A potential MDPS challenge

[ll Monsters ll]

Let's face it, MDPS classes have they're work cut out for them when taking on a Black Orc in single combat. I don't care what they spec, or what tactics they use, they still have to get within arms reach and that means a good BO will slap them around all day long.

Now, a MDPS class that comes in two pieces, a White Lion. Sure, we can knock one around if we get close, but the other is left free. I'm wondering if there is enough wiggle room here that a White Lion could actually give us a real fight.

Of course the Orc won't actually lose, but a pointy eared git giving a Black Orc a hard time? That's something you don't see every day.

**Of course the opinion in this post is based on no substantial information whatsoever:p**

[Edrahil Celeborn]

Go eat some grass you shame of nature.

I will cut your head off and my lion will take the other thingy that is hanging somewhere down there mmkay?

You'r boyzy friends wont recognize you after im done with you mmkay? :rolleyes:

[Oblivionate]

Go eat some grass you shame of nature.

I will cut your head off and my lion will take the other thingy that is hanging somewhere down there mmkay?

You'r boyzy friends wont recognize you after im done with you mmkay? :rolleyes:

Note the orcs are fungi, and they don't have this "thingy" of which you speak.

[Darzok]

I don't see white lion been able to solo a black orc as both are melee jobs and in melee a black orc as a tank will most likey have ALOT more hp and maybe double the defence so take out the pet you might cut up to half his dps.

Since we don't know much about white lion we can only guess his lion (pet ?) is going to be around half his dps and once killed could take afair bit of time to resummon/raise and so cut his dps alot.

We do know black orc has the most defence vs melee attacks and so been a tank will have high hp and melee defence meaning he will most likey win fairly easy.

Edit Hell i don't think a white lions pet will have the guts to stand up to a massive hulk of a black orc and so would just run at the sight of him if its that brave it would run away form the charge when he yells WAAAGGGGHHHHH.

[ll Monsters ll]

Again, my point is just out of curiosity and unfounded speculation

Hell i don't think a white lions pet will have the guts to stand up to a massive hulk of a black orc and so would just run at the sight of him

lol that's awesome

Go eat some grass you shame of nature.

I will cut your head off and my lion will take the other thingy that is hanging somewhere down there mmkay?

You'r boyzy friends wont recognize you after im done with you mmkay? :rolleyes:

I'm not quite sure you understand how to insult and orc, because you seem to be misinformed about their physiology and value system. A friendly tip though, talking to orcs is general is a bad idea, especially for a sissy elf git. The conversation usually ends about half way through the first sentence when the orc realizes you're not another orc and headbutts you.

[Blood De]

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I love these mods.

I'm surprised you haven't pounded me yet. I must be gettin soft.

[Zeikfried]

I wouldn't rule out anything yet. I pretty sure every MDPS class has the skills and abilites needed to penetrate/debuff through a tank's armor and what not. I know Choppah's do. So really It could and probably will depend on how well you play your class.

Perhaps if both a tank and MDPS played their cards right then maybe the MDPS will lost. But in reality that will happen very slim to none. Exactly how can you expect for everything in a fight on both sides to go perfect?

The same could be said for tank vs Rdps. In this case the RDPS will be more favorable to win, but I still wouldn't rule it out that a tank can not win.

- Z

[Gemini]

I wouldn't rule out anything yet. I pretty sure every MDPS class has the skills and abilites needed to penetrate/debuff through a tank's armor and what not. I know Choppah's do.

How do you know that?

[Zeikfried]

How do you know that?


Here is a link for some of the choppah's skills. Shatter Armor is one skill that reduced targets armor and stacks. Now I do not know if the skills are in the game or if they are still the same. However, this does indicate that they are looking to add something like that for MDPS to compete with heavy armored targets.

No to mention choppah's Berzerk does what +25% more damage? That alone can hurt tanks.

Lastly, if you look at the Witch elf description, it was said that they have skills and abilites that can penetrate or debuff a targets armor.

http://warhammerinfo.com/c-choppa.shtml - Link for Choppah skills.

