White Lion Revealed

[Squizz]

Courtesy of Drakir (http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/warhammeronline/news.html?sid=6191574&om_act=convert&om_clk=newlyadded&tag=newlyadded;title;1)

[Adrda]

so.....awesome

[Melkath]

When I click on the article link for the Q&A I don't get anything, just refreshes the page. Anyone else have that problem? I guess Gamespot negotiated being the first news outlet to reveal the final WAR class.

[cazosozey]

i dont do this much.... but, ^.^

[Melkath]

Whoa...now the link is gone...Was it up too early perhaps? Oh well, the article blurb they posted for the time it was shown did indeed confirm that White Lion is the HE class and that they will have a pet.

[oldguy]

Well, it's settled then. Instead of 23 alts, I'll have 24.

[dynamo112]

Whoa...now the link is gone...Was it up too early perhaps? Oh well, the article blurb they posted for the time it was shown did indeed confirm that White Lion is the HE class and that they will have a pet.

Yeah dude! It just NOW disappeared for me! I went to click the link and it didnt open anything instead returning the page and then the WL Q&A was gone! Confirmation! Nice.

[Edrahil Celeborn]

WHere is it? I cant find anything about White lions :SSS

[dynamo112]

WHere is it? I cant find anything about White lions :SSS

It's gone now, they took it down.

Apparently they had put it up to early. So id expect the newsletter to be coming out either tonight or tommorow.

[cazosozey]

ok i see, it disappeared now...

[Kodo Beast]

I managed to get a screenshot before it got took down (it was mere moments before it was taken down, very lucky)

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m82/thekodobeast/LOL.jpg

Too bad I didn't get a chance to read the actual article :(

[Edrahil Celeborn]

well, what didi the link say about White's ?

[Foofmonger]

Cool beans. Looks like Gamespot jumped the gun.

[Adrda]

you can still go through the like, 6 or 7 pictures of the WL, axes and , i wish i hadn't closed the tab with the Q&A or i could have just C&P'd it.

[dynamo112]

I managed to get a screenshot before it got took down (it was mere moments before it was taken down, very lucky)

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m82/thekodobeast/LOL.jpg

Too bad I didn't get a chance to read the actual article :(

Yep that's it. And judging by that art attatched to the Q&A link it looks to be an armored Lion. Bad IMO.

[Stigus]

I shall repost my reaction to the details of this calls from what i have managed to read about it

I forsee hundreds, nay, THOUSANDS of 12 year olds seeing this class and going "ZOMG! I GET A PET! ZOMG I GET TO HIT STUFF TOO! I WANT!" :sad:

[Nordug]

Yay i read it before they removed it.. sounds so cool, even for a pansy elf... :o

[cazosozey]

I managed to get a screenshot before it got took down (it was mere moments before it was taken down, very lucky)

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m82/thekodobeast/LOL.jpg

Too bad I didn't get a chance to read the actual article :(

thats all i saw too, anyone actually read the article?

[Edrahil Celeborn]

I managed to get a screenshot before it got took down (it was mere moments before it was taken down, very lucky)

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m82/thekodobeast/LOL.jpg

Too bad I didn't get a chance to read the actual article :(

I love people who does these kinda things, take screen shots or equal things, I LOVE YOU! thanks!

[Melkath]

well, what didi the link say about White's ?

For me, when it was shown, the article link didn't even work. All I could see was the little blurb they write for the preview. It appears the article was a Q&A about the class. Anyways, I didn't do a screen capture of what I saw (since I didn't think the link would disappear), but the article preview definitely confirmed that the White Lion is a pet class.

