Black Orcs in RvR

[Kamaul]

This is my first thread!

Anyways ><, I like playing the tank class in games, because in almost every MMO, there needed all the time, and you feel like your doing something important in the group, but, i also really like PvP. And in most other MMO's (Like WoW, for example) you either get gear for tanking, or you get gear for PvP. Now my question is, if i play a Black Orc, and then go into RvR, well i do enouigh damage to kill someone myself without relying on someone elses DPS? Im asking this because i read that in WAR there trying to make every class PvP viable, and im wondering if that is true.

Thanks!

[Grimgut Irontoof]

Short Answer; Yes

Long Answer; The only thing is, it will take you a longer time than other classess... Black Orcs are all about how much damage they can take, while throwing dirty shots at your opponents.

In the same way however, BOs vs other tanks, will depend on armor penetration via weapon skill, so battles wont last tooo long.

I think at least :cool:

[Kamaul]

Hehe, another thing that i like about them, we can take a hit ;)

But guess that can be frustrating at times too, fighting someone for a few minutes, almost beating them, then have someone show up and finish you off because the fight lasted to long ><

[Gemini]

Tanks are not about damage in PvP, they're about tanking. Unlike a lot of games, Mythic is actually making tanking abilities that work in PvP. All tanks have a taunt ability that when used on players reduces the damage they deal to everyone other than the tank by X amount, last I've seen was 30% or 50%. They all also have a gaurd ability that allows them to absorb some of the damage a nearby ally takes. And finally, each tank has their own special mechanic that will make you want to take them out. For the Black Orc, it's crowd control and debuffs.

[Kamaul]

I C, well Im glad to hear it! :D

One quick question, how do i get a display picture? I cant find anywhere on my profile to edit that ><

[Nikolaj]

"Edit Avatar" under "Settings and Options"

[Foul Being]

The awnser to your question is why i will not be playing an black orc.
Me no like long fights. I want fast dmge. And sum healing.

[Kamaul]

Awesome got my avatar, thanks :D

[Under_World]

Tanks are not about damage in PvP, they're about tanking. Unlike a lot of games, Mythic is actually making tanking abilities that work in PvP. All tanks have a taunt ability that when used on players reduces the damage they deal to everyone other than the tank by X amount, last I've seen was 30% or 50%. They all also have a gaurd ability that allows them to absorb some of the damage a nearby ally takes. And finally, each tank has their own special mechanic that will make you want to take them out. For the Black Orc, it's crowd control and debuffs.

While true, I forsee 2H DPS MTs being FAR FAR more popular than a defensive based role. 9s rear stun anyone?

[Gemini]

While true, I forsee 2H DPS MTs being FAR FAR more popular than a defensive based role. 9s rear stun anyone?

I won't argue the offensive being more popular, because I can't possibly begin to know that. But what 9s rear stun are you talking about, and how can you possibly know it exists?

[Under_World]

Annihilation (50 in Large Weapons)
Opening : Behind target
Fatigue : Medium
Damage : Medium
Attack : Very High Bonus
Defense : Medium Penalty
Special : Stunned - Stuns the target for a brief period of time. Duration 9 seconds

[Gemini]

Congratulations, you can copy and post a skill from another game. If I give you a cookie will you go back on topic?

[Munthalk]

Congratulations, you can copy and post a skill from another game. If I give you a cookie will you go back on topic?

.... You asked what skill he was talking about.

[Kruggak]

Well for destruction Black Orc is the most offensive of the 3 tank classes aimed more for DPS then taking damage but that doesnt mean he cant take a punch still. As far as im aware the Black Orc is a CC based Tank with combos and interrupts

I think Black Orc will be fun to RvR with as he will be doing CCs to anoy the enemy, taking a punch while doing an ok amount of DPS but none that will rival pure DPSers

[Haidran]

Well for destruction Black Orc is the most offensive of the 3 tank classes

We wont know this for sure until NDA is released, some think it will be black guard.

[CaptainAwesome]

*ignore this post*

[Gemini]

.... You asked what skill he was talking about.

Yeah, and I was under the impression we were still talking about the topic. Silly me.

And Captain, are ya sure that post was in the right thread?

[Malis]

Honestly i wouldnt be suprised if it went something like this.

BG - magic tank, highest DPS of tanks.
Chosen - highest physical resistance, passivly buffs/debuffs (twisting auras)
BO - in the middle DPS/tanking wise. Activily debuffs/buffs (attacks enemies to debuff them or buff group).

[CaptainAwesome]

Ah my mistake, I seriously wonder how my post ended up here *uses the power of Awesomeness to set things right*

My 2 Awesomes

[Gemini]

Honestly i wouldnt be suprised if it went something like this.

