Great Weapon Blorcs

[BobTheOrc]

Where's ma Black Orcs at that are specin Offensive?

People that are going to say your a tank class do you job need not post, you might not understand the arms warrior big crits big armor mentality.

Arms is the way to go, as are great choppas.

[Gratefulking]

I think I might make a Black Guard alt. I will be speccing offensive. I hate the saying "your a tank and there for you are for defense." The fury,and arms warriors in WoW made wonderful pvpers, why can't a offensive black orc or black guard?

[Æntertainment]

Where's ma Black Orcs at that are specin Offensive?

People that are going to say your a tank class do you job need not post, you might not understand the arms warrior big crits big armor mentality.

Arms is the way to go, as are great choppas.

as long as your still willing to throw a taunt my way, i dont care how you spec, my heals aren't biased and neither is my damage.

[Gemini]

This is just my personal opinion of things, I dunno how it will all turn out. But to me, an offensive tank is very welcome in a group. A tank class pretending to be a melee dps aren't gonna be my first choice, so say the least.

[Æntertainment]

This is just my personal opinion of things, I dunno how it will all turn out. But to me, an offensive tank is very welcome in a group. A tank class pretending to be a melee dps aren't gonna be my first choice, so say the least.


WoW. I agree on both points, but they way you put it had me taken aback for a second as i couldn't work out if you where for or against offensive tanks.

[BobTheOrc]

I will still tank but will focus on Offense. However, I'm not sure how big the DPS gap is, if it is large, then I might hang back and be just offensive. I'm not going to be fully melee DPS and run headfirst into enemies, but I'm going to be moving up a good deal.

[Æntertainment]

I will still tank but will focus on Offense. However, I'm not sure how big the DPS gap is, if it is large, then I might hang back and be just offensive. I'm not going to be fully melee DPS and run headfirst into enemies, but I'm going to be moving up a good deal.

Just my guess, but a dps oriented tank should match a surviveability oriented mdps (such as a defensive spec choppa/marauder).

[Axxar]

Masteries don't redefine your role, merely tweak them in a certain direction. I wouldn't expect a great weapon specced Black Orc to come close to a melee DPS in damage, nor would I expect a melee DPS to come close to the Black Orc's survivability. Great weapon specced Black Orcs will be a good mix of offensive and defense, I think, and exist somewhere between the two extremes of DPS and heavy defense. They may not be your best pick for tanking a big PvE boss, but for RvR and general tanking they should do fine.

[BobTheOrc]

Just my guess, but a dps oriented tank should match a surviveability oriented mdps (such as a defensive spec choppa/marauder).

Sounds about right.

From what I've read online, any class can match a MDPS for DPS if played correctly. True, probably, this will change before release, most likely.

[Axxar]

I sincerely hope not. No one is going to play a DPS career if the other archetypes can do comparable DPS as well as having healing or tanking abilities. A good tank player outdamageing a crap DPS player I can understand, though. But anything more is hosing those that like playing DPS classes, and they deserve to have a purpose in the game just as much as we do.

[ScroatzZ]

Well, they are saying that they're classes are supposed to fit their "roles" no matter what the spec, as opposed to WoW. If the do this then it should still be acceptable to be spec'ed for some DPS and still tank PvE, which would be great. I mean a game based around RvR shouldnt make you respec for PvE/PvP it just wouldnt be as cool. There are DPS tank builds in WoW that work pretty good, but Blizz made it almost impossible to keep that spec during end game raiding. hopefully that will not be a mistake Myth makes. it doesnt seem to be the case as of right now.

[Axxar]

I can completely see why people want their Black Orc to spec for DPS and be just like a melee DPS. If you see a career you think looks kickass, like the black orc in their massive armour, but you're less interested in their role (ie. tank), it's wonderful to have the freedom to change the class into the melee DPS class you want it to be. For game design reasons and other reasons, I don't think this is the best way to go, however, and the impression I'm getting is that it's also not what Mythic is trying to do.

[Baron Khaine]

I think for my Blorc, i'll still be using Sword and Board, but focus on offense.

[Suchey]

I'm going to wait and see how things pan out. Using a two hander sounds great, but so does sword and board. I'll probably try both over the course of time and settle on a spec when I've had a chance to play around with both.

[Gemini]

I think for my Blorc, i'll still be using Sword and Board, but focus on offense.

Thats my plan too. Well, that and to make the enemy MDPS cry.

[BobTheOrc]

This is why I want open beta. I want to try out both, so all you people don't get mad at me for doing something my class isn't for. Even though I'm going to be offense that doesn't mean I'm going to leave my group, I'll just be a little infront of them running twords the enemy. I also love tanking, tanking an instance in WoW is great if you do well and don't lose aggro. However, as an arms warrior, I love my gigantic damages, Fury small damages more often isn't anywhere nearly as awesome as Arms big damage and slower attack. As most arms warriors on this thread know, the awesomeness comes from Big damages, burst damage, and being able to survive to fight another day, not like a rogue, where if you get 2 people on you you are pretty much done.

Is there anyone that feels the same way as me on this? I guess I'll just have to buy the game before my friends so I can try out both classes before they get on. After that I have to keep pace with them so I can A(Tank/Offensive Tank) or B (Melee DPS)

[Zeikfried]

This is why I want open beta. I want to try out both, so all you people don't get mad at me for doing something my class isn't for. Even though I'm going to be offense that doesn't mean I'm going to leave my group, I'll just be a little infront of them running twords the enemy. I also love tanking, tanking an instance in WoW is great if you do well and don't lose aggro. However, as an arms warrior, I love my gigantic damages, Fury small damages more often isn't anywhere nearly as awesome as Arms big damage and slower attack. As most arms warriors on this thread know, the awesomeness comes from Big damages, burst damage, and being able to survive to fight another day, not like a rogue, where if you get 2 people on you you are pretty much done.

