The WAR Database - good or bad? [Archive]

Zoatibix

08-08-2008, 04:38 AM

Okay, probably both :D

I'm really intrested in this thing. A wide overview of what's happening in WAR, plenty of bragging rights, etc.

I think there will be a lot of information on there - I hope that we get to see stuff like breakdown of races and classes, for example.

I'm never going to place anywhere significant on the various honour tables but meh.

My only concern is that some people might be dismissive to other players based on their relative 'ratings' (Can you guess where I've seen that kinda attitude before, can ya?)

What would you like to see included in the Database and how do you feel about it overall?

Fastphoenix

08-08-2008, 04:54 AM

Personally... think Thottbot/WowHead.

A database site with info on everything and anything.

Browncoat-WHA

08-08-2008, 04:57 AM

We actually have a brand new forum for this stuff - the Wardb one. Moving that there now.

*MOVED to WARDB with a dvd rack*

FenixStryk

08-08-2008, 04:58 AM

Hehehe. WoW Armory wasn't so bad until Arena became more important than BGs and World PvP. Then people just flipped out whenever someone said something and didn't have a 2k rating and the best gear in the game.

Databases like WoWHead and Thottbot arn't a bad thing, though. They might ruin immersion a bit and cause people to be more anti-social (people will shun you for asking for help instead of helping, because there are guides like WoWHead) but that's about it.

Ouchy Dathurts

08-08-2008, 05:19 AM

While I don't play wow and haven't for years. I liked the WoW armory. EQ2 had EQ2players, a service they charged for to get most features. WoW gave a farm more complex and intuitive system to there players for absolutely nothing. Maybe I'm just salty because Sony is such a money grubbing company. But having a resource like that, that is so in depth for nothing is quite nice.

Not sure what fansite database I'll use for WAR. I guess I'll check them all out till I find the one I feel provides the best answers with the least amount of work.

Katemonster

08-08-2008, 05:24 AM

If you don't like databases, don't use them. :p

Seriously it's something for people to look at to look up gear, quests, scenario information etc. I'll probably ignore it's existence for the first few weeks of WAR because I like to discover things on my own and don't want anything spoiled. As far as my characters being on there, meh. I have no one to impress so I don't really care. ;)

-Kate.

pewpewarrows

08-08-2008, 06:24 AM

What's also good to know is that if you really would like to see a feature implemented, WarDB will not be the only Warhammer Database site out there. There's another one that's been kept under wraps called Tome of War. It's premiering the day the NDA lifts next week. It's primary purpose is to be an independent and community-driven WAR database, where the playerbase is actively involved in suggesting new features and contributing. It's also going to have a lot of features previously unseen in a database, such as live RvR battle maps for every server, a character profile creator (allowing you to create, save, rate, and comment on Mastery Builds, Equipment Sets, Tactic loadouts, etc), and an entire Guild-centered portion of the site.

So yeah, rest assured, if you want to see something done, don't hesitate to make your voice heard on this forum. I'm watching closely ;)

Also, as I side note friendly competition is always a good thing. I'm confident that WarDB and myself will keep each other always aiming for the next best feature. Either way, the community wins.

Hysteria

08-08-2008, 07:45 AM

I think its good when you start playing the game threw once. But after you play threw the game you basically know what you doing and dont need much help.

Shafted

08-08-2008, 07:56 AM

I'm really looking forward to this site when it comes out.

Kody

08-08-2008, 11:43 AM

I think you guys will be pretty excited about some of the things we'll have. We don't want to tip our hand just yet on some of them (mostly because we're still working out the logistics on how some will work), but by the time Open Beta and eventually release hits, WARDB will be quite the website to visit for Warhammer Online data.

And just think, that's just barely a month away now. I'm personally pretty excited. :)

Hawke

08-08-2008, 03:20 PM

Is your plug-in already being feed by beta players by the way ? Or the database will be feed a soon as the server (open beta or what not) launch ?

pewpewarrows

08-08-2008, 06:02 PM

Is your plug-in already being feed by beta players by the way ? Or the database will be feed a soon as the server (open beta or what not) launch ?

