Multitask Shammys

[Averno]

Im not so sure about healing and offencive casting.. Good in theory but actually useful?

Say youre RvRing at the gates of a city and theres heaps o enemy, heaps o allies.. Everyones going to be begging for heals on a constant basis.. So I think regardless of design the Shaman is still going to end up a heal

[Caracca]

unlike the pure healbots from WoW and DAoC, this one can solo properly and do some dmg. other then just be a healbot. and the heal begging. you'll never get around that

[notit]

There will always people wanting heals, no matter where the healer is. If a class that can heal is in the same zone, the class will be requested to heal. Well, sometimes demanded. Never mind that you're busy and you're very far away. So, no getting around that.

I can offer you to say
"If I keep healing you, you'll never learn" or be a big jerk about it while healing them. Make it a pain that they requested your help.

I think the Shamans will do great in battle. So far, the traditional roles of MMOGs have been thrown out the window.

[spirit]

Well if the thing about casting offensive spells makes your healing better is right, then people will want you to cast offense so that your heals are better. Which means anyone who asks you to pure heal will get shouted at as a moron.

[miber]

According to Jeff Hickman of Mythic, not only are Shamans both healers and damage dealers, but he says that dealing damage will be their primary role (hope they can pull that off).

From this video (http://www.warhammer-network.de/gc-2006/presentation.php) (quote at 8:40):So, while we do have healing abilities in the game, and there are classes like the Shaman for example, that is a "healer" - he's also a damage dealer, and that's really primarily what he does. Every class is built that way.

[Caracca]

Well if the thing about casting offensive spells makes your healing better is right, then people will want you to cast offense so that your heals are better. Which means anyone who asks you to pure heal will get shouted at as a moron.

afaik the more dmg the group does the bigger the waaaagh ( support energy ?) of the group. so when a shaman does dmg aswell in the beginning of the fight. the waaagh will grow bigger then when you just stay behind and heal. at least that's what i understand of all the vid's around.

[Ken]

I remember playing a priest for a little while in WoW. Never got end-game or anything...got to about lvl 32 and rerolled alliance on that server.

I remember being in groups and, yea, I respectively healed people and stuff. I stayed on main tank and helped out here and there if a mob got on someone else..

But let me just say. At that low of a level. If a rogue got aggro from the main tank just because he was being dumb, I wasn't going to heal the rogue. If the warrior wasn't keeping aggro I would...but I don't heal morons.

So. When I play a goblin shaman. I'm gonna play it how I feel. Which I will be doing both damage spells and healing. Why? Because I'm a ING GOBLIN! WOOT! Beggars can die. I don't get pushed around kthx.

[kushinagi]

I remember playing a priest for a little while in WoW. Never got end-game or anything...got to about lvl 32 and rerolled alliance on that server.

I remember being in groups and, yea, I respectively healed people and stuff. I stayed on main tank and helped out here and there if a mob got on someone else..

But let me just say. At that low of a level. If a rogue got aggro from the main tank just because he was being dumb, I wasn't going to heal the rogue. If the warrior wasn't keeping aggro I would...but I don't heal morons.

So. When I play a goblin shaman. I'm gonna play it how I feel. Which I will be doing both damage spells and healing. Why? Because I'm a ING GOBLIN! WOOT! Beggars can die. I don't get pushed around kthx.

Actually, as a gobbo, you should get pushed around, but I admire your spunk. I for one will be no one's heal bot.

[Nemes1s]

I for one will be no one's heal bot.
I will be :)

[Chryso]

Yop,

Like Ken, I had a 60 priest T1-2 in WOW... well sometimes I was just so plain pissed at some guys that they could got to hell and still not get any healing.

I would heal guys would I considered played well. Not the morons that would do everything to get hit by the mobs.

That was for PvE though. In PvP I am more of seeing who gets hit and see if it is viable to heal him:
Typically why heal a mage that is OOM ? or why heal a rogue whose in the middle of 5 guys ?

Well my healing will fit the situation :) But one thing for sure:

If Shaman can rez, that's what my main job will be while raiding an ennemy capital just so that the whaaaagh can keep roling. At least my raid :) Guys not grouped won't get on my part, Already have enough life bar to see to :)

Regards,
Chryso

[Averno]

Lol I like the "Ill heal you after you die" concept

[Ralzar]

afaik the more dmg the group does the bigger the waaaagh ( support energy ?) of the group. so when a shaman does dmg aswell in the beginning of the fight. the waaagh will grow bigger then when you just stay behind and heal. at least that's what i understand of all the vid's around.