[Sykishi]

Finally, now that the white lion thing is over, we can start talking about classes that matter, like the black guard :twisted:

[Squizz]

*Ladies and gentlemen we are experiencing technical difficulties, please stay calm and remain seated*

[Stigus]

No sure if this is going to get removed but here is the first part from the piece

GameSpot: We are proud to unveil the new white lion class, which joins the swordmaster and the archmage as classes of high elf. Give us an overview of these beast-masters from the north.
Adam Gershowitz: In short, the white lions of Chrace are more savage than their southern cousins, striking out with great axe and claw to rend through their opponents. They fill the role of the melee damage-per-second (DPS) or "brawler" career for the high elves. Their most unique feature is the war lion that accompanies them. While capable fighters on their own, the white lion really shines when working together with his feline companion.
In WAR, we've chosen to delve deeper into the lore of the white lions of Chrace, working with Games Workshop to fill out the backstory and history of these noble hunters from the north. The most notable part of the backstory is the concept of the war lion and how certain courageous and skilled white lion warriors train these beasts to be powerful and loyal companions.

[Edrahil Celeborn]

For me, when it was shown, the article link didn't even work. All I could see was the little blurb they write for the preview. It appears the article was a Q&A about the class. Anyways, I didn't do a screen capture of what I saw (since I didn't think the link would disappear), but the article preview definitely confirmed that the White Lion is a pet class.

Ahaa, thanks :P

Too bad it dissapeared :(

[Stigus]

AND as you can see there are already comments about how the WL sounds like a hunter in WoW, LOL

(http://www.gamespot.com/users/powerwolff/)powerwolff Sounds a lot like the hunter class from WoW, but at the same time a whole lot different b/c there is not "ranged" aspect to it. Looks exciting!

[Stigus]

Am i allowed to copy and paste the rest in here for everyone to read? lol

[Adrda]

the masteries are

the Axeman - the lion specializes in taking hits and it improves your single target high DMG capability

the Hunter - specializes in the lion and the WL working in concert

the Guardian - the WL specializes in debuffs and stuff

it also talks about the lion starting as an adolescent without a mane, which is stage 1 of 4 and the final stage is elder lion, the one with the 4 braids and the Armour in that screencap

you can customize your lion to an extent, with markings and fur patterns, what i got from the article it made it seem as if the lion acts on its own, once you set it to one of 3 general commands, but that could have just been due to an unclear question / answer.

[Smachaz]

Oh, and there was mention of He or She, supposing Female White Lions are in...




Edit: Adrda beat me to it in a matter of seconds

[Alkarin]

they should just keep it up. now that every1 already knows about it. shouldnt of taken it down

[Stigus]

meh ok i am copy pasting, lol

GS: It sounds like training your personal war lion allows for an even greater level of customization. What are the different ways to approach raising your lion? Will they become sad without enough tender loving care, like the puppies in Nintendogs?
AG: The war lion is meant to be a long-term companion unlike the disposable (yet lovable) squigs the squig herder gets. As such, we wanted to give players more options on their pet since they will only get one. These options are fairly simple but significant and include naming your pet and choosing distinctive fur patterns and markings when you first receive your lion. This allows for different white lion players to have semiunique war lions to accompany them. These distinctive markings stay with your war lion for the life of your character and dictate what your fully grown war lion will look like. Yes, I said fully grown; and yes, you get the war lion as an adolescent, and it grows as the player grows.
GS: We've talked a lot recently about the different paths of mastery available to each class. What additional skills will the white lion master have access to?
AG: The white lion, like all careers, has three paths of mastery available to it. The path of the hunter, the path of the axeman, and path of the guardian. Each of these emphasizes a particular aspect of play style for both the master and the pet.
The path of the hunter focuses on equality between elf and war lion; both stride into battle side-by-side, lashing out in powerful combination attacks that can hit multiple opponents at once.
The path of the axeman focuses the offensive role onto the player, while the war lion takes a more defensive role. This line focuses on large, single-target damage, causing the player to rely on his or her war lion or group mates to distract opponents so that the player can make a flank attack.
The path of guardian focuses on helping defend your war lion or group by disabling and reducing your opponents combat abilities and reducing the threat generated by your allies. This allows your war lion or group to take a more offensive role, striking harder with less fear of retribution.