Is there anyone that feels the same way as me on this? I guess I'll just have to buy the game before my friends so I can try out both classes before they get on. After that I have to keep pace with them so I can A(Tank/Offensive Tank) or B (Melee DPS)

I wouldn't say Arms warrior and their burst big dmg was the best thing compared to 2 1h weapons in each hand. Personally I found fury warriors to be better than arms warriors in WoW. However, the introduction to reselience serverly hampered fury warriors. So many switched to Arms with big 2 handers.

[BobTheOrc]

That is true, I guess you could say Fury is "better" in some ways. But I like big 2 handers and big slow damage. :)

[ll Monsters ll]

I will be playing both orc classes, but I will be speccing offensive and hopefully "dirty" with my Black Orc. As someone who grew up playing mortal kombat, tekken, and eventually soul caliber, I spent most of my gaming youth developing ways to screw with my opponent as much as possible. Picking a character built like a freight train with my own pension for trouncing an enemy so bad they don't even get to fight back, and then laughing about it, I think the Black Orc is gonna be right up my alley.

I'll be throwing seven different kinds of smoke with this son of a tank class.

[gregman21]

I wouldn't say Arms warrior and their burst big dmg was the best thing compared to 2 1h weapons in each hand. Personally I found fury warriors to be better than arms warriors in WoW. However, the introduction to reselience serverly hampered fury warriors. So many switched to Arms with big 2 handers.

MS was needed in the arena to be effective. Coupled with the fact that mace stuns were so over powered, it became stupid to spec anything but 2 hand maces.

[Malis]

I think it depends on the player. The tank classes will be given alot of tanking tools. I think that a great offensive tank will ALSO use those while doing damage.

Do i think that an offensive tank will do the damage of say a maurader? No, but i bet your tank will do alot more damage than my sword and board defensive spec'd tank, and while people will hate me because i wont ever die and im doing the tanky thing...... i think people will hate the offensive tank because they will be harder to kill than MDPS, they will do a good amount of damage (which cant be ignored), WHILE they are helping out the group with taunts and cc and what not.

Its a matter of play style and what the player likes. HOWEVER people who are going offensive tank, remember to use your tank abilities (taunt...etc) in addition to doing damage.... because if you arnt you arnt playing the class to full poential.

[gregman21]

I think it depends on the player. The tank classes will be given alot of tanking tools. I think that a great offensive tank will ALSO use those while doing damage.

Do i think that an offensive tank will do the damage of say a maurader? No, but i bet your tank will do alot more damage than my sword and board defensive spec'd tank, and while people will hate me because i wont ever die and im doing the tanky thing...... i think people will hate the offensive tank because they will be harder to kill than MDPS, they will do a good amount of damage (which cant be ignored), WHILE they are helping out the group with taunts and cc and what not.

Its a matter of play style and what the player likes. HOWEVER people who are going offensive tank, remember to use your tank abilities (taunt...etc) in addition to doing damage.... because if you arnt you arnt playing the class to full poential.

Has it been annouced how the BO will use his abilities? Will we use a rage like ability or something closer to mana?

Also, I haven't read much about stances. Do you see we'll see typical WoWesque stances?

[Zeikfried]

Has it been annouced how the BO will use his abilities? Will we use a rage like ability or something closer to mana?

Also, I haven't read much about stances. Do you see we'll see typical WoWesque stances?


There are some abilites announced. But I believe this game is based off of Action points. Everything costs Action points and you accumlate action points from fighting. (Someone please correct me if I am wrong.)

But personally I like that idea, because this means fights can evidently last forever with no to very little downtime, since you don't have to replenish mana. (This is also assuming you have a way to heal?).

Here goes a link to some of the abilites for the BO. However, I do not know if these skills are still current or have been modified. But it's just to give you an Idea. Also I am sure there are more skills and abilites that aren't even listed.

http://warhammerinfo.com/c-blackorc.shtml

- Z

[gregman21]

There are some abilites announced. But I believe this game is based off of Action points? Everything costs Action points and you accumulate action points from fighting. (Someone please correct me if I am wrong.)

But personally I like that idea, because this means fights can evidently last forever with no to very little downtime, since you don't have to replenish mana. (This is also assuming you have a way to heal?).

Here goes a link to some of the abilites for the BO. However, I do not know if these skills are still current or have been modified. But it's just to give you an Idea. Also I am sure there are more skills and abilites that aren't even listed.

- Z

Sweet, thanks!

When you say action points, would it be fair to compare them to rogue combo points in WoW? Meaning, you build them up with lesser abilities in order to use stronger attacks?

[Zeikfried]

Sweet, thanks!

When you say action points, would it be fair to compare them to rogue combo points in WoW. Meaing, you build them up with lesser abilities in order to use stronger attacks?

Something like that yeah. For instance if a Rogue uses Ambush he will brun more energy compared to using Sinster strike, since Ambush provides more damage. But he also regains energy quickly, I dunno the rate of how fast AP regenerates, but unlike a rogue's energy you can only regain it from combat I think.

So some abilites will require more AP than others of course.

Btw I edited my previous post, and pasted the link for some of the BO abilites.

- Z

[gregman21]

Something like that yeah. For instance if a Rogue uses Ambush he will brun more energy compared to using Sinster strike, since Ambush provides more damage. But he also regains energy quickly, I dunno the rate of how fast AP regenerates, but unlike a rogue's energy you can only regain it from combat I think.

