Steamships!

[Grimr]

"Dwarfs have a strong dislike for water and the dwarfs of Barak Varr are unusual in that some of them became sailors. Even so, they still do not relish on flimsy wooden ships wich could easyly break in a strong gale. They put their faith in huge iron constructions driven by paddles powered by steam boilers wich are located deep within the armoured hulls of these vessels, the workings of wich are kepy secret by the Engineers Guild"

As some of you may, mostly you MIRC folks, have noticed I am as of late quite obsessed with the idea of owning one of above mentioned ships and boats wich are certain to appear at the opening of Warhammer Online for all I know. Now to the point of this topic:

Features & Suggestions

Full-scale naval PvP combat!
This could include ship to ship attacks, using ship-based weaponry.
Ships are also not limited to attacking other ships, and can also attack land based targets, such as settlements. Of course, these settlements aren’t defenseless; they can use cannons of their own to return the favor. One can imagine this could create some awe-inspiring battles...

Plenty of Choice!
Ships could come in variety of sizes, from small boats on rivers, trading ships to huge battleships, for large number of players are required to effectively crew the larger classes of ship...

Weather!
How about a dynamic weather system, that will affect things like wind direction. Sailing your ship into an opposing wind will slow it down, making it considerably less maneuverable unless your on a dwarf vessel...

Coal!
Dwarf vessels would need coal to be used to steampower the paddles, now a ship could have bunkers to store coal wich they have to purchase to actually sail out. and someone to throw em into the fire...

Ship Features!

While thinking over what I would like to see on a ship is to make it look as authentical as possible. below a list of what i would love to see, got a suggestion?

The Bridge, commando post on the ship
Bunks, Sleepplaces for the crew
Cargo bay, for the traders among us.
Captains's Hut.
Gunnery depot
Machine room
Supply room + Kitchen onboard
Coalbunkers

<more to come>

[Tallador]

You also have to include ship to ship attacking, with goblins and orcs and dwarves able to board each others' boats and then engage in an all out melee for control. So that way, a dwarf could be driving around in an orc boat as a trophy with the skulls of the former captain hung on the sides!

[Grimr]

You also have to include ship to ship attacking, with goblins and orcs and dwarves able to board each others' boats and then engage in an all out melee for control. So that way, a dwarf could be driving around in an orc boat as a trophy with the skulls of the former captain hung on the sides!

Good idea and being able to loot the ship of its cargo and wealth if you killed off the crew!

Sinking it afterwards will add maybe a form of repuation on the sea's?

[Deathstroke]

That would be a pretty cool battleground concept for that zone!

I'm thinking kinda of a full scale greenskin naval landing into Barak Varr with perhaps a couple of iron clads defending the port.

The greenskins send in their cannon fodder gobbos and dumb orcs to occupy the ironclads while the orc Kommandoz (You the player) must infiltrate the ships and disable them (A bone into the cogs kinda thing). Then the orcish armada deploys a full scale landing into the dwarves mighty port defenses.

Now as I sit and type this I imagine Omaha beach... but with row boats, orcish marines, dwarves in bunkers and towers manning cannons and guns killing thousands with deadly crossfire. And I imagine a giant Dwarven mega cannon of death kinda thing and Orc Kommandoz must also infiltrate and disable it as well as those other cannons mounted on the walls. This will allow enough of the green horde to finally overwhelm the orcish defenses break down the fortress doors.

Phew...

[Grimr]

That would be a pretty cool battleground concept for that zone!

I'm thinking kinda of a full scale greenskin naval landing into Barak Varr with perhaps a couple of iron clads defending the port.

The greenskins send in their cannon fodder gobbos and dumb orcs to occupy the ironclads while the orc Kommandoz (You the player) must infiltrate the ships and disable them (A bone into the cogs kinda thing). Then the orcish armada deploys a full scale landing into the dwarves mighty port defenses.

Now as I sit and type this I imagine Omaha beach... but with row boats, orcish marines, dwarves in bunkers and towers manning cannons and guns killing thousands with deadly crossfire. And I imagine a giant Dwarven mega cannon of death kinda thing and Orc Kommandoz must also infiltrate and disable it as well as those other cannons mounted on the walls. This will allow enough of the green horde to finally overwhelm the orcish defenses break down the fortress doors.