Uh, from all info I've seen, WAAGH isn't gained from the groups damage, but from the shamans own damage only. So, the Shaman has to use DPS spells to increase his own healing. He can't rely on somone else doing the damageing for him.

[Caracca]

By participating in battle – calling down the wrath of Gork and Mork, or just being up in the fight with the lads – the Shaman taps into the collective frenzy to gain Waaagh! power. This gathered Waaagh

The strength your support skills gain from an ongoing Waaagh! is significant. Using your offensive magic to contribute directly to the fight will increase the power of your support magic, allowing you to better help your group

each fight you must carefully weigh the opposition, and determine the best time to strike at the Shaman. Attack too early and you risk facing deadly reprisals from the Shaman’s uninjured allies. Attack too late and you may lack the power to overcome the groups Waaagh! enhanced defenses.

source : http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/Greenskins/Careers/GoblinShaman.php

from that info i believe group waaaagh ( hence in warhammer, the more greenskins about the bigger the Waaaagh ) is group based for sure. and seeing the more dmg you do the bigger the waaaagh power get's. it probably also will happen to other members of t he group. thus the more dmg the group does as a whole the bigger the Waaaagh!!!

[Belatucadros]

In PvP I am more of seeing who gets hit and see if it is viable to heal him:
Typically why heal a mage that is OOM ? or why heal a rogue whose in the middle of 5 guys ?

[snip]

If Shaman can rez, that's what my main job will be while raiding an ennemy capital just so that the whaaaagh can keep roling.


That depends. In DAOC, there are a good 7-8 different ways the caster can get more power. And consider in WAR that everyone in the group is gaining morale for everyone else, so this caster may be able to use some morale abilities. Not to mention killing him is likely to provide the enemy more morale than just hitting him will. I imagine actually killing a target gives a significant morale boost/hit (your group is also likely to lose morale as someone dies).

If those 5 guys are all on the rogue, and you keep the rogue alive - those 5 guys a) stay on the rogue and leave everyone alone or b) switch targets and the rogue lives while the new target starts to prekite. victory. the longer they deal with the rogue, the longer they stay away from another target. Everyone deserves a heal.

And in 99% of cases, healing costs far less power than rezzing. So you'd have been better off casting a few heals than trying to rez. And who knows what sort of after-rez ceremonies have to take place(self buffs etc)...and we know there is rez sickness of a sort (insanity points), so those guys will be less effective.

but please, if we end up on different sides of the battlefield...please stick to that :D

[Jimmy_]

i think... we're comparing WAR too much to WoW...

I'm hoping this will be totally different to WoW in alot of cases... unique playing style... not only the difference between warhammer n warcraft.



btw..

i like the concept of... earning your heals too ;) lol lets say... you can only b healed if u are on the ground begging for it.

[Ken]

hehe if people asked for heals and I was already planning on not healing them or something I'd ignore them..

if I was planning on it, I'd say "Let me play my class, because I can sit here and tell you everything you're doing wrong, too."
I said sorry for the times I messed up. I'm not perfect :(
But yea. Begging = .

And as for the WAR WoW comparisons...I think people are comparing DAoC to WAR just as much as they're comparing WoW to WAR. With good reason...because well, we've had a lot of discussions in this entire forum about it, but I'm just gonna sum up. The main thing I'm finding in this forum is speculation. And so we're going to naturally use WoW and DAoC as models. A lot of us understand WoW and WAR won't be the same...but WoW and DAoC will probably be the closest to WAR. Or WAR closest to them.

Collision detection on its own will provide a unique playing style. Not to mention all the cool ideas they're incorporating like shamans will be encouraged to do both healing and magic offense.

Not getting onto you or anything about the comment, just saying have good faith. I'm really confident that WAR will blow my mind in some way or another. I'm HOPING in every way, but I don't want to hope too much :)

The more I hear about WAR. The more respect I get for the EA/Mythic/GW trio. Everyone's being extremely professional about it. Every aspect of it. Respectful to GW's lore. And respectful not to look over Mythic's shoulder 24/7 (meaning EA, not GW.)

Sorry. I went off on my little "I love what's going on with them!" speech :(
<3 to the Mythic guys. GW and EA, too, for just being awesome. EA for their wallet, and GW for Warhammer in general. Good job to all of you so far.