So some abilites will require more AP than others of course.

Btw I edited my previous post, and pasted the link for some of the BO abilites.

- Z

Thanks, dude.

I'll check that out.

[Malis]

just to clairify. Every class has action points. Using an ability uses action points. Some classes have another pool that is also used.

For example shamans. Shamans have a pool called waaagh. Some spells give you waaagh when cast. Some spells use waaagh when cast. For example (using made up numbers), if you cast heal without any waaagh it could be a 5 second cast time and heal for 100, if you cast that same spell if you have waaagh, its cast time will be 3 seconds and it will heal for 200, but it will also eat 50 waaagh, but either way that heal costs 50 action points.

As of right now what we know is that black orcs dont have stances or another pool. They use builders and finishers. This works like a wow rogues combo points. You can only use finishers if you already used builders. Some finishers require 1 or two builders, also some finishers can be used with only 1 builder, but is stronger if you have 2 builders built up.

It looks like that Black Orcs use a lot of disables/one enemy debuffs in combat, with some group buffs.

[Zeikfried]

just to clairify. Every class has action points. Using an ability uses action points. Some classes have another pool that is also used.

For example shamans. Shamans have a pool called waaagh. Some spells give you waaagh when cast. Some spells use waaagh when cast. For example (using made up numbers), if you cast heal without any waaagh it could be a 5 second cast time and heal for 100, if you cast that same spell if you have waaagh, its cast time will be 3 seconds and it will heal for 200, but it will also eat 50 waaagh, but either way that heal costs 50 action points.

As of right now what we know is that black orcs dont have stances or another pool. They use builders and finishers. This works like a wow rogues combo points. You can only use finishers if you already used builders. Some finishers require 1 or two builders, also some finishers can be used with only 1 builder, but is stronger if you have 2 builders built up.

It looks like that Black Orcs use a lot of disables/one enemy debuffs in combat, with some group buffs.


Couldn't of said it any better myself, well put. :)

[gregman21]

just to clairify. Every class has action points. Using an ability uses action points. Some classes have another pool that is also used.

For example shamans. Shamans have a pool called waaagh. Some spells give you waaagh when cast. Some spells use waaagh when cast. For example (using made up numbers), if you cast heal without any waaagh it could be a 5 second cast time and heal for 100, if you cast that same spell if you have waaagh, its cast time will be 3 seconds and it will heal for 200, but it will also eat 50 waaagh, but either way that heal costs 50 action points.

As of right now what we know is that black orcs dont have stances or another pool. They use builders and finishers. This works like a wow rogues combo points. You can only use finishers if you already used builders. Some finishers require 1 or two builders, also some finishers can be used with only 1 builder, but is stronger if you have 2 builders built up.

It looks like that Black Orcs use a lot of disables/one enemy debuffs in combat, with some group buffs.

It seems like the BO is going to be really situational in the abilities that he uses. Which I am really excited about. Because of that, it will add a certain high skill level rather than mashing hamstring, MS, and execute.

Looking these abilities, it seems like we'll been game breaking on the forefront. Not only managing DPS and absorbing DPS, we'll be protecting people through single and AoE debuffs.

Oh. Can't Stop da WAAAGH! is going to be siick. I wonder what the cooldown on it will be.

[spuds1827]

As a BT level fury warrior in wow, I gotta say I'm pretty psyched. BO looks like it's gonna be even more interesting to play than a warrior ever will be.

[BobTheOrc]

I'm hoping no cooldowns on BO abilities are over 20 minutes. 20 minutes on Retaliation and it used to be 30 on sheild wall made me very very sad.

[Baron Khaine]

I'm hoping no cooldowns on BO abilities are over 20 minutes. 20 minutes on Retaliation and it used to be 30 on sheild wall made me very very sad.

It was 30 minutes on all 3 wasn't it?

30 minutes on Retaliation, Shield Wall and Recklessness, and they all shared the same cooldown.

[BobTheOrc]

Sounds right, but I know Ret has gone down now.

Also, I can't WAIT to spec offensive taunting enemies guarding my healer while Disabling the balls off of a Hammerer and (Tank) DPSing him to death.

[Gemini]

I really, really doubt any abilities will have anywhere near that long of a cooldown. Those sorts of skills go into morale abilities.

[Zeikfried]

I am really curious on the mastery trees. Want to know how much offensive power and defensive power BO can poteintally max. Or yet how much defense you can miss out on going offense. Another thing I wonder is how much damage will and offensive BO with 2h do compared to the choppah.

Comon! where are the BO masteries!

P.S. If anyone has any knowledge of these questions please share. :)

- Z

[Darzok]

I am really curious on the mastery trees. Want to know how much offensive power and defensive power BO can poteintally max. Or yet how much defense you can miss out on going offense. Another thing I wonder is how much damage will and offensive BO with 2h do compared to the choppah.

Comon! where are the BO masteries!

P.S. If anyone has any knowledge of these questions please share. :)

- Z


You can max 1 whole tree and around half of another by the time you hit lvl 40 i can't rember what pod cast it was form but im fairly sure you can get a good mix.

Any one who can tell you more than that would need to be in the closed beta and could not answer due to NDA curse that dam thing i want to know stuff.

[Gemini]

There is more non-leaked knoweldge than that out there, Darzok. And by open beta, I assume you mean closed beta.

[Darzok]

There is more non-leaked knoweldge than that out there, Darzok. And by open beta, I assume you mean closed beta.


I know there is alot of leaked stuff out there but i don't bother to look for it don't see the point.

