Bows & Spears ?

[Thorrnz]

Form the "look of a Squig Hearder" :

Carries a BOW or spear for personal combat (or uses his Squig pipes for calling Squigs)

So we are a ranged pet class like a hunter in WoW ? Now thats freeking awesome ! I just hope we can have more that just one squig out at a time ... or 3

[Grrblt]

Bows? Bleh. This (http://www.galeon.com/mareaverde/squigherd.jpg) is what squig herders look like.

[gavin]

I found screenshots with a squig herder with a bow and he was wearing squig skin sleeves:rolleyes:

[havedeath]

I hope the squig herders can be effective with the spears if they specialize that way. I wouldn't want to be forced into a ranged role if I didn't want to be and the models use spears anyways!

[obsolete]

I think it's a good thing that they gave us a choice, like someone said i'd hate to have to specialize in one weapon type only.

[V for ?]

I am definately glad they gave us the choice as well, because I played a hunter in wow and it didn't keep me attached (nor did the game in general), but I did play a bst in eq 1 when it came out and I played that up till I quit the game, so im looking forward to spears :cool:, However what will the squig whistles be used for? For instance will we get multiple squig whistles to call forth different types of squigs to build our mini squig army strategically for certain situations? :confused:

[Bragga]

Well I hope the squig pipes sound like highlander pipes and look orky similar, that would rock and what I will use if nothing but to amuze myself. :) Now if I could only play a tune...

[Phleg]

I think I will be using the spear more than the bow anyway. I also played a hunter in WoW (which I have been bored of for... 11 months now, maybe), and it didn't really keep me attached either. But, I blame it on the fact that those hunters just wern't good enough in melee than they are in long range, and personally, I prefure getting up close and charging the enemy with my pets. But, with the squig hunters, so far it sounds like I can do that, so I hope I won't be disappointed.

[Ares]

According to info they are real bad in melee range

[Ken]

I think I will be using the spear more than the bow anyway. I also played a hunter in WoW (which I have been bored of for... 11 months now, maybe), and it didn't really keep me attached either. But, I blame it on the fact that those hunters just wern't good enough in melee than they are in long range, and personally, I prefure getting up close and charging the enemy with my pets. But, with the squig hunters, so far it sounds like I can do that, so I hope I won't be disappointed.

You sound a lot like my friend. Him and I started WoW together and dinged 60 together. He plays a hunter...and yea he despises sitting back and ranging ALL THE TIME and then running away when people get too close. He calls those hunters "". (Hehe excuse the french :P)

He goes long range, but if people get close, he'll use his melee and kite you around, then do a mixture of both long range and melee.

Anyway. Regardless of all that, I keep feeling like Warhammer is going to have more abilities than WoW did. (I hate to keep comparing it to that, but it's the only MMO I've played to end-game.) Like hunters had control close range...but it only went so far as 'Wing Clip'. I imagine if squig herders have more control, or something to make up for the DPS, they'll have a few abilities that lack in dps, but make up for it. Like control.

This is all speculation in terms of an MMO, and not the existing Warhammer abilities, since I don't know jack about the TT game.

But yea. When he makes his little Squig Herder, he says he's DEFINITELY going to go spears and not bows. I'm undecided. I'll have to figure out which one is more fun to me.

[Kaikai]

i plan to spab people with a spear far more than twang arrows at them, but its nice to see my two favourite styles of combat in the same class.
who would have forseen a spear/bow class hehe

[notit]

who would have forseen a spear/bow class hehe

Warhammer: Bringing sense to MMOs.

[V for ?]

I definately agree with everyone in this post I like charging the enemy with my pet rather then staying back like a "" and shooting arrows it just is not as much fun, and I hope we get dualwield spears that would be awesome.

[kushinagi]

I would of prefered a gun but I understand why Gobbos use bows. But I'm the type of guy who prefers ranged combat. The type of guy who would rather be Boba Fett than Luke Skywalker.