[Stigus]

GS: It sounds like the white lion is a cross between the members of The Gray Company in Lord of the Rings...and Siegfried and Roy. What was your inspiration for the new class?
AG: Choosing the final high elf career was one of the most difficult choices in development. The high elf lore is filled with so many awesome and iconic regiments; we were literally on the fence for months. What finally put us over the edge was a shipment of miniatures and the new Army Book from Games Workshop in June of 2007. Immediately, we were presented with two completely and utterly awesome concepts that outshone everything else. These were the dragon mages who rode ancient dragons into battle and the powerful white lion chariots drawn by noble but savage war lions of Chrace. Long story short, we had some issues with 40-foot tall, three-ton dragon pets. (They tend to want to eat and sleep a lot.) So we opted instead for the equally cool but much more compact ball of fur and fury. With the help of the folks over at Games Workshop HQ, we fleshed out the bond between hunter and war lion, and thus, the white lions of WAR were born.
GS: Tell us a bit about the white lion's homeland Chrace and how it fits into the universe of WAR.
AG: Chrace is the northernmost of the high elf kingdoms; it has a bleak natural beauty with high mountain peaks and thick forests. The population consists primarily of elves that prefer more natural surroundings and a less hectic, less urban lifestyle. Elves of Chrace are hardier and more independent than most of their southern kin, and when they march to war, they do so wearing armor overlaid with thick skins and wielding stout woodsman axes. Due to its location, Chrace is constantly under threat from dark elf raiding parties and is frequently the first defense against invasion from the seas. In the Age of Reckoning, Chrace has been besieged because the dark elves have landed many black arks in the nearby Blighted Isle.
GS: We like how powerful characters will grow and change as their age and skill increase, like how powerful orcs develop surging pecs and biceps after crushing armies of dwarfs. How will the white lions change as they level up throughout the game?
AG: A white lion's visual growth and power is determined less by the player and more by its war lion. Obviously, the player will gain access to cooler and cooler armor and weapons, but you know how badass they really are when you see their war lion.
War lions start out as younglings, and as the player grows in power, so does his or her pet. A war lion will move through four stages of growth; each having a different appearance that stays true to its distinctive markings that were chosen in its infancy. These stages are youngling, adolescent, mature, and elder. An elder war lion, for example, is the most physically imposing and is adorned in armor, while a youngling hasn't even grown a mane yet!
GS: What are the best ways to utilize the white lion? And, if you're a dark elf, what's the best way to counter a man-eating feline besides enchanting it with a pile of catnip?
AG: The war lion is a very flexible pet; since players have access to all of the "training" strategies, they can choose how their lion behaves on the fly. However, each of the pet behaviors is designed to complement a player's mastery. So players who have chosen a specific play style will generally have a pet that's stronger at complementing that play style.
Fighting against a white lion is all about observing its strategy. You need to identify what type of play style it is using and take out the bigger of the two threats first. There are some obvious indications [as] to who is going to put the hurt on you first. Generally, it's the one trying to circle around you to get an exposed flank!

[Zeetchmen]

Everyone knew this since they said it would be a pet class :D

Anyone suprised?

[Stigus]

GS: It seems the white lion is a bit more down-to-earth than his snooty high-elf brethren. How do the white lions fit in the high elf hierarchy?