Thanx i did not see my tiny error with there.

[Axxar]

I really dislike long cooldowns. 30 minutes is completely ridiculous in a PvP game, although it can work for PvE. I hope the longest cooldown of any ability in WAR is 2 minutes.

[Gemini]

I know there is alot of leaked stuff out there but i don't bother to look for it don't see the point.


I said non-leaked stuff. Mythic has handed out more information than that to public about the mastery system.

[Darzok]

I said non-leaked stuff. Mythic has handed out more information than that to public about the mastery system.

lol after the ninja edit you said that but i typed that befor.

[Gemini]

There was no ninja edit, if I edited the post, it would say so. You just misread it. This is proven by your quote, I can't edit your post :P

[Axxar]

Actually if you edit a post within a minute or so of posting, it doesn't say that you've edited in (I do this all the time as I always find spelling errors etc. the second I hist the Submit button).

[Gemini]

True, but my point about his quote still stands.

[Axxar]

True, but my point about his quote still stands.Yes, and by the post times you can see he posted a good while after your post was made, so if you had edited it at that point it would unquestionably say so in the post.

[Darzok]

Dam my eye's must of read it worng i was sure you had typed leaked and not none leaked.

[AtomBomb]

I enjoy the tank, brick whatever you want to call them, classes beacuse of their defensive values. I enjoy being the protector of the group, and I choose taunt as soon as I can get it. I had taunt in CoH in about every ability of my tank. I was brought along parties frequently because of my taunting abilities.

I know when it comes to solo play you don't want to be a slow damage dealer. But then in that sense I think you should choose Choppa instead of Black Orc.

[kgrubbs829]

As with most games just about any class can spec DPS. But are they wanted? Unless the have some sort of role (CC, Debuffing, Buffing) they will probably be looked over for "pure" DPS classes that have either more DPS or other said abilities.

Youll probably have alot more fun RvR but will have a harder time getting groups. Of course, this is all speculation.

[almightybum]

a black orc is for tanking and doing damage it is a warrior class so what ever you spec is what it wil lb good at they call tank coz they get in2 your face either taking damage or doing damage think off a army tank it can be used as a shield or you can blow up buildings and fire your mini gun becoming a craze killer waghhhhhhhhh im going for the big 2h and ill b cing you in open bata :D

[Gruxx]

my god people. Black orcs will never do as much damage as a choppa or any melee dps. Same goes with all tanks, except "maybe" swordmaster and black guard. So stop saying you're gonna be a black orc to deal out major dps. You won't be able to. Full offense spec mythic said you'll only be able to do about 3/4 of a melee's damage. The advantage you have over them though is the longer survivabilty and the defensive tank abilities which you can weave into you pvp. All tanks will have two handers, and sword and boards. For RvR you'll use a great weapon. And for PvE you'll have your sword and board. Simple as that.

[almightybum]

prohaps that is why people want black orc for a damage dealer in rvr may be able to do 3/4 damage but you also got tanking abilitys and you can easly swap weapens when you are fighting. You can do a sheld bash swap 2 a great weapon bash him with some chain combo then change back to sword and sheld throw some buffs to your self and out last them i recken black orc will be feared in rvr first the other person got to know what that orc has all black orcs will be differnet.

The black orc will be so annoying to fight that the other person will just run away and you can keep hitting him with your great wepaon till he dies

this isnt from a pve look off things btw

[logicalmayhem]

an offencive tank and a tank trying 2 be MDPS are 2 verry diferent things.

an ofencive tank is a a tank that dose more damage but still for fills ther CC and taunting requirements, your primary goal is still to protect your party.

A try hard MDPS is a tank who cant play properly and just wants 2 hit stuff and not play as a team.
if your looking at a mostly dps with a lil bit of tank roll a choppa they are looking pretty strong, and have some basic agro gaining abilitys.

My self when i make a tank it will most probably be a black guard(see how hate is implemented). and he will be specked offencivly still means ill go down protecting the squishy classes rather than save my self... its what a tank dose, a tank played like this will always be welcome in a 6 man group 2 tanks in pvp is a must having 1 offensive just makes sence.

[Gruxx]

great idea! Having two tanks in a group for PvE or RvR would be a great combo. My build is a Chosen as MT, Black Orc as OT, Zealot as MH, Shaman as OH, Choppa MDPS, and finally either a magus or a sorceress for RDPS. The chosen as MT because he's a heavy tank and has his auras to help him out. Black orc with the brawling ablilities allows the group to focus on a target and stun and disorient what not, while the chosen picks up the stragglers. The zealot as MH because of their rituals and just their overall build is for a better healing spec. The goblin shaman is perfect as Oh because of the damage he has to do in order to heal better. Unlike the zealot where it doesn't matter the ammount of damage they do to affect their healing. The Choppa for MDPS is just a personal choice. Can really be anything. Just a buddy of mine is playing choppa. And for either magus or sorceress, it just depends on the situation you're in. Magus if you want to fight defensively and the sorceress if you just want to AOE and nuke. Tell me what you think.

[Altum]

Goal: Become the Laintime of Black Orcs

Setbacks: I am not Korean

[Gharr]

the reason i think a black orc might be interesting as DPS, is his ability to take alot of damage and still deal alot. this while he uses his tanking abilities to weaken the enemy.
i immagine seeing BO's focusing on PVP to not go all defensive and rather work on debuffs, dps etc.
tho these are only my thoughts on the matter. who knows how it's gonna work out in the end?

[Tuqui]

the reason i think a black orc might be interesting as DPS, is his ability to take alot of damage and still deal alot. this while he uses his tanking abilities to weaken the enemy.