Phew...

"More then one nation has tried to assault Barak Varr by sea in the pas, but the immense firepower of the dwarf fleet has always drivenaway enemy armadas."

^_^

[Thargan]

I'm not to keen on Warhammer geography, but wouldn't it be cool to assault some of the larger cities by ships? You could have of your army charge through land and the other half land on the ocean.

[Grimr]

I'm not to keen on Warhammer geography, but wouldn't it be cool to assault some of the larger cities by ships? You could have of your army charge through land and the other half land on the ocean.
Imagine something like this:

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/7937/dwarfportofbarakvarrwu3.jpg

Moving to a boardside and sailing by harbour defenses opening fire! BOEM!

[Khaela-Mensha-Khaine]

Oh man, just thinking about it makes me want to own one, and ill be playing an elf :P.

Although I was wondering what types of things could u eventually own? Given the proper amount of time, could u say own your own house, keep, wagon, boat, steamtank? Could u own several homes? Go into the property market? Lots of questions i know.

[Grimr]

Oh man, just thinking about it makes me want to own one, and ill be playing an elf :P.

Although I was wondering what types of things could u eventually own? Given the proper amount of time, could u say own your own house, keep, wagon, boat, steamtank? Could u own several homes? Go into the property market? Lots of questions i know.

I do not think player houses will be in yet, they seem to be subject of discussion at the moment, ships on the other hand seem to be in at the start.

I wouldn't mind a elf coal shoveller but... OI don't want to have to look at your or hear you... ^_^

[VlennikAzulgrund]

Plenty of Choice!
Ships could come in variety of sizes, from small boats on rivers, trading ships to huge battleships, for large number of players are required to effectively crew the larger classes of ship...


That would be nice, and of coarse, the bigger the boat, the bigger/more numerous are the guns! :mrgreen:

[Grimr]

That would be nice, and of coarse, the bigger the boat, the bigger/more numerous are the guns! :mrgreen:

Well, then check this dreamship out, The Ironclad.

I expect it to be one of the larger ships, looking at the firepower on it...

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8200/dwarfironcladxo0.jpg

[Kapko]

Grimr, Found some goodies for you.

http://thewarband.com/gallery/wizardworld/wizardworld50

http://thewarband.com/gallery/wizardworld/wizardworld48

http://thewarband.com/gallery/wizardworld/wizardworld52

[Laser]

Grimr, Found some goodies for you.

http://thewarband.com/gallery/wizardworld/wizardworld50

http://thewarband.com/gallery/wizardworld/wizardworld48

http://thewarband.com/gallery/wizardworld/wizardworld52
*drools*
I can't wait to go kill some pansy dark elf with that!

[Grimr]

Grimr, Found some goodies for you.

http://thewarband.com/gallery/wizardworld/wizardworld50

http://thewarband.com/gallery/wizardworld/wizardworld48

http://thewarband.com/gallery/wizardworld/wizardworld52

Awesome! Thanks Kapko!

I noticed some intresting things, the Ironclad looks small in the first few screenes but the second has dwarfs on it and the ship is actually huge, a battleship...

A second note is that in the right top corner the map seems to be a Stirringwheel of a ship, perhaps when entering a vessel it appears?

Thanks again!

[Snorri]

Wow!!! Awsome pictures :D

I want a steamboat!!
Thats a damn meaty looking cannon, imagine blowing the greenskins off their puny little decks with that!!

Those steamships just look...I mean... how can I express this overwhelming feeling of coolness radiating from those pics? :cool:

[JonesyMan]

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but those ships could just be for looks. They could use ships as a means of travel, but there has been no word on whether or not they will be used for combat. Would be a pretty cool sight though if that was to happen.

[Grimr]

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but those ships could just be for looks. They could use ships as a means of travel, but there has been no word on whether or not they will be used for combat. Would be a pretty cool sight though if that was to happen.
Your not bursting anything today mate, its confirmed that we can fight with ships by devs at the launch of the game. I do expect they cost a small fortune...

or I must be completly off with what I been reading..