AG: While the hunters of Chrace are more aloof from society than most high elves, they still serve with great distinction as the personal guard of the Phoenix King. During the civil war between high elf and dark elf, King Caledor the First was beset upon by a troupe of dark elf assassins just moments after he learned he was elected to ascend to the throne. If it was not for the timely intervention from a party of Chracian hunters, the Phoenix King would have been lost and Malekith would rule all of Ulthuan. Since that day, the Phoenix King has never been without an escort of white lion troops.
GS: High elves seem like the most powerful magic users in the game. What manner of sorcery do the white lions bring to the fight, considering they are so attuned to the natural world?
AG: The white lions of Chrace are the least magical of the high elf careers. They tend not to have any overt magical powers. Instead, their innate magic revolves around their bond with their war lion. The link between master and pet goes deep, allowing them to sense each other and react with unnerving coordination and speed.
GS: Finally, what type of player do you think will enjoy using white lion the most?
AG: The white lion is a very attractive career for the player that desires a strong solo experience but also prefers to get in the thick of melee combat. It's one of those careers that is very "new player" friendly but has a lot of depth and takes a good bit of strategy to master.
GS: Thanks for the time.

Now i hope i don't get in trouble for this.

[Foofmonger]

meh ok i am copy pasting, lol

GS: It sounds like training your personal war lion allows for an even greater level of customization. What are the different ways to approach raising your lion? Will they become sad without enough tender loving care, like the puppies in Nintendogs?
AG: The war lion is meant to be a long-term companion unlike the disposable (yet lovable) squigs the squig herder gets. As such, we wanted to give players more options on their pet since they will only get one. These options are fairly simple but significant and include naming your pet and choosing distinctive fur patterns and markings when you first receive your lion. This allows for different white lion players to have semiunique war lions to accompany them. These distinctive markings stay with your war lion for the life of your character and dictate what your fully grown war lion will look like. Yes, I said fully grown; and yes, you get the war lion as an adolescent, and it grows as the player grows.
GS: We've talked a lot recently about the different paths of mastery available to each class. What additional skills will the white lion master have access to?
AG: The white lion, like all careers, has three paths of mastery available to it. The path of the hunter, the path of the axeman, and path of the guardian. Each of these emphasizes a particular aspect of play style for both the master and the pet.
The path of the hunter focuses on equality between elf and war lion; both stride into battle side-by-side, lashing out in powerful combination attacks that can hit multiple opponents at once.
The path of the axeman focuses the offensive role onto the player, while the war lion takes a more defensive role. This line focuses on large, single-target damage, causing the player to rely on his or her war lion or group mates to distract opponents so that the player can make a flank attack.
The path of guardian focuses on helping defend your war lion or group by disabling and reducing your opponents combat abilities and reducing the threat generated by your allies. This allows your war lion or group to take a more offensive role, striking harder with less fear of retribution.

Sounds a bit like the Marauder.

Monstrosity = Hunter
Brutality = Axeman
Savagery = Guardian

Maybe? I'm not sure, but it does sound similar.

[Adrda]

Everyone knew this since they said it would be a pet class :D

Anyone suprised?


i think thats just missing the point, i mean, we know about it now, the basic idea and everything, masteries, the info is golden but yea, you are right it was a given.. :p

[Edrahil Celeborn]

WOW! Im definitly rolling this, I love pets(wolfs and lions the most) and the Brawler fast attack style aswell :D

[Alkarin]

now that this has been revealed i really cant tell what side i want to be. order or destruction :( gona have to roll a dice!

[cazosozey]

ty ty stigus, good stuff

[Miranger]

Its so sad to see that it'll be a "ez mode" class with a pet... all the kiddies will be rolling for the "leetz lionz" hopefully im wrong... because its either White Lion or Disciple for me...

[Kodo Beast]

Sounds a bit like the Marauder.

Monstrosity = Hunter
Brutality = Axeman
Savagery = Guardian

Maybe? I'm not sure, but it does sound similar.

I was going to post about this as well, but forgot the third mastery for the Marauder (Savagery :rolleyes:).

Here's my theory on how the mirrors match up:

White Lions, Shadow Warriors, Squig Herders and Marauders are interlinked.

Shadow Warriors and Squig Herders mirror Mastery paths, but not core mechanics.
Shadow Warriors and Marauders share core mechanics (stances).

White Lions and Marauders mirror Mastery paths, but not core mechanics.
White Lions and Squig Herders share core mechanics (pets).