Sounds majorly OP to me (and I wanna be a Black Orc!).

My idea of the Blorc is a massive meat shield that stands there and takes a beating while DISARMING and DISORIENTING the enemy. If I wanted to DPS in any form or manner I would go choppa :neutral: (no offense to any Blorcs that wanna DPS)

[almightybum]

black orcs can dps might not be as well as the choppa but they can do dps plus tanking abilitys which will give them a advantage. Ive seen black orcs in rvr and ye they die theres a lot off vids on you tube were the black orc gets pwned well almost all the time its pointless taking damage for your allys and putting the damage on your self you probly wont get healed anyway so what is the point in taking damage for your allys id let them die. Ill be going great weapen spec if can find some good healers n ye ill let m live but people are more interested in doing damage then throwing a heal to the black orc who is keeping the group alive

[logicalmayhem]

long as you tank and just do 30% more damage it will be cool. if you wanna be DPS roll a choppa

and stop calling them blorks its messed up, BO or BLack Ork you putting greenskins 2 shame

[Robbie11r1]

Im not saying offensive tanks wont be good, but just because they were good in wow doesnt mean they will be THAT good here.

[linuxnacrot]

Im not saying offensive tanks wont be good, but just because they were good in wow doesnt mean they will be THAT good here.

The thing is in WoW there were no offensive tanks; an arms warrior was slightly more durable than other classes, but they were essentially just another DPS class. Since alot of people will be coming from WoW, were you can change your classes archtype with your spec, I think alot of people will be sadly mistaken when they roll an Offensive Tank class thinking they'll be able to fill the role of DPS and ignore their roles as tanks.

be going great weapen spec if can find some good healers n ye ill let m live but people are more interested in doing damage then throwing a heal to the black orc who is keeping the group alive

"The tank doesn't tank! The healer doesn't heal!..." and on and on. You gotta put in a bit of effort and break the chain at some point, you know? Hopefully WAR's mechanics will encourage teamwork and cooperation and break the mentality of "me, me, me!" that we're seeing in other MMO's.

[almightybum]

i dont know been watchin the BO pvp videos on you tube i see people doing damage and letting the tank die kind off shocking when logicalmayhem is saying you must take the damage no matter what it is shocking

[Guntarr]

I will probably spec my Black Orc using 2H axes or something cool, but that does not mean i want to dps, it just means i want to use 2h weapons. If i wanted to dps as Orc i'd go Choppa, but i don't, I WANT to tank. I've always hated sword and board...

[pyramid6]

I don't understand the mentality of everyone wanting to be a DPSer without being a DPS class. The BO is a tank. They are not going to be able to compete with the DPSer. Nor should they. It would suck to roll a BO and have a Choppa come in and tank better than you. And yes that is what you are asking.

What I'm really hoping, is that a BO can be full 100% defensive mastery and still be really good in PvP. I hated the warrior in PvP because half of your abilities were pointless in PvP if you went defense spec.

That's not to say DPS is bad, but if I want to do DPS I'll roll a Choppa. And I may anyway.

[Guzruk]

I don't understand why so many people criticize others just because they want to play their class the way THEY WANT TO. It's a game you pay to play, there is no chance in hell I would EVER, EVER play something I didn't want to just because others say that I'm doing it wrong. If I want to be a tank class and spec offensively so I can still be the most bad class in the game and use a giant freaking two hander then that's damn well what I will do. People need to stop bringing up that Chosen and Black Orcs, etc. are not dps and are tanks. They can use two handers, they have offensive spec trees, people will play the game the way they want. Enough with the drama.

[almightybum]

a black orc will be able to kill people in rvr it is a tanking class which means it is a damage class also which gives him an advantage i agress with the guy above me im going to kill people and mayb look after my group they prob wont heal you anyway if i find friends along the way then ye ill start weapon danceing giveing them benifits i think off my self first then other people later if got friends with me then we will kick with weapon danceing

[Kruggak]

Im going to use a nice mix of specs and abilities that goes with my play style and what i find most useful for PvP and PvE...

I want to RvR, i want to be on the front line taking damage while protecting my team, i do how ever want to break some teeth occasionally. I will full fill my role as group protector but at the same time i do plan on enjoying myself by attacking and killing enemies. See that door the stunties knocked down and are pooring threw... youl see me down there doing the best i can to block that door off to slow those stunties down even if i die. Those healers over there are getting creamed by some ranged DPS, ill run over and do my best to disable that ranged DPS and draw their attention onto me...
But if i see a nice squishy dwarf in front of me and i can knock him on his arse all by myself i will do that to :cool:

Im not stupid to believe that even if i speced 100% offence i will match a choppa but that said there is more to DPS then out right head on DPS. I plan on using all the Black Orcs tricks, low blows and migration to disable and cause havok to my enemy so i can maintain a nice steady stream of DPS while his gets messed up... that is how i plan to do my DPS and out DPS others, i believe its an aspect of Black Orcs that people just forget about or dont notice, there is more to winning then running around with a big 2H weapon screaming Waaaghh!!! all the way to the grave yard

Of course i will run into people who know thats what im trying to do with my Black Orc and thats where the fun will really kick in ;)

[Ikego]

I don't think most players have a problem grouping with damage specialized tank classes, as long as they're willing to serve their class role in group PvE. People get pissed when a tank is in the group and refuses to throw on tanking gear and a shield to do their part, instead insisting they will only do dps. Then you have unhappy folks to deal with. Understandable, because if you want to be a melee dps only... then I think you should roll a melee dps class - it saves confusion and frustration for yourself and others, and no one will ever bother you to do anything else.