EDit: EEk, maybe I am way off :(

[JonesyMan]

I completely take back what I said and happily await the ability to sink thoase stunties and their iron behemoths. :D

[Snorri]

With what? Piles of orc poop? You've got nothing on pure dwarfen craftsmanship!!! I look forward to blowing you out of the sky!!

[JonesyMan]

Oh it is on now. :D

Just watchin those sink will bring goosebumps to my greenskin.:D

[Grimr]

Lets keep it on topic Gentlemen :P

[Tallador]

Imagine something like all the races having boats, can you imagine things like a Dark Elf fleet cruising through the High Elven waters, preying on small armadas and what not. Or a Orc and Goblin invasion with a diversionary fleet as well as an army on foot. While the dwarfen defenders are fending off people on top of the boats, the Slayers are heroically fending off hundreds in a land battle! The possibilities are endless.

The Chaos boats, manned by Dark Men and imbued with the powers of the Lord of Change, sail towards the capital of Altdorf, while the wooden armada of the Empire sits in the ports and waits for the inevitable.

It blows my mind thinking about how cool it could be!

[Grimr]

Imagine something like all the races having boats, can you imagine things like a Dark Elf fleet cruising through the High Elven waters, preying on small armadas and what not. Or a Orc and Goblin invasion with a diversionary fleet as well as an army on foot. While the dwarfen defenders are fending off people on top of the boats, the Slayers are heroically fending off hundreds in a land battle! The possibilities are endless.

The Chaos boats, manned by Dark Men and imbued with the powers of the Lord of Change, sail towards the capital of Altdorf, while the wooden armada of the Empire sits in the ports and waits for the inevitable.

It blows my mind thinking about how cool it could be!

Aye, but we still know so little still, I can only hope we will have such a gameplay!

[Deathstroke]

All this speculation is all well and fun but you shouldn't bring up your hopes like that. I for one would LOVE sea combat, I'm a pirate at heart and the thought of raming an ironclad full of slayer pirates and buckshot into a feeble dark elf black ark is just too cool to be left out but...

Let's face it, almost all these suggestions and thoughts are pipe dreams that can never be. (Least till expansion =] )

While we may be able to fight onboard an ironclad, the thought of using its cannons is not that great and of piloting one is so incredibly low, plus any hope for an orc vs dwarf naval battle is probably too good to be true.

So in short, dream big but expect small.

[Morac]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to second Deathstroke there. The style of playing would be almost a completely different game, and I'm pretty sure the Dev team will be hard pushed with all the content that they've already set out to do.

[Grimr]

All this speculation is all well and fun but you shouldn't bring up your hopes like that. I for one would LOVE sea combat, I'm a pirate at heart and the thought of raming an ironclad full of slayer pirates and buckshot into a feeble dark elf black ark is just too cool to be left out but...

Let's face it, almost all these suggestions and thoughts are pipe dreams that can never be. (Least till expansion =] )

While we may be able to fight onboard an ironclad, the thought of using its cannons is not that great and of piloting one is so incredibly low, plus any hope for an orc vs dwarf naval battle is probably too good to be true.

So in short, dream big but expect small.
Yes, we had the same discussion too on Mirc Last night, I am m ost defintly expecting to much of it but we'll have to wait for more information on the subject.

One side says its to good to be true, the otehr side says "hey there was movement with ships possible at DAOC, maybe they improved it?"

/me shrugs. Only time will tell :(

[Doulos]

hmmmm. in man of war the dwarfs used to have submarines...

I need say nothing else...:D

[JonesyMan]

Do the orcs have ships in their arsenal? I do not recall seeing or reading about any in the Warhammer IP.

I would like to see the ability to board opposing ships and fight onboard. This could lead to some very good strategy play for players who are captains of these ships.