Squig Herders' Mastery paths will allow them to play like a Shadow Warrior that's stuck in one stance, but with the added versatility of squigs.
White Lions Mastery paths will allow them to play like a Marauder that's stuck in one mutation, but with the added versatility of their lion.

That's the best I can come up with the information at hand.

[Stigus]

Sadly I think this says it all

It's one of those careers that is very "new player" friendly but has a lot of depth and takes a good bit of strategy to master.

[Edrahil Celeborn]

Was there any screenshots in the reveal?

[Edrahil Celeborn]

Its so sad to see that it'll be a "ez mode" class with a pet... all the kiddies will be rolling for the "leetz lionz" hopefully im wrong... because its either White Lion or Disciple for me...


In the reveal they said that the white lion is an easy starter for new beginners, BUT the white lion is also very deep. That means that you need quite a bit of intelligence to be really good at it. So don't worry, let them roll white lions, they will fail at the end anyway :)

[Stigus]

Was there any screenshots in the reveal?

Just the concept art that has been up in the forums for the last week plus another concept art of the Lion itself, sad to say it seems that they have taken down the concept art as well. Looks like someone in GS made a BIG boo boo :p

[Adrda]

Was there any screenshots in the reveal?


nope just Concept art, but it had weapons, different ways the lion pelt could be worn and the elder lion

[Stigus]

These were the dragon mages who rode ancient dragons into battle and the powerful white lion chariots drawn by noble but savage war lions of Chrace. Long story short, we had some issues with 40-foot tall, three-ton dragon pets. (They tend to want to eat and sleep a lot.) So we opted instead for the equally cool but much more compact ball of fur and fury.

As i had said in another thread, now a 40 foot 3 ton dragon would be a REAL pet

[Edrahil Celeborn]

ooh my, wish I could see those lion pictures :(

Thanks to GS we know it all now :D

[Stiltzkin]

Its so sad to see that it'll be a "ez mode" class with a pet... all the kiddies will be rolling for the "leetz lionz" hopefully im wrong... because its either White Lion or Disciple for me...

I agree. Looks like white lions will be op (not overpowered but overplayed ;)). It will be interesting to see how a fight will go between Squig Herder and white lion. considering MDPS is supposed to kill RDPS I think White Lion will be the more respected pet class. I wonder if WL will have less CC than other MDPS careers since he gets a personal tank. Can't wait to watch videos of Blackguards mowing down White Lions.

On another note I kind of want to play one haha. Kind of nice to have the lion grow and change... Then again WL can't blow his lion up or eat it for a heal. :cool:
Could you imagine letting a lion eat you so you can run around inside his stomach? not thanks

[Edrahil Celeborn]

Can't be much left for Mythic to do now, a few bug fixes, some sharpening and its ready to go!



......right?...

[oldguy]

Don't know if anybody has stated the obvious joke, but here goes...

This is the very definition of "letting the cat out of the bag."

Phew, I had to get that out of my system. :cool:

[Edrahil Celeborn]

I agree. Looks like white lions will be op (not overpowered but overplayed ;)). It will be interesting to see how a fight will go between Squig Herder and white lion. considering MDPS is supposed to kill RDPS I think White Lion will be the more respected pet class. I wonder if WL will have less CC than other MDPS careers since he gets a personal tank. Can't wait to watch videos of Blackguards mowing down White Lions.

On another note I kind of want to play one haha. Kind of nice to have the lion grow and change... Then again WL can't blow his lion up or eat it for a heal. :cool:
Could you imagine letting a lion eat you so you can run around inside his stomach? not thanks


CC?

10 characters

[Adrda]

Don't know if anybody has stated the obvious joke, but here goes...

This is the very definition of "letting the cat out of the bag."

Phew, I had to get that out of my system. :cool:

winner.
...10

[Stigus]

Don't know if anybody has stated the obvious joke, but here goes...

This is the very definition of "letting the cat out of the bag."