If I end up rolling a Black Orc (which becomes more a possibility each passing day), I'll probably end up doing a hybrid build so that I can be adequate in both PvE and PvP without having to sacrafice too much on either end. But that's pure speculation, gotta see the skill trees first. If I could be a defensive build and still be a solid force in PvP, I'd be one happy player. I'd just roll a DPS alt to fullfill the desire to light people up.

[Kruggak]

If I end up rolling a Black Orc (which becomes more a possibility each passing day), I'll probably end up doing a hybrid build so that I can be adequate in both PvE and PvP without having to sacrafice too much on either end. But that's pure speculation, gotta see the skill trees first. If I could be a defensive build and still be a solid force in PvP, I'd be one happy player. I'd just roll a DPS alt to fullfill the desire to light people up.

Thats my view right now

[Astinos]

I'll carry a shield with me so I can be ultra defensive when needed, but otherwise I'll continue to be a hybrid of offensive and defensive with mah great weapon ;). Mythic said the people who are making the most of themselves on the battlefield are fufilling multiple roles, that means I should be able to tank AND dps.

Edit: yea, above post has it about right :D

[almightybum]

ill carry two types off gear my pvp gear and my pve gear my 2 h n 1 h n shield i am not intersted in pve much but the public quests look cool and ill prob do them for a bit and when i am running in2 rvr ill just switch my gear over ill have a damage/ annoying build they work well in pvp/rvr

[MasterShake]

Meh, as long as we look badass, and can hold our own in pvp and can spec offensively, I am extremely excited about rolling a Black Orc in beta.

[Dezian]

My guess is that the average DPS of tanks and Melee DPS is about the same.
I mean sure on pure numbers MDPS beats tanks, but tanks can survive longer.
Mind you theres also the advantage of a 2 Hander, giving bigger damage in one hit, leading to more damage then the melee DPS in some occasions.
Anyway thats just me ^^

[Lavaithin]

Ya i would like to irritate them by knocking them down alot and make myself survive for a long time lol

[Ikego]

Just going to clarify what DPS stands for: damage per second. It's a measure of how much damage is being done for the amount of time a player is attacking. If a Choppa does 10,000 damage in 10 seconds of attacking, then dies... his dps is 1,000. If a Black Orc does 15,000 damage in 25 seconds of attacking, then dies... his dps is much lower at 600. Even if a Black Orc does more damage throughout a 15min battle, it doesn't mean his DPS is higher... just his overall damage is, that's why they use seconds instead of minutes for this particular measure.

DPS is not a synonym for Damage.

Trying to be helpful in case there's any confusion. Been seeing a lot of misuse of dps on the forums. Almost as much as people who think Open Beta means open to all players who want to play and participate; even though Mythic has said that it will continue to be invite only and Open only means the NDA will be lifted. Going to be a lot of sad faces when people realize they aren't going to ever play in beta.

[Osiris33]

DPS is not a synonym for Damage.


In every mmo I've played DPS is almost exclusively used as a synonym for damage. I realize it's supose to mean damage per second, and at one point was all it meant, but there's no use in fighting it.

[derbenedict]

I, myself, will be on the offensive side as a Black Orc. You will always see the back of my butt going up that hill, seeking out dwarfs to smash with my huge brute-force weapon. I'm not sure if I'll be the only one doing this, but join me if you please. I want to see the whites of their afraid and disbelief eyes.

Over all, I'm going to have fun with this.
(And don't get me wrong, I will have a D side to me.)

[almightybum]

im going to kill people with my weapon danceing works every time oooo yeah

[Whetstone]

Does anyone know if the Black Orc will be able to DW? If I am going offensive I might rather that than a great weapon. :)

[madival]

i am going offensive and what i hope happens is that we can use the great choppas effectivly and use 2 choppas i if need be (since they got rid of choppa class fttb)
i am deffenitly going for offensive/survivability

[Gorefang]

As much as I would love to be useful in RVR I fear it wont happen. Tanks will be good in PVE and needed, but will be pointless in RVR. Easily CC'd, we'll spend 10 minutes chopping something down to 10% health only to have a healer full heal em with one button press.

[Blarfenzo]

As much as I would love to be useful in RVR I fear it wont happen. Tanks will be good in PVE and needed, but will be pointless in RVR. Easily CC'd, we'll spend 10 minutes chopping something down to 10% health only to have a healer full heal em with one button press.

The game is based around RvR, all the classes are balanced for it. Tanks will not be useless in RvR.

[xShlink]

I plan on kind of a mix between defensive and offensive, but Ill prob lean more towards the offensive only because i love doing lost of damage and seeing those big crits never gets old :D

[Gorefang]

The game is based around RvR, all the classes are balanced for it. Tanks will not be useless in RvR.

It is whispered in dark corners that most just ignore the tanks. What's the point of a debuff doing -30% damage when you can just CC for -100% damage. As usual its difficult to stay in melee range while in PvP and we just cant kill fast enough when we are close.

To be honest I hope I'm wrong but I cant be as optimistic as most of you seem to be.

[Blackspine]

I'm going dual shield spec.
2 shields give me the chance to:

Flap them like wings
Swat the enemy to death,
Bore the enemy to death
Fan the tired DPS classes, because I should never ever EVER, under any circumstances try to DPS.
Block the sun from our fairer Dark elf allies.
Go along with the cries of the people saying that tanks are for pure mitigation, blocking etc.

Dual shield= Pro.

[Sickletooth]

Haha.

Hahahaha.