- Z

[Gemini]

I wouldn't put any stock in old convention skills. Those are at least a year old and made for people to do a quick scenario with. I gaurentee you each and every one of those skills has been majorly tweaked at the very least, and completely revamped or taken out. Hell, even the skills we did see at these conventions changed a lot from convention to convention. The Black Orc's "Right in da Jibblies" had at least three different lifeorums, as did the Zealot's Harbinger. Who knows what they do now?

[Zeikfried]

I wouldn't put any stock in old convention skills. Those are at least a year old and made for people to do a quick scenario with. I gaurentee you each and every one of those skills has been majorly tweaked at the very least, and completely revamped or taken out. Hell, even the skills we did see at these conventions changed a lot from convention to convention. The Black Orc's "Right in da Jibblies" had at least three different lifeorums, as did the Zealot's Harbinger. Who knows what they do now?


You may be right. However, this still points that they are looking to give MDPS these skills and buffs. I am sure they will give these classes these skills. It would be pretty dumb for them not to.. Otherwise it would simply either 1. make the tank class OP. or 2. this game will be about Rock, Paper, Sissors just like in WoW. Which if this game is about RPS (rock, paper, sissors) then this game will not be about skill since you can indefinately lose to your counter class.

Just like most tanks have a way to slow down other classes to counter against RDPS.

- Z

[Eske Kjaer]

If you think "balance" means every character can solo every other character you are sadly mistaken... that would negate the purpose of teamwork altogether.

[Zeikfried]

If you think "balance" means every character can solo every other character you are sadly mistaken... that would negate the purpose of teamwork altogether.

So what if there is a group out there that doesn't have a tank class going up against a group with the same classes but also a tank?

I think you can say that doesn't seem balanced to me. Because all that is going to do is cause stacking and alot of balanced issues. How can you expect for all grouped fight to have everyone type of class? Or even RvR to have the right adjustment of classes?

I would believe that all classes will have some abilities to hold their own against every type of class and even defeat any type of class if done so correctly. Just incase certain groups are lacking in one type of class for their own.

- Z

[Servitude]

Frankly speaking, I think that theorycrafting about a class which we have very little information about is wasted effort. Even then, we don't know about Black Orcs 100% either. Perhaps we should wait on the speculation until we actually get into the Beta/Live and start whomping 'dem gitz!

[Faezroth]

Let's face it, MDPS classes have they're work cut out for them when taking on a Black Orc in single combat. I don't care what they spec, or what tactics they use, they still have to get within arms reach and that means a good BO will slap them around all day long.

Now, a MDPS class that comes in two pieces, a White Lion. Sure, we can knock one around if we get close, but the other is left free. I'm wondering if there is enough wiggle room here that a White Lion could actually give us a real fight.

Of course the Orc won't actually lose, but a pointy eared git giving a Black Orc a hard time? That's something you don't see every day.

**Of course the opinion in this post is based on no substantial information whatsoever:p**

It will probably won't make any difference. The lion will be scratching the tank's boots while the "white lion" will be either runnign around like a sissy ( in case he has the appropriate mastery, in which case the black orc's stuns, knockbacks etc will force him to be trampled in melee at some point) or will be in melee anyway and the same thing will happen.

[Hurkatan]

Marauder +Claw Mutation + Savagery Specced = Tank Killer :) (or at least hold their own hopefully)

[Darzok]

Marauder +Claw Mutation + Savagery Specced = Tank Killer :)


I dont think 1 MDPS will solo a good tank even if you spec for max damage i get the feeling only a mage will be able to solo a tank well.

I mean if 1 MDPS can solo a good tank there is no reason to have a tank you just all got MDPS and melt the enemy befor tanking becomes needed.

At most i see you giving him a good fight and most likey been able to kill a bad tank fairly easy but then again with it been a team based game 1 on 1 will be hard to come by.

[Yojinj]

The conversation usually ends about half way through the first sentence when the orc realizes you're not another orc and headbutts you.