BG - magic tank, highest DPS of tanks.
Chosen - highest physical resistance, passivly buffs/debuffs (twisting auras)
BO - in the middle DPS/tanking wise. Activily debuffs/buffs (attacks enemies to debuff them or buff group).

Thats how I would guess, if the BO and Chosen have different levels of mitigation. I only say that becasuse the Chosen is supposed to have the heaviest armor. However, it wouldn't surprise me if both the Chosen and Black Orc both have little or no mitigation. Really, we'll just have to wait and see.

[Under_World]

This is my first thread!

Anyways ><, I like playing the tank class in games, because in almost every MMO, there needed all the time, and you feel like your doing something important in the group, but, i also really like PvP. And in most other MMO's (Like WoW, for example) you either get gear for tanking, or you get gear for PvP. Now my question is, if i play a Black Orc, and then go into RvR, well i do enouigh damage to kill someone myself without relying on someone elses DPS? Im asking this because i read that in WAR there trying to make every class PvP viable, and im wondering if that is true.

Thanks!

If you spec for 2 Handed DPS, you will most certainly be able to kill people. Odds are, you won't need to do more than hold aggro to be a good tank in WAR. This is a PvP focused game, not PvE.

[craptacular]

Annihilation (50 in Large Weapons)
Opening : Behind target
Fatigue : Medium
Damage : Medium
Attack : Very High Bonus
Defense : Medium Penalty
Special : Stunned - Stuns the target for a brief period of time. Duration 9 seconds

i do like the sound of these mastery abilities being so strong (if thats real)

but i sure hope its not going to be combined with a number of other stuns or CC effects like a WoW rogue. cos 9 sec is a LOONG time, and u are also using 2h :0

[Gemini]

It's not real, it's from a different game, don't worry.

[Gorkutz]

well i think they will surely be able to PvP effectively because as the official warhammer online site says they can wield heavy choppas and im sure one of their masteries will be offensive.

[ScroatzZ]

I'm going to agree with Gemini and a few of the others, sorry dont wanna take time for quotes and what not, BO are going to be 2nd of the 3 for the most part on tanking DPS, they are the "crazy" tank so they're rage and things like that will be buffs and debuffs like WoW shouts. but they shouldnt compare to Chosen on dmg taken, or BG in dmg delt.

[Foul Being]

I think tank classes are gonna have a hard time fighting classes like warrior priest (decent armor and healing abilities) because a tank class is all about outlasting, but a warrior priest can outheal ánd has a better dmge output. But on the other hand, i havnt seen a single vid with a BO using a 2H so i hope 2h + dmge spec is gonna give a tank class a better chance against outhealers.

[Gemini]

Who says the WP will have a better damage output than the Black Orc? I admit though a melee healer vs a tank would be an interesting if not rather long fight.

[Ripple]

I admit though a melee healer vs a tank would be an interesting if not rather long fight.
Those fights rarely end 1v1 as they start, it turns into who can last until backup arrives. I personally don't care what class can kill me one on one since I will always try to never fight alone in RvR.

[Ununseptium]

This is my first thread!

Anyways ><, I like playing the tank class in games, because in almost every MMO, there needed all the time, and you feel like your doing something important in the group, but, i also really like PvP. And in most other MMO's (Like WoW, for example) you either get gear for tanking, or you get gear for PvP. Now my question is, if i play a Black Orc, and then go into RvR, well i do enouigh damage to kill someone myself without relying on someone elses DPS? Im asking this because i read that in WAR there trying to make every class PvP viable, and im wondering if that is true.

Thanks!

Um I did not read all the post so I dont no if some one already posted this and I am sure they have but not just killing some one gets you renown you get it from taking damage healing and dishing damage so no need to worry you get your stuff just for taking the damage.

[Blood De]

I think tank classes are gonna have a hard time fighting classes like warrior priest (decent armor and healing abilities) because a tank class is all about outlasting, but a warrior priest can outheal ánd has a better dmge output. But on the other hand, i havnt seen a single vid with a BO using a 2H so i hope 2h + dmge spec is gonna give a tank class a better chance against outhealers.


In DAOC a tank beat a healer because you couldn't cast your main spells with anything beating on you. I would suggest that tank vs healer might come down to how far they apply that mechanic to this game.

[Gink Face-Smasher]

Is spell casting going to be interruptable by an auto attack like DAOC i wonder though?

[Malis]

Is spell casting going to be interruptable by an auto attack like DAOC i wonder though?

I dont think it is, I could have sworn i saw a bright wizard vid with them casting while being beat on.

[Gemini]

Yeah, the casting system isn't like DAoC.

[Gink Face-Smasher]

Awesome I always hated only having 1 chance to cast a stun/mezz via the quickcast in DAOC.