[scratchysealtttv]

Probably swoard and board offensive, or preferably axe and board, most of the swords look too tiny.

As for your statement gorefang, most CC can be purged or dispeled, taunt can't. CC will probably resist quite often (which starts diminishing returns), where as taunt which has to be reliable for pve, won't that often. I'd rather a sure bet than a maybe in almost all pvp situations.

[scratchysealtttv]

As much as I would love to be useful in RVR I fear it wont happen. Tanks will be good in PVE and needed, but will be pointless in RVR. Easily CC'd, we'll spend 10 minutes chopping something down to 10% health only to have a healer full heal em with one button press.

A pure defensive blorc will be there to agitate and protect. Taunting to save the gobbo's, using our multitude of CC abilities to make things difficult for everyone, and standing in the way ;). Generaly Defensive tanks in DAoC couldn't get CC'd as they were the ones who would save everyone. I find Blorcs to be one of the ultimate "peeler" classes now, as we can snare, stun, root, and purge them all. We will catch you!

Remember, we will still have realm abilities to reduce CC duration (det-V wooo) and probably an additional purge ability but on a cooldown.

[december]

most of the heavy armor (if not all) classes in aoc couldnt get rooted or knocked down

i still see tanks as great since taunt will interrupt spell casting and reduce that targets damage for a period of time

[Grinda]

Did anyone play DAOC? In DAOC tanks who used a 2h and specced for dmg hit slower then dual wielding dps but hit ALOT harder and spike dmg has its benefits as its harder to heal when a person randomly might lose 70% of their health in a swing. I realize they are implementing things to increase the effectiveness of "tanking" in pvp but in mythic's previous game "tank" classes would be on melee trains right along with the rest of the dps. Sometimes a tank would gaurd the squishies by stunning people off them but that was much more rare then the tanks just running around with the rest of the melee dps and smashing heads. I myself am torn between a marauder and a BO but from my experience in DAOC if i do roll blorc i expect to be able to contribute enough dps wise to be a viable part of any rvr group.

[scratchysealtttv]

Did anyone play DAOC? In DAOC tanks who used a 2h and specced for dmg hit slower then dual wielding dps but hit ALOT harder and spike dmg has its benefits as its harder to heal when a person randomly might lose 70% of their health in a swing. I realize they are implementing things to increase the effectiveness of "tanking" in pvp but in mythic's previous game "tank" classes would be on melee trains right along with the rest of the dps. Sometimes a tank would gaurd the squishies by stunning people off them but that was much more rare then the tanks just running around with the rest of the melee dps and smashing heads. I myself am torn between a marauder and a BO but from my experience in DAOC if i do roll blorc i expect to be able to contribute enough dps wise to be a viable part of any rvr group.


Absolutely correct. I played DAOC for about 2 years. Although if melee had CC styles, they were expected to use them to help peel off a caster or healer (in 8v8 at least).

[Gorlokk]

I ,for one will be going on the offensive, but I won't hesitate to go on the defensive when aboslutely needed. :)

[Ununseptium]

I wish to be a brawler blorc but will be what ever the guild needs. And since I'm putting my name in the hat for standard bearer I might have to be a big boss blorc or toughest blorc or big boss blorc with a side of toughest.

[Feralas]

Does anyone know if the Black Orc will be able to DW? If I am going offensive I might rather that than a great weapon. :)

No. Black Orcs can't dual wield, and that is apparently the way it is in lore as well. (Not being a loremonger myself, I could be wrong on this.)

i am going offensive and what i hope happens is that we can use the great choppas effectivly and use 2 choppas i if need be (since they got rid of choppa class fttb)
i am deffenitly going for offensive/survivability

You can't dual wield. And you might not even neccesarily be able to use choppas, although with the removal of the Choppa class Black Orcs might see a few.

As much as I would love to be useful in RVR I fear it wont happen. Tanks will be good in PVE and needed, but will be pointless in RVR. Easily CC'd, we'll spend 10 minutes chopping something down to 10% health only to have a healer full heal em with one button press.

I don't think it will be quite that bad. Admittedly, you won't be dealing out the DPS like there's no tommorow, but I doubt that it will take you forever to get someone low and then have them healed up to full. Plus, even if that is how it is, DPS is not your main objective as a tank- BLACK ORC IS A TANK CLASS. Get over it. You will tank, or be much less effective in PvE and RvR then every other tank that does accept his/her role.

I plan on kind of a mix between defensive and offensive, but Ill prob lean more towards the offensive only because i love doing lost of damage and seeing those big crits never gets old :D

I doubt that you will be seeing crits that big, as you are a tank class and are doing at best 3/4 of the damage of a DPS class. If you want big crits, roll a caster like Sorc or BW.

most of the heavy armor (if not all) classes in aoc couldnt get rooted or knocked down

i still see tanks as great since taunt will interrupt spell casting and reduce that targets damage for a period of time

This isn't AoC, although giving tanks some sort of extra CC resistance wouldn't be a bad idea. Taunts will be the main purpose of tanks in RvR, making the other team's DPSers do less damage.

Did anyone play DAOC? In DAOC tanks who used a 2h and specced for dmg hit slower then dual wielding dps but hit ALOT harder and spike dmg has its benefits as its harder to heal when a person randomly might lose 70% of their health in a swing. I realize they are implementing things to increase the effectiveness of "tanking" in pvp but in mythic's previous game "tank" classes would be on melee trains right along with the rest of the dps. Sometimes a tank would gaurd the squishies by stunning people off them but that was much more rare then the tanks just running around with the rest of the melee dps and smashing heads. I myself am torn between a marauder and a BO but from my experience in DAOC if i do roll blorc i expect to be able to contribute enough dps wise to be a viable part of any rvr group.

