With the Shaman’s power to support and enhance his allies, he is at his strongest whe

[Anguloke]

With the Shaman’s power to support and enhance his allies, he is at his strongest when he fights with a team.

http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/Greenskins/Careers/GoblinShaman.php

I have to wonder about that. It makes it look like there would be a significant drop in character power if you were out soloing. Sure every class fights better in groups, but they make it look as if unless you are in a group you won't reach you characters potential. Which is essentially gimping solo play for anyone wanting to play a Shaman. Although I have to admit, fits perfectly with the lore of the character though.

[Gamut]

If you have a group spell, you can't reach your full potential without a group.

Am I wrong?

[miber]

Sure every class fights better in groupsYep, I believe the way it is planned is that everyone will be strongest when fighting with a team. Not only do you have the typical help/benefits/synergy of working with other people, but there's also the Morale system to consider (which raises faster if you're with a team) as well as some of the class-specific mechanics we've seen (like the Ironbreaker's Grudge system).but they make it look as if unless you are in a group you won't reach you characters potential.Well, they are at least partially a support class - and that alone denotes working with others. I don't see that as particularly making Shamans any less worthwhile 1v1, however, and often I've found 'support hybrids' to actually be quite effective at soloing.

[Makova]

I think you're reading a bit much into it.

All that says is he has support magic, so he's obviously utilizing 'all of his potential' when he's in a group and not solo. However, it says nothing about soloability and doesn't even hint at it.

[Ruinx]

He looked pretty able solo in the demos. Being able to run away at full speed whilst nuking (!) as he was doing is pretty good for soloing, I'd say.

[CrusherDestroyer]

He looked pretty able solo in the demos. Being able to run away at full speed whilst nuking (!) as he was doing is pretty good for soloing, I'd say.

I wouldn't take class (an unfinished one to boot) performance from an Alpha version of the game to heart.

[sm|te]

Think about the Shaman in WoW, a pure Hybrid class, and I could solo with it no problem. I'm sure won't be too much different.

[Squiggle]

Yep, I believe the way it is planned is that everyone will be strongest when fighting with a team. Not only do you have the typical help/benefits/synergy of working with other people, but there's also the Morale system to consider (which raises faster if you're with a team) as well as some of the class-specific mechanics we've seen (like the Ironbreaker's Grudge system).Well, they are at least partially a support class - and that alone denotes working with others. I don't see that as particularly making Shamans any less worthwhile 1v1, however, and often I've found 'support hybrids' to actually be quite effective at soloing.

I believe the morale system is what provides group synergy unlike the group synergy just being integrated into the characters themselves like in DAoC. this way, each class can be balanced solo and other classes dont get left out of the loop when groups come up.

Think about the Shaman in WoW, a pure Hybrid class, and I could solo with it no problem. I'm sure won't be too much different.

thanks because WoWshammies are Mega Character 9000 with super power armor and rockets.

[Ken]

However, it says nothing about soloability and doesn't even hint at it.

It may just be a given that they can solo...considering Mythic said as a whole you can solo through this game. Or even go through the game only doing PvE...

But PvP and group efforts is where more of the most enjoyable aspects of the game will be found.

So you can solo. But it's more fun not to solo.

I think as a "healing mage" shamans will be fine solo. But that's another thing that goes more with "we'll see!" than "this is how it is!"

[Ruinx]

I wouldn't take class (an unfinished one to boot) performance from an Alpha version of the game to heart.

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I didn't say I was, did I, but the author of this thread is apparently taking a phrase or three from an extremely vague class description "to heart", so it seems sensible to point out what little evidence we have of Shamans actually playing, neh?

[Bloodstorm]

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I didn't say I was, did I, but the author of this thread is apparently taking a phrase or three from an extremely vague class description "to heart", so it seems sensible to point out what little evidence we have of Shamans actually playing, neh?