[Tallador]

Oh of course they have

Taken from http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/gaming/boats/living_ship/default.htm

Ships made from wood and iron are not the only vessels upon the seas of the Warhammer world. Boats of bone, fur, and scale also ply the oceans, bearing sailors of many races to destinations all across the Old World and beyond. The Skaven of Clan Moulder claim to have bred a giant bilge rat to carry troops to islands where the Under-Empire’s tunnels cannot reach. There are whispered rumors that certain Orc tribes have discovered a massive Sea Squig and are using it to raid shipping lanes. According to legend, one of the proud Tomb Kings of Khemri commands a huge crocodile made of mummified bones to transport his retinue along the coast.

And also there is

Imagine knocking a few holes in the side and patching them up with crooked boards and broken shields for an Orc Raiders' ship?Or perhaps a few ornately carved balsa wood details and some brighter colors on the ship’s timbers to make for a Bretonnian vessel? A twin-tailed comet or a crowned skull with wreaths on the sail would suggest an Empire ship. And the skull and crossbones symbol works for pirates of any race!

Taken from the http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/gaming/boats/boat2.htm

So yes, there is proof Orcs can have boats.

[Snorri]

Oh they have.... blocks which are capeable of floating on the sea, aye, usually laden with troops of greenskins. But they dannae have anything that can be compared against the might of a dwarfen steam ship!!! No one has! We have tha' best machines, tanks, and ships in the old world, nothing can stand in our way!!

Eat cannon balls ye nasty snotling fondling elf kissers!!

[Deathstroke]

Oh of course they have

Taken from http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/gaming/boats/living_ship/default.htm

Ships made from wood and iron are not the only vessels upon the seas of the Warhammer world. Boats of bone, fur, and scale also ply the oceans, bearing sailors of many races to destinations all across the Old World and beyond. The Skaven of Clan Moulder claim to have bred a giant bilge rat to carry troops to islands where the Under-Empire’s tunnels cannot reach. There are whispered rumors that certain Orc tribes have discovered a massive Sea Squig and are using it to raid shipping lanes. According to legend, one of the proud Tomb Kings of Khemri commands a huge crocodile made of mummified bones to transport his retinue along the coast.

And also there is

Imagine knocking a few holes in the side and patching them up with crooked boards and broken shields for an Orc Raiders' ship?Or perhaps a few ornately carved balsa wood details and some brighter colors on the ship’s timbers to make for a Bretonnian vessel? A twin-tailed comet or a crowned skull with wreaths on the sail would suggest an Empire ship. And the skull and crossbones symbol works for pirates of any race!

Taken from the http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/gaming/boats/boat2.htm

So yes, there is proof Orcs can have boats.

That's awesome, I have the white dwarf issue which was dedicated to naval combat and there was a wide variety of ships, every race can be adapted to the high seas.

Dark Elves have sleek, fast raider ships crewed by Corsairs looking for helpless villagers to enslave.

High Elven ships are also sleek and fast, with crewes of disciplined bowmen and ballistas that patrol and protect their homeland from foreign threats.

Chaos has viking longships filled with marauders for raiding coastlines

Well you see where I'm going with this.

[Grimr]

That's awesome, I have the white dwarf issue which was dedicated to naval combat and there was a wide variety of ships, every race can be adapted to the high seas.

Dark Elves have sleek, fast raider ships crewed by Corsairs looking for helpless villagers to enslave.

High Elven ships are also sleek and fast, with crewes of disciplined bowmen and ballistas that patrol and protect their homeland from foreign threats.

Chaos has viking longships filled with marauders for raiding coastlines

Well you see where I'm going with this.
Unfortunately at Mirc many people are starting to doubt we can move them but think there a instant of sort due to the devs having to develop a whole new way of combatsystem, if must admit they have a point so we'll still have to wait for more information on the subject...

[Tallador]

Or if anything we might have to wait for an expansion.

Something like if they release Lustria and Naggaroth then from there we can use boats to travel there and fight each other on the high seas.

[Thargan]

We have Naggaroth, I think. Theres a picture of the areas we will be playing in, and it includes these locations: Naggaroth and Ulthuan, The Empire and Chaos Wastes, and the Worlds Edge mountains. I'll find the image and put it on here later.