[Splitty]

This is my first thread!

Anyways ><, I like playing the tank class in games, because in almost every MMO, there needed all the time, and you feel like your doing something important in the group, but, i also really like PvP. And in most other MMO's (Like WoW, for example) you either get gear for tanking, or you get gear for PvP. Now my question is, if i play a Black Orc, and then go into RvR, well i do enouigh damage to kill someone myself without relying on someone elses DPS? Im asking this because i read that in WAR there trying to make every class PvP viable, and im wondering if that is true.

Thanks!

Its a worry thats in all of our hearts at the moment.
I personally feel that one on one, a damage dealer shouldnt be able to take us down. We know we have plenty of interupts & debuffs, and a larger hp pool than the others and more armour. So, in a war of attrition I believe we should win.

[ScroatzZ]

In DAOC a tank beat a healer because you couldn't cast your main spells with anything beating on you. I would suggest that tank vs healer might come down to how far they apply that mechanic to this game.

I would say your right. But lets not forget that a lot of the BO abilities are supposed to be aimed at stunnes, and cheap shots. I would ASSUME that, that could slow down/interupt quite a bit of cast time. So it should give the BO a one up on healer/melee guys, or even make them WP killers for that matter....

[BobTheOrc]

WP killers

Warrior Priest killers?

[8igdave]

The awnser to your question is why i will not be playing an black orc.
Me no like long fights. I want fast dmge. And sum healing.

Then a chosen is totaly the wrong one to go, it has the most armour and the lowest damage.

[Gratefulking]

The Black Orc Look
Fully armored in heavy armor (with lots of spikes)
Large very heavy shields (also with lots of spikes)
Choppas and great choppas (with spiky bits stuck on)

The Black Orc Specialty

The Black Orc’s fighting style might best be described as brawling. He attacks with all the tools available – fists, feet, elbows, shoulders, and assorted other spiky bits, including weapons. His various attacks are designed to jar, disorient, or otherwise disable his enemy. Each of these conditions leaves the enemy vulnerable to yet more punishment. This comes in the form of other attacks which deliver additional effects based on the target’s condition. The Black Orc’s use of these tools revolves around the philosophy that the best defense is indeed a good offense.

The Look of the Chosen
Ornate and brightly adorned heavy armor made of strange, curving components decorated with the colors and marks of Tzeentch.
Uses heavy shields bearing the crest and symbols of the Raven God.
Wields massive melee weapons that crackle with ruinous power at high levels.

The Chosen of Tzeentch Specialty

Tzeentch expects his Champions to be both ferocious warriors and cunning tacticians. As a result, Chosen who excel in these areas are granted profane rewards. These Dark Gifts allow the Chosen to manipulate the ruinous power of Chaos itself. While this provides them with ever greater strength, it also continually strips away any remnants of humanity that may still reside in the dark recesses of their memories. These Dark Gifts supplement the warrior’s awesome martial skills, increasing their durability, strength and even allowing them to harness the Winds of Magic.

And the BG stuff is still getting worked on I hope
All that was from http://www.warhammeronline.com/armiesofWAR/index.php

[Axxar]

Tanks have high weapon skill which makes armour little use against them. If the warrior priest doesn't have something like that then it seems reasonable the heavily armoured black orc will be outdamaging the warrior priest by a good amount in this fight. The warrior priest has healing, but it also sounds like the black orc has the tools to counter this through his dirty fighting style with interrupts and disabling abilites. Perhaps the warrior priest will have some magic damage he could use, though. Instant heals also wouldn't be able to be interrupted, so if he has good instant heals this could be difficult to counter.

[8igdave]

Tanks have high weapon skill which makes armour little use against them. If the warrior priest doesn't have something like that then it seems reasonable the heavily armoured black orc will be outdamaging the warrior priest by a good amount in this fight. The warrior priest has healing, but it also sounds like the black orc has the tools to counter this through his dirty fighting style with interrupts and disabling abilites. Perhaps the warrior priest will have some magic damage he could use, though. Instant heals also wouldn't be able to be interrupted, so if he has good instant heals this could be difficult to counter.

currently not the case.

[Zeikfried]

Personally, I think the Black Orc or just tanking combat in general is going to be great. I can work with the skills and abilites that I've seen for the Black Orcs. Although, I could be wrong but it seems to me that the board and shield type classes will shine more in RVR or group combat rather than solo combat.

Just my opinon though, but I know I can't wait to try it.

-Z

[Gemini]

currently not the case.

Are you gonna expand on that, and tell us what exactly he said is wrong, and how you know that?

[8igdave]

Sorry i miss read what he said there, i didn't relise he said black orc.