This is not DAoC. Mastery paths- or "specs", as they are often being (incorrectly) called. Mastery paths don't change the achetype of the class entirely like they do in DAoC, WoW, and plenty of other MMOs. They aren't "specializations". Your archetype (Tank, Melee DPS, Range DPS, or Support) is your "specialization". Mastery paths just tweak how you carry out your role in RvR and PvE, not what that role is.

Now, some people may consider this an elitist or self-serving post to go along with the "shut up and heal/tank" mentality. It isn't. I am simply saying how I think the game will function- with tanks as tanks, and not DPS.

[RandomJules]

Does anyone know if the Black Orc will be able to DW? If I am going offensive I might rather that than a great weapon. :)
I tried to equip two "Either Hand" axes and couldn't, so as of now "no".

[Terhix]

Just registered so I can post here, so hi2u.

Short movie uploaded yesterday, should you have any doubts about Black Orc dps, this should blow them away:

http://www.vimeo.com/1560927

[Guntarr]

Just registered so I can post here, so hi2u.

Short movie uploaded yesterday, should you have any doubts about Black Orc dps, this should blow them away:

http://www.vimeo.com/1560927
DDDAAAMMMNNN!!! that black orc is an animal! I can just imagine how incredibly long my defensive black orc is going to last:D

[Sputty]

For those that want to PvP more, 2 hand Orcs will be the best option, at least for now. I expect they're looking into the other specs anyway. On the plus side, tanks often do the most damage overall because of their survivability they're able to get into the opposing faction's blob and starting hitting stuff and survive the longest. Only the somewhat ridiculous Iron Breaker competes for single target damage among the tanks. If you can get a dedicated healer buddy I can see any tank surviving an entire team of damage, though a lot of the healer issues even out later.

2 hand black orcs are great and can tank in a pinch, though shield and boards are a lot better at it mainly because of the shield only skills. Even if you use the extra damage, less survivability talent you'll still be able to function as a tank with 2 hand weapon in PvP and without the talent you'll still do good damage with a reasonable amount of CC or target debuffs to help the team kill a target as you get higher ranks.

[madgremlin]

And you might not even neccesarily be able to use choppas, although with the removal of the Choppa class Black Orcs might see a few.


...What else would an Orc use? What other weapon does an Orc know of? Of course BO might see a few choppas, that's all he ever sees :-D

An Orc without a choppa is like an anteater without a tongue...

[Terhix]

Just a quick note, looks like vimeo don't accept gaming videos and removed mine :\, so here it is at filefront:

http://files.filefront.com/randompvpwmv/;11556601;/fileinfo.html

[BunjiMadness]

Just a quick note, looks like vimeo don't accept gaming videos and removed mine :\, so here it is at filefront:

http://files.filefront.com/randompvpwmv/;11556601;/fileinfo.html
Damn that BO means buisness lol. He's a beast.

What Tactics were you running in this vid? I'm guessing Focused Offense, the two crit tactics, and what for the fourth one?

[Terhix]

Damn that BO means buisness lol. He's a beast.

What Tactics were you running in this vid? I'm guessing Focused Offense, the two crit tactics, and what for the fourth one?

At rank 34 I just have only 3 slots available, and yeah - focused offense and 2 for crit dmg and chance.

[Ekove]

I don't care what haters say, I'll play an offensive tank. I never did before but in every mmo I played offensive tanks always had the most potential late game.

[estar]

http://www.youtube.com/user/estarismajestic got alot of dps black orcage there!

[Ilneval]

...What else would an Orc use? What other weapon does an Orc know of? Of course BO might see a few choppas, that's all he ever sees :-D

An Orc without a choppa is like an anteater without a tongue...
Da overe weapon is da basha ....it good at shashin 'eads


dont know if we get to use basha's in the game though

[Grinda]

As a black orc who lvled to 21 and got over 3000 kills (kills not deathblows) during the CE beta experience. A majority of the time i used a 2h mostly but when it was necessary i poped out the shield i carry... lack of other tanks around or keep siege where we needed tons of tanks... specced correctly and played correctly u can hit very very hard as a2h black orc but fortunatly you also hit fairly hard with a 1hander. All this crap about you wont be as effective is bull imo the only thing you lose from not "realizin your only a tank" is a little survivabilty. Using a 2hander makes your taunts that much harder to ignore with the big slash tactic and taunt up i would regularly crit people for 500+ at 21 + i still have my abilities like hold the line and my aoe taunt that decreases all the enemies dmg against other targets by 30%. Play a damage oriented black orc if you want to they are tons of fun and still hard as hell to bring down. Just dont neglect your abilities that are "tanky" b/c they are still useful. If you haven't played a black orc in beta then your speculation on how viable it is is worthless. that is all

[Lee852]

http://www.youtube.com/user/estarismajestic got alot of dps black orcage there!

My first point is, your Black Orc videos are awesome, and proof that the class can smash some teeth out.
My second point is that using Aces High as background music makes your vid @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaKC0Vl0KmU at least 100% cooler!
Watching this has really got me psyched to play a Black Ork, I'm Euro so I have to wait until the 7th but this is going to be the first class I test out in our OB phase.
Good work, thanks!

[estar]

Beware mate Black Orc is quiet slow to lvl from 1-10 so keep at it , after that it becomes alot easier.

[Terhix]

Beware mate Black Orc is quiet slow to lvl from 1-10 so keep at it , after that it becomes alot easier.

It's not like leveling 1-10 takes more than one evening.