrior among so many is theo nly to decide to use such a large tank-like shield.
thanks for explaining that for me... i completely forgot that not everyone would know that term.
but yeah, since npcs can have different armor, i'd definately say its a npc sm. only logical speculative conclusion in sight.
annnnd goodnight
Vallen
04-18-2008, 11:51 PM
I'm beginning to lean to NPC as well. While I said he doesn't have a bow on his back is pointing more to the NPC side. The only question is who is healing/buffing him? If its a general AOE buff why isn't the selected SW in on it? And if its not, who would waste mana to buff a guard?
Anyone see the Chosen to the far far left of the screen? Thats some pretty cool looking shoulder pads
Kaeldor
04-19-2008, 01:17 AM
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Obviously it's not an archmage.
No? Awwww damn!
Velryn
04-19-2008, 07:23 AM
thanks for explaining that for me... i completely forgot that not everyone would know that term.
but yeah, since npcs can have different armor, i'd definately say its a npc sm. only logical speculative conclusion in sight.
annnnd goodnight
Believe me I know the expression, I use it all the time in Debate class, I just don't like being the "metaphorical" devil. In fact I'm usually a bit of a Devil's Advocate myself. I was just annoyed and angry when I read your post and I dissected everything you said. It means to be speaking for the side that is less believed in or followed.
NaiHasu
04-19-2008, 09:54 AM
Believe me I know the expression, I use it all the time in Debate class, I just don't like being the "metaphorical" devil. In fact I'm usually a bit of a Devil's Advocate myself. I was just annoyed and angry when I read your post and I dissected everything you said. It means to be speaking for the side that is less believed in or followed.
once again i apoligize, i in no way meant to call you anything resembling a religious symbol beit good or bad.
(dictionary.com)
In common parlance (http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Parlance), a devil's advocate is someone who takes a position for the sake of argument (http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Logical_argument). This process can be used to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure.
that is all i meant by it, which i thought applied.
Tyrannar
04-19-2008, 10:10 AM
Being a Devil's Advocate is mostly a good thing to be honest. At least I consider it to be.
Velryn
04-19-2008, 12:25 PM
once again i apoligize, i in no way meant to call you anything resembling a religious symbol beit good or bad.
(dictionary.com)
In common parlance (http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Parlance), a devil's advocate is someone who takes a position for the sake of argument (http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Logical_argument). This process can be used to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure.
that is all i meant by it, which i thought applied.
I'm quite familiar with the expression (I'm a writer an I know just about any expression you can throw at me), and I apologize for acting the way I did. I just felt as though you where being Condescending, but in reality it was my own fault for being overly Naive. And yes I am one of those people that take up roll of Devils Advocate for Amusement myself so I know that feeling. The thing is that Aelthurian was being more then a Devil's Advocate he was being purely Open minded which is a quality I find like-able. However I think we can all agree at this point that it is an NPC of some sort. And welcome to WAR btw. The Shadow Warriors on this forum are very tightly knit so we do often support each other's arguments. Again I apologize for being rude.
Edit: While we're on the subject I think Devil's Advocates good name for a Destruction guild, or a Band called the Devil's Advocates.
Eredhel
04-20-2008, 06:00 AM
My first thoughts on seeing this screenshot is that is that its not a Shadow Warrior. Every single Shadow Warrior in this screenshot (and there is a bloody lot of them! :D) is not wearing any sort of mail amour, whereas this mystery figure is clearly wearing metallic armour.
Personally I think that it is an NPC guard for two reasons:
1. The figure in the background of this screenshot that was posted earlier: http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/herald/images/newsfromthefront/hede_ss_15.jpg
2. This battle is in the Shadowlands, so it stands to reason (from a purely conjectural point of view) that NPC guards that are Nagarytheans would adopt similar colour schemes to the Shadow Warriors without being SWs themselves.
Velryn
04-20-2008, 07:24 PM
1. The figure in the background of this screenshot that was posted earlier: http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/herald/images/newsfromthefront/hede_ss_15.jpg
Totally missed that one. Yes that pretty much supports the npc theory, and also that is a strange bug, it looks as if the shield wasn't meant for the figure, like it was pasted on, may haps it's a placeholder.