Phew, I had to get that out of my system. :cool:

+1 in my books, lol

[Stiltzkin]

CC?

10 characters
I have seen hammerers use knockdowns and We know they are giving MDPS classes a way to close the gap. I was thinking they should nerf these things in the white lion considering he can do damage to 2 different people at the same time. The fact that he has a pet should replace SOMETHING.

[Edrahil Celeborn]

I have seen hammerers use knockdowns and We know they are giving MDPS classes a way to close the gap. I was thinking they should nerf these things in the white lion considering he can do damage to 2 different people at the same time. The fact that he has a pet should replace SOMETHING.

NOO! :(

It is balanced through different things that we dont know about. White lion is not an easy class to play with in PVP, you need intelligence and you need to study the battlefield to get the full potencial out of the character.

For example, Hammerer is just a charge, kill and die class, White lion is a hard nut to crack. Not easy to play. But UBER FUN!

[Krulltak]

If I see a lion with the name "echyakee", there will be no survivors within the vicinity.

[dynamo112]

I have seen hammerers use knockdowns and We know they are giving MDPS classes a way to close the gap. I was thinking they should nerf these things in the white lion considering he can do damage to 2 different people at the same time. The fact that he has a pet should replace SOMETHING.

Could always scale down there overall damage to help compensate for x2 attackers (white lion and war lion).

[Edrahil Celeborn]

Could always scale down there overall damage to help compensate for x2 attackers (white lion and war lion).

Hahaha. :) I think Mythic will figure this out. and I dont want this to become like the hunter in WOW. Either you rock and the pet sucks, or the pet rocks and you suck.

please make this a goody class Mythic :(

[Stiltzkin]

Could always scale down there overall damage to help compensate for x2 attackers (white lion and war lion).
This is probably the way they will do it but I think it doesn't really balance. Even while you are rooted your pet would be doing half the damage a hammerer would do. If a hammerer gets rooted he does 0 damage. There has to be something to replace the utility of being in 2 places at once and being able to do half damage even while you aren't personally in melee range. In Squig Herder the balance is that they cannot do any spells if they are too close to an enemy while sorcerer can cast spells in melee range.

[dynamo112]

This is probably the way they will do it but I think it doesn't really balance. Even while you are rooted your pet would be doing half the damage a hammerer would do. If a hammerer gets rooted he does 0 damage. There has to be something to replace the utility of being in 2 places at once and being able to do half damage even while you aren't personally in melee range. In Squig Herder the balance is that they cannot do any spells if they are too close to an enemy while sorcerer can cast spells in melee range.

Well..I believe they've already taken this approach with the SH. They've said it themselves that a SH by himself wont do more/equal damage than any other ranged DPS UNLESS they use there squig (focus fire). So they get there maximum dmg output by combinning both the SH and his squig, then you throw in all the utility abilities and voila a balanced ranged pet class. This is how I think they are going to approach the WL in terms of balance.

[Miranger]

In the reveal they said that the white lion is an easy starter for new beginners, BUT the white lion is also very deep. That means that you need quite a bit of intelligence to be really good at it. So don't worry, let them roll white lions, they will fail at the end anyway :)

If the class will fall under the same fate as the Hunter/Rogue for wow and the Thief for FFXI.
Where they were "kewl and ez" then its a sad day for the HE's. It really doesnt matter if it has some depth to it if its one of those 3 button classes that all the kiddies can just button smash to get by then it'll be a damn shame to see a huge pop of WLs.
In the other hand it does open up the door to have that "well i saw a WL actually not suck today he killed 3 people by himself" comment sporadicly appear on the forums.

[stumbles]

I'm really excited about this class it looks amazing. There are so many classes that look great im so confused on what im going to play.

Did anyone host those White Lion pictures/concept arts from gamestop if so it would be awesome if you could link them. :P

[Garthilk]

Locking to consolidate.

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?p=860726#post860726

Great information folks.