Any information about the game or any data from the game cannot be shared with anyone that is not the person covered by the NDA, until the NDA is lifted. I've received confirmation from Mythic that it's fine to store as much data about that game as you want, as long as it's in a location such as your computer that no one else has access to. As soon as the NDA drops though, that collected information is fair game.

Take from that what you will ;)

Ayetalam

08-08-2008, 08:46 PM

Guys, i think you are misunderstanding what this is. This is gonna be the WoWHead/Thottbot of Warhammer, not the WoW Armory.

The WoW Armory/Camelot Herald combo will be the Realm War on the official site which currently is only available to Beta testers: http://realmwar.warhammeronline.com/realmwar/Index.war

[Edit] Actually its gonna be like WoWDB which is also run by Curse. WARDB will use the same technology with the WHA and Curse alliance with more features (according to Garthilk in the other thread. Here is a link: http://www.wowdb.com/

Garthilk

08-08-2008, 10:38 PM

Why couldn't it be like the armory also?

Maybe it shows off all your characters achievements. Their latest titles. The gear they're wearing. I don't see why it couldn't do that. ;)

Katemonster

08-08-2008, 10:46 PM

Why couldn't it be like the armory also?

Maybe it shows off all your characters achievements. Their latest titles. The gear they're wearing. I don't see why it couldn't do that. ;)

We need something to do at work while we're bored and can't play. ;) (For those of you who at least have internet... *grumble*)

Honestly it'll be a valuable resource for those who want to use it. If you don't like the idea of the database and loathe any foreseeable "spoilers" then just don't click the link to the page. :p I'm an anal retentive perfectionist collection and achievement addict, so for me after the first few weeks of exploring on my own I'll be checking that out so I can satisfy my ToK urges completely and with utter fulfillment. :grin:

-Kate.

Ayetalam

08-10-2008, 05:26 AM

Why couldn't it be like the armory also?

Maybe it shows off all your characters achievements. Their latest titles. The gear they're wearing. I don't see why it couldn't do that. ;)

It could, but would be redundant since the official Realm War will probably used more than it.

Up to you. You guys are putting the time into it. Though now I see why you needed ASP.NET coders a while back :P

Kinthral

08-10-2008, 04:23 PM

It could, but would be redundant since the official Realm War will probably used more than it.
Redundancy is one of the tenets of a database site though - it's the same information available elsewhere, but all in one place. I would think it'd be nice to have the information that Realm War will have combined with WARDB, unless it can't be made available "in full force". And even then, some folks might still use it if it has everything they need.

But you are correct, it is more time for a feature some may never even use.

Kody

08-10-2008, 05:24 PM

This is the advantage of using a flexible design for WOWDB; we can implement tech like character profiles fairly smoothly on WARDB as the basics will remain the same: equipment profile, statistics, etc. We want to provide a comprehensive set of database resources to the community, so the likelyhood of something you can think the game needs in a database being offered is pretty high, regardless of who else is doing it.

stewie-Y

08-11-2008, 02:40 AM

This all sounds very interesting, in my opinion. It has a great amount of potential.

And I've actually never heard about the WoWDB. How new is it?

hatmaster

08-11-2008, 03:11 AM

Question:
Will running the program in the background that retrieves the stuff we see and do, and our profiles ... will this increase our WAR latency or increase game fps?

Garthilk

08-11-2008, 07:37 AM

Question:
Will running the program in the background that retrieves the stuff we see and do, and our profiles ... will this increase our WAR latency or increase game fps?
No and no. The file is so small, if you meet the minimum system requirements for the game, the addon should be nearly imperceptible to your playing experience.

stewie-Y

08-11-2008, 04:29 PM

No and no. The file is so small, if you meet the minimum system requirements for the game, the addon should be nearly imperceptible to your playing experience.
Awesome. And it'll be hidden(sort've) so it won't take up another icon in the taskbar, correct?

Ayetalam

08-11-2008, 05:21 PM

I assume the thing doing the tracking and recording is a WAR Addon that runs alongside your other addons and is inside the game. It generates a file that the program then uploads to their servers.

So most of the time you don't even need it running. Just launch it when you want the info to be uploaded. Or if you leave it on it will be a tiny icon next to your time that takes up little memory. Like the current Curse Client for WoW.

Sleep

08-12-2008, 05:00 PM

Dis be a great idea! I be usin' it plenty to help with da smashin' of dem stunties!

