Uneasy about Ironbreakers

[Raknor]

Eh im curious about PvP/RvR Ironbreakers, are they effective in a group,ive been looking at most posts on ironbreakers and they all are looking like Ironbreakers have low DPS alone. Im hoping that they will have many defensive skills that help him fend off against any attack,(Shield Bash, Using Blunt of Axe or Mace, Disarming using his shield etc. etc.)

Have Any Comments on Ironbreaker Skills, Fighting in groups, or DPS Factor?
Thanks for Reading
Raknor

[Kilrogg-WHA]

Nobody knows. The game is still over a year away and there has been no specific info about any of the classes yet.

[Hyrus]

For sake of speculation, it might work something like this. If an Ironbreaker is getting hit, they generate grudges. If the ironbreaker and a, say, runecarver are together, and the enemy in question attacks the runecarver, the ironbreaker generates grudges. In this case, solo or in groups, ironbreakers could be effective fighters by such. However, i'm certain there'd be a limiting factor in group situations to prevent overpoweredness.

[Duerghaul]

seriously? every guild has a main tank, at times at least 2 or 3. the tank is woshipped as a god, and we follow their every order. the defensive tank, who handles aggro and gives the dps their chance to...well, dps. trust me, being a defensive tank, while not particuarly fun in pvp, is definitely necessary in pve and celebrated as the leader.

[Roywocket]

If you ask me a high defensive skill is often underestimated in pvp siturations. I know this from playing WoW where it is used as an excuse by many warriors that they cant fight other classes because they are defensive spec. Personally i think thats a load of bull. I play a Dwarven warrior myself and I have been secondary MT for our guild for a long time. I dont have a chance when fighting mage, warlocks and priests there, but then again every1 playing a wow warrrior will tell you that your chances are excatly good anyway. But there is no Rogue , Warrior, Pala who stands a chance fightting me. I chuckle when I c a mortal strike warrior hit me Ashkandi in a mortal stike in a crit for 500 dmg.... I think the same thing can work with WAR. Survivability is a very good thing to have and is often underestimated.

[Kagma]

For sake of speculation, it might work something like this. If an Ironbreaker is getting hit, they generate grudges. If the ironbreaker and a, say, runecarver are together, and the enemy in question attacks the runecarver, the ironbreaker generates grudges. In this case, solo or in groups, ironbreakers could be effective fighters by such. However, i'm certain there'd be a limiting factor in group situations to prevent overpoweredness.

This is taken from the official Warhammer Online site :

"The Ironbreaker Specialty
Nobody holds a grudge like a Dwarf, and no dwarf is dwarfier than the Ironbreaker. Every blow struck against him or his allies serves to fuel his ardor."

So i guess there something about that idea ;)

[Snorri]

This is taken from the official Warhammer Online site :

"The Ironbreaker Specialty
Nobody holds a grudge like a Dwarf, and no dwarf is dwarfier than the Ironbreaker. Every blow struck against him or his allies serves to fuel his ardor."

So i guess there something about that idea ;)

Yea so basically he gets "grudge points" everytime he is hit, so he can do some Dps.

But obviously if he is in a group and lots of people are beating several of his allies, his grudge points will skyrocket.

[Kagma]

Yeah thats where the tactics of the opposing force gets interesting: do you kill the Ironbreaker as fast as possible (making him have a serious grudge against you :!:) or do you fight off his allies and hope he doesn't flatten you out :p... but the best way are proberly using magic and/or range attacks too taking him out as fast as possible without him getting within melee range...

[Raknor]

Ah i see grudge points help to do more DPS Does anyone in here have the tabletop game? And Can Tell me what Anvilguard and Tunnel Fighter are like?
Thank you for reading

Raknor
Future Ironbreaker :p

[GreyWarlord]

I play tabletop and there is no Tunnel Fighter regiment. My guess is that they are something like Ironbreakers. Anvil Guard are even more buffed and armoured than regular dwarfs, have special rules that make regukar dwarfs not seem stubborn at all, and wield massive runehammers.

[Ruinx]

I think it's reasonable to have worries about the theory behind the Ironbreaker's soloability. Any class that relies on themselves taking damage to do more damage, yet is a soloer, would, in previous MMOs at least, have been a pretty risky class to be. I mean, if you take too much damage, it doesn't matter how l337 your DPS gets, you're going to die.

The "live" version of the game is a huge distance off, though and we can be pretty sure the "Grudge" system will be tested in detail and balanced accordingly.

The one thing that might "save" this class in soloing is morale-based self-healing. If Ironbreakers are capable of that, then by the time their health gets low and their DPS high, they could probably activate a self-heal, and even if the enemy does the same, their now much higher DPS might well lead them to victory.

Relying on getting hit is never likely to be the BEST way to solo, but then again, if you're really really keen on soloing, being a heavy-armoured "tanker" type has rarely been the ideal class.