Funny, even if it would be another orc, the chance of that headbutt is like 70%.

[Wihtgar]

As an orc tank, I would be more concerned going up against a witch hunter than a hammerer or white lion, at least that's what I'm guessing at this point. A tank should be able to take out most pure melee classes, but classes like witch hunter will be mixing in some unusual attacks which may side step a tanks defenses.

[Chosen]

I dont think 1 MDPS will solo a good tank even if you spec for max damage i get the feeling only a mage will be able to solo a tank well.

I mean if 1 MDPS can solo a good tank there is no reason to have a tank you just all got MDPS and melt the enemy befor tanking becomes needed.

At most i see you giving him a good fight and most likey been able to kill a bad tank fairly easy but then again with it been a team based game 1 on 1 will be hard to come by.


I second that theory - a MDPS soloing a tank with ease would undermine the whole idea of tanks in RvR IMO. On the other hand, I sure hope that in the end it's mostly down to the skills of the players and not so much the gear and rock, paper, sissors game-mechanic that determines the outcome.

[Faezroth]

Marauder +Claw Mutation + Savagery Specced = Tank Killer :)

This single post came to existence through the combination of:

1) Lack of evidence
2) 8 year old's reading comprehension
3) Futile hopes of being "imba" and pwning everyone

[Hurkatan]

This single post came to existence through the combination of:

1) Lack of evidence
2) 8 year old's reading comprehension
3) Futile hopes of being "imba" and pwning everyone

Well now don't we like to be condescending. Way to be an imature prick man, I just hope I dont meet many like you after launch. Good day to you sir, and please do not try and bring this kind of negativity to the game. :eek:

[Hurkatan]

I dont think 1 MDPS will solo a good tank even if you spec for max damage i get the feeling only a mage will be able to solo a tank well.

I mean if 1 MDPS can solo a good tank there is no reason to have a tank you just all got MDPS and melt the enemy befor tanking becomes needed.

At most i see you giving him a good fight and most likey been able to kill a bad tank fairly easy but then again with it been a team based game 1 on 1 will be hard to come by.

Yes I understand, my post was not supposed to be taken all too literally. However I do believe with the armor penetration from that mutation they will fare better than other MDPS in that situation.

[Faiike]

Yes I understand, my post was not supposed to be taken all too literally. However I do believe with the armor penetration from that mutation they will fare better than other MDPS in that situation.

Dot's tend not to be mitigated by armor, and the claw is focused around bleeding.

Now, I wouldn't go as far as to say "Tank Killer" since the only thing that can kill a tank is an AFK healer. But, think about it. The White Lion, Squig Herder, Shadow Warrior, and Marauder all help mirror each other. So, in my opinion, if Marauders have a DoT specialty, expect some from the White Lion as well.

(Though I would agree that, of the 6 melee DPS classes, those two would have the "easiest" time with a tank.)

[KaosShaman]

why's a marauder fighting a Black Orc in the first place your on the same side

[Faezroth]

Well now don't we like to be condescending. Way to be an imature prick man, I just hope I dont meet many like you after launch. Good day to you sir, and please do not try and bring this kind of negativity to the game. :eek:

Yes, the community would be better off if it was brimming with people who litter the forums with false information.

[JPL2007]

why's a marauder fighting a Black Orc in the first place your on the same side

Well its simple, Name is Black ORC, and as an Orc, loves to fight anything within reach, ideally last things they fight is there own mates, so if Chaos Marauder is there, he can expect a teeth kicking for being able to fight. When I myself play own Black Orc, policy works fine for me.

Regarding our beloved Greenskined Breeze block for Brain Orc, as long as no pointy eared softy can whoop him in melee, Wont be shamed into leaving game

[madival]

from the way i precieved them, the melee dps classes arent supposed to simply run up and try and take someone. a 1v1 battle is decent for them but not what they want. and the black orc excells at 1v1 crap and is evenbetter at 1v2 i think it would be b orc hands down