Bonafide

08-13-2008, 02:32 PM

OK sorry to ask but is this similar to thottbot and wowhead? where you can have a little program running that uploads data automatically to the site? I would use it to help out the site if it was the case. Although I hope its more like wowhead, which is far more heavily moderated to avoid flame wars as opposed to thottbot where you can browse literally hundreds of replies without finding a coherent answer to the item in question.

Nerissa

08-13-2008, 05:40 PM

Why couldn't it be like the armory also?

Maybe it shows off all your characters achievements. Their latest titles. The gear they're wearing. I don't see why it couldn't do that. ;)

It would need access to character info in order to do that. The WoW armory was created by Blizzard which has access to all of that.

But a third party would only ever have access to information that is logged to the site manually, using a mod plugin to take the data from the game. If Mythic seriously does create its own version of the WoW armory, no third party could ever hope to compete with that kind of ease of use.

Sorry to rain on your parade.

Gröm

08-13-2008, 07:26 PM

What's also good to know is that if you really would like to see a feature implemented, WarDB will not be the only Warhammer Database site out there. (...) Also, as I side note friendly competition is always a good thing. I'm confident that WarDB and myself will keep each other always aiming for the next best feature. Either way, the community wins.
It's like Pewpewarrows said: either way the comunity wins with that feature - even if at the end you won't need it much unless things change for quite a bit.

Cheers for this upcoming forum and threads!

Skage

08-16-2008, 03:46 AM

Garthilk

08-16-2008, 08:31 AM

OK sorry to ask but is this similar to thottbot and wowhead? where you can have a little program running that uploads data automatically to the site?
Yes, it is similar to those sites.

Desagidit

08-16-2008, 08:56 PM

Yea, thottbot/wowhead are good examples, I'd imagine.

If you don't want to use it, you never have to. But if you do, there's a wealth of information to make your life easier and usually allows you to get more out of your precious free time.

The one DB site that stands out in my memory was ROEmpire's database for Ragnarok Online. That thing is bloody marvelous, even if not accurate 100% of the time.
Frankly, being able to use all online resources to good effect has become a skill as playing the game in question; albeit to a lesser extent.

Sanklovich

08-17-2008, 08:53 AM

It would need access to character info in order to do that. The WoW armory was created by Blizzard which has access to all of that.

But a third party would only ever have access to information that is logged to the site manually, using a mod plugin to take the data from the game. If Mythic seriously does create its own version of the WoW armory, no third party could ever hope to compete with that kind of ease of use.

Sorry to rain on your parade.

actually, mythic is making a wow armory like site and i am confident that we can and will compete with it just fine. In fact, I would go as far as to say we are already very much up to par with the realmwar :)

Arnafein

08-17-2008, 12:07 PM

WARdb - it's definitely a good thing. I love reading databases on MMOs myself, it always gives me something to do while downloading a patch or when the servers are down or when there simply isn't anything interesting to do ingame.

CheesePlant

08-18-2008, 10:34 AM

I think WarDB sounds good from what I've read here. I've liked goblinworkshop.com for WOW. I am getting so tired of looking at wiki's they are so unimaginative. I enjoy looking at database sites to see what I should aim for next. Some of these sites offer material similar to Prima/Brady guides which go out of date quickly and tend to be a waste of money.

Farao51

08-18-2008, 03:42 PM

is it like WoWhead or is it like a wikia.
A wikia is kind of useless. We got Hammerwiki.

Azimov

08-18-2008, 04:52 PM

is it like WoWhead or is it like a wikia.
A wikia is kind of useless. We got Hammerwiki.
Its like www.wowdb.com (http://www.wowdb.com)
They seem to be launching a rival wiki aswell for total domination though :o
Ready for tomorrow(doesn't mean we'll release everything at the same time):

www.warhammeralliance.com (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/) (bunch of images, guides, and a lot of other things ;)
www.wardb.com (items,quests,NPCs,career/renown builders,live RvR status, advanced character profiles, leaderboards, guild profiles) (http://www.wardb.com/)
www.thewarwiki.com (surprise!) (http://www.thewarwiki.com/)
http://war.curse.com/downloads/addons/ (http://war.curse.com/) (a few warhammer addons already up, just hided because of NDA)