The difference being that the description is what they want to class to become, and the class's current performance in an alpha build will probably change alot more than their vision for the class, especially since it's currently able to kite like no tomorrow. Still, everything is vague at this point, I'll agree. This is, after all, still an alpha. Never hurts to speculate, though.

[Ken]

Never hurts to speculate, though.

zomg r u wrong or wut lol
I am BLEEDING FROM THE EYES DUE TO YOUR SPECULATION!

Half of this forum shouldn't exist. Screw speculation!
Stick it to the man!

My comments stand as above about shamans possibly being able to stand on their own.

It doesn't sound like Mythic would want to limit anyone or anything into doing something they don't want to do. They're just going to make a ton of reasons to "play along" with what they have set up.

Like maybe they're more supported, BECAUSE they support other players? But they can support themselves. The support (if viewed as an output after input) would just be greater if the Shaman supported a group.

[notit]

I really hope that Shamans will be able to stand on their own. I dunno if they're going to follow traditional mmorpgs about paper armor. Then again....most of the classes realesed are anything but traditional. (imo)

[Belatucadros]

I really hope that Shamans will be able to stand on their own. I dunno if they're going to follow traditional mmorpgs about paper armor. Then again....most of the classes realesed are anything but traditional. (imo)

as much as I hate to start being a fanboi to someone random, I agree completely. I really think everyone will be decent soloing, be it pve or pvp. Of course we don't know, but I have faith :cool:

[Squibbo]

I don't see why they would make you gimpy for solo play, simply because you're a support class. Sure, you're BEST when you're with a group...not many things aren't. You'll be able to buff yourself, heal yourself to reduce downtime perhaps, and toss spells in with your melee damage. Seems pretty solo friendly to me ^^b

[Nethunz]

Like someone said earlier, Shams are a hybrid support class. Basically just because we hybrids doesn't make us weak, it actually adds to our strength because we'll be able to stand our ground on a melee fight, cast spells, and even be able to heal our selves. If you ask me we don't seem that weak.

[kushinagi]

Like someone said earlier, Shams are a hybrid support class. Basically just because we hybrids doesn't make us weak, it actually adds to our strength because we'll be able to stand our ground on a melee fight, cast spells, and even be able to heal our selves. If you ask me we don't seem that weak.

If a Hybrid gets caught in melee with a melee specialist, he's screwed. If he gets caught in a magic fight with a magic specialist, he's screwed. If he can play to his strengths and attack people according to their weaknesses, he's awesome.

[Ghistpok]

The problem is is that people want to do everything, and do it as well as the stand alone counterpart(s). As a hybrid, I am fine by doing everything average and playing my role in a group. That's where we shine. I also believe that we will be fine solo. As a Shaman in WoW, I could do a bit of everything and could do it well. Could I nuke like a mage? no. Could I melee like a rogue/fury warrior? no. Could I heal like a priest? no. I COULD, however, do it all and fill in the gaps in groups. Solo wise, I could kill pretty much anything within reason.

Once people understand the concent of the hybrid the better.

[[1stMI] Magonis]

If a Hybrid gets caught in melee with a melee specialist, he's screwed. If he gets caught in a magic fight with a magic specialist, he's screwed. If he can play to his strengths and attack people according to their weaknesses, he's awesome.

while normaly i would tend to agree with you but with warhammers backgrounds most mages and other caster types can hold there own in melee. while hybrids are normaly not specilized they are useful due to there versitile abilites.

and yes shamans should be able tyo hold there own alone there just much more powerful due to a group but then i like that mythics staying true to the lore of the game.

[Accipiter]

Lots of these statements seem kind of premature. Shamans are a hybrid class? How so? Because they can do both damage spells and healing spells? That doesn't necessarily make them hybrids. When I think of hybrids I think of classes that can do both melee and spell-casting. Shammy looks like a pure caster to me.

[Kraus]

Thats because lots of those statements were made months ago when we barely knew anything and people were speculating quite wildy :p But yes, Shamans are caster types, tehy will be able to hold their own but they work best, as do ALL the classes, in a group enviroment.