[GreyWarlord]

I read this article in the Dwarf Army Book for tabletop and I and my skaven-playing friend (pity him) have spent some time modelling fleets for a re-enactment of this battle. The idea is just too cool.

The Battle of Bloodwater Sound. After destroying the fleets of the Human realms, a Skaven fleet rampages along the coasts of the Old World looting and destroying. Dwarf Ironclads from Barak Varr seek out and defeat the Skaven in the Black Gulf.

[Grork BoneChompa]

Heheheh! Silly Ratzies.....Dey sqeel funnee wen yoo boots 'em en da gut....dey not tazt good doh....

[Grimr]

Ofcourse the Ironclads won, there massive an d more then dangerous compared to the flimsy ships the other races have..

[Ilairon]

I suppose this is more of a technical question, and it may not matter much since this is a fantasy setting, but those ironclads don't look like they'd fair too well out on the high seas, especially in storms. I'm certain in shallow areas and along the coastline they'd be unstoppable, but I can't see them being able to cross the ocean or go into areas of intense storms or depth. I'm thinking in terms of the early ironclads of the American civil war, where the union vessel sank in a storm offshore instead of an actual battle.

Mind, perhaps these are to be more like ocean-spanning dreadnoughts, but they don't look akin to those and they do heavily resemble the design of the Monitor and the Merrimack.

All in all, though, ocean combat would be quite cool!

[GreyWarlord]

Merrimack? That ship was the CSS Virginia thank you very much. And the Monitor was just a perverted Yankee copy, of course it sank.

As far as ironclads traversing the oceans, their lower height makes them less likely to tip over and their shape makes them more stable. The only real problem would be if a port or turret was open when a big wave passed over the ship.

[Matthias Redblade]

I think that all races will have ships, go to http://www.war-rvr.net/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=29&page=inline&id=287&catid=1&limitstart=48
and see it for your selves:D

[notit]

You also have to include ship to ship attacking, with goblins and orcs and dwarves able to board each others' boats and then engage in an all out melee for control. So that way, a dwarf could be driving around in an orc boat as a trophy with the skulls of the former captain hung on the sides!

A goblin pirate's life for me, please. kthx.


Seriously, it would be so awesome.

[Bigvinuy]

Troglagobs and Slayer Pirates, you say? Where do I stow away?

[Deathstroke]

I think that all races will have ships, go to http://www.war-rvr.net/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=29&page=inline&id=287&catid=1&limitstart=48
and see it for your selves:D


That's an awesome Orc landing craft hmmm...


http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/conceptArt/full/CA_May_2006_06.jpg

The top side cannons really should be in a revolving turret

[luy22]

Empire ships are... Well.. watch Pirates of the carribean. :P

[peo]

Ships in the warhammer world :)
I have the game they made about it :) Man o'war (or some spelling like that).
Have to say that the dwarf ships in that game look cooler than the graphics here. Anyway darkelves use their black arks, essentially floating castles they broke loose from the coast of the elven island and to supplement them they use monsters.

Chaos have some intresting ships, mainly based around ramming.
Chaos dwarfs have their usual huge weapons that arn't reliable and ships specialized into ramming, for example a waterborne steamroller :D

Empire uses galleys and "normal" human ships. High elves use slender fast ships, that also excels at ramming (ramming beeing a very large part of the game :) ) and the large elven ships can't be built again as they were constructed from giant trees that have all been destroyed.

Orcs, their ships look like a floating siege tower powered by orcs running inside the wheel so to speak. No guns but a giant hammer on the largest one and catapults on the smaller ships.

Dwarfs now, their base was monitors, one turret in the front/middle and a large paddlewheel at the back. Then they had two larger ships, the ironclad and the dreadnaught. Ironclads had two turrets firing in 180 degree arcs forward and aft while dreadnaugts had 4 turrets that could fire 90 degrees each. Dwarfs also had the possibility to repair their damaged ships during combat. They also had submarines :) with unreliable clockwork torpedoes.

The dwarven ships on thoose pics look more like monitors with the paddlewheels to the sides and two small turrets than the ironclads imo.