Dankard
04-21-2008, 08:15 AM
Actually this is a Low tier (on or so) Sword master wearing the low tier helmet etc... It's been said you can choose the color of allmost all your armor, so the color of the helmet is no hint at all.
I can tell you I'm 100% sure this is a low level Sword Master. It doesn't mean I know SW won't be able to use shields (but would be very surprising). But this just isn't a SW.
Syrak
04-21-2008, 09:47 AM
A Shadow Warrior is an RDPS. It is very unlikely they will be able to use a shield. Do not get your hopes up if that is something you want.
Someone that has good dps, can shoot arrows from long range, and kite you and then put on a shield if you get close or want to go defensive just screams overpowered.
The picture you are speaking of also is that of a Swordmaster.
Aelthurian Elthrai
04-21-2008, 10:37 AM
Actually this is a Low tier (on or so) Sword master wearing the low tier helmet etc...
I can tell you I'm 100% sure this is a low level Sword Master.
The picture you are speaking of also is that of a Swordmaster.
I don't think this is a SW either, except for when I first saw it and mistook the very similar armour style for that of the SW, but I'm not sure how people keep coming to the conclusion that it is a SM without citing any evidence to that effect.
Here's how I think the evidence stacks up:
Swordmasters using shields does not discount another class from using them.
The armour of this character is closer in appearance to that of a SW than SM.
The argument that the armour is SM because it is scale is flawed - we know from earlier screenshots that the SWs will have scale habergeons in higher tiers. The similarity in the armour shape to the other SWs could mean it's someone who found some high level armour. Realistically though, I don't find it likely that the only SW to have found this armour would be the only SW to also be using a shield.
Also by the same logic, it's unlikely that the only SM to have found high level armour would be the only SM to be wielding a shield.
Mythic have stated they want each class to be instantly recognisable - as there is dispute over what this character's class is, either Mythic changed their minds on the 'silhoette policy' or it's a PC/NPC class that we haven't seen yet.
In these screenshots other than for this one disputed character, ALL SWs have either metallic or green helmets, and ALL SMs have metallic or blue. Add to this that all the helmets are the same shape in both classes in the group RvR pictures, it makes little sense to assume that the helmet means it's a SM.
This screenshot (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/herald/images/newsfromthefront/hede_ss_15.jpg) shows a very similar character in the background. It differs in that the helmet here has wings, suggesting it's a Phoenix Guard or Dragon Prince most likely, and therefore an NPC. It is possible that it could be a SM helm, but from all the screenshots/concept art we have seen so far, the Mythic SM seems to have horsetail plumes and ribbons rather than wings.
If it's not a SM (which hopefully you can see is unlikely now), and is a PC then it's either a SW or the 4th class. Both these options seem equally unlikely to me - a SW with a shield would be unrealistic and overpowered as Syrak said, and Mythic (probably) wouldn't accidentally show us the 4th class... again.
So, the way I see it is that this is most likely an NPC. We have little to no evidence to say it is either a SW or a SM, both prospects are far more unlikely than that of it being an NPC when placed in the light of the evidence.
Velryn
04-21-2008, 01:56 PM
Listen people I don't necessarily want Shields to be for an SW (although it doesn't go against their fluff), but on the chance that they will be able to use shields I figured I'd post it rather than do the smart thing and ignore a possibility because I would get tons of replies and get treated like a noob :/ Whatever
Aelthurian Elthrai
04-21-2008, 02:25 PM
I did the same thing on the Tor Anroc forums dude. I'm just trying to get the guys who are so certain that it's a SM and discounting all other theories out of hand to see that there's evidence for other possibilities... Only a noob would think you were a noob for posting this thread.
Velryn
04-21-2008, 02:34 PM
I did the same thing on the Tor Anroc forums dude. I'm just trying to get the guys who are so certain that it's a SM and discounting all other theories out of hand to see that there's evidence for other possibilities... Only a noob would think you were a noob for posting this thread.
Thanks :D What I don't understand is why everyone is ignoring the fact that it has no Kilt. Who knows? Maybe we'll find out in the news letter if it's the 4th class, or maybe not. :D
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