[Nemes1s]

I would of prefered a gun but I understand why Gobbos use bows. But I'm the type of guy who prefers ranged combat. The type of guy who would rather be Boba Fett than Luke Skywalker.
Star Wars geek...

[Belatucadros]

Squig herder is a hybrid DAOC hunter / DAOC bonedancer 2.0

should be intense

[Squibbo]

I definately agree with everyone in this post I like charging the enemy with my pet rather then staying back like a "" and shooting arrows it just is not as much fun, and I hope we get dualwield spears that would be awesome.

Dual wield spears? Do you know how extraodinarily difficult/impossible that would be to do? :p (It would look really cool, yeah, but uhh it's just not something you can do hehe)

I'm not sure if I'd use spears though...They seemed to make quite a large point of the squig herder being a back line job in the newsletter. Might be majorly gimping yourself by going spears, suppose we'll have to see, but I agree, if it is effective at all, stabbing people up close while your squigs munch on them sounds so much more fun than lobbing arrows from afar.

[Kaikai]

spears better be usefull, like i expect equally effective as bows, higher damage thana bow but of course, shorter range.

as for the dual weilding.. personaly i hope there are long spears and short spears, a short spear could be used with a sheild.

actual dual weilding is impossible however, its not acutaly practicle, just like a double bladed sword, they just wouldent work in a real combat situation.
if they were short spears that you could throw (oh god please dont make spears just throwing weapons, its lame) you might be able to hold one while throwing the other, but realisticly fighting with a spear in each hand would not work.

yes yes, its a game and all that, but it would look utterly impracticle trying to fight with two spears at once, it would take away from the belivability of the game.
in my opinion.

[Nerothos]

Those squigs look really happy... to be squigs. o_O

[Ken]

Haha if the "spikey squig" could talk I just see him saying something along the lines of:

"Ima squiiig. And you're dead!"

[V for ?]

Dual wield spears? Do you know how extraodinarily difficult/impossible that would be to do? :p (It would look really cool, yeah, but uhh it's just not something you can do hehe)

I'm not sure if I'd use spears though...They seemed to make quite a large point of the squig herder being a back line job in the newsletter. Might be majorly gimping yourself by going spears, suppose we'll have to see, but I agree, if it is effective at all, stabbing people up close while your squigs munch on them sounds so much more fun than lobbing arrows from afar.

Lol I don't think you got what I was saying, I mean spears specifically desighned for dual wield. Thus their size would be much smaller then a 2h spear, they would have less dmg/ stats but you would be able to wield two. I realise this would create many complications but it would allow for more individuality.

D(i)-g I+t= V for ?

[Lakvar]

The Spear is a stabbing weapon.
The Javelin is a light, throwing version of it.

To dualwield a pair of spears, which has been seen in some action comedies... it would take them to be 1. modified 2. You to be ambidexterous and unusually strong in the shoulders / arms 3. A viable combat technique, like keeping one spear above head for a stabbing motion from high and another but low..

And after all this, it's just implausible that goblins will get to hold two spears. They should be happy if given a small buckler!

Personally, I would NOT go in and melee someone... I consider this a folly for two reasons - first off, the enemies melee dps or tanks, after being bitten by your squigs will be so pissed off, that he'll be in his very own DAMAGE DEALING FRENZY. Since you, the gobbo, will be more dangerous than any of your squigs and just as tough as they are, guess who'll go down in a few hits.

Perhaps though, we just have to wait and try what works for ourselves :)

~Lakvar

[Bluddsport]

I think it'll be great to have an even balance between ranged and close range fighting. The last thing anyone that I was playing WoW (yeah I know but it's the only game I played before like this too) with wanted to do was to back away from the fight just so they could shoot more arrows. It's good to nail em up close as well too.

[Lakvar]

What troubles me about even balance in melee and ranged is that thus you become Jack of all trades, master of none.
In other words a good all-round fighter but not exceptional.

It is good, for others might underestimate you and your squigs.
But is bad, because.. well, because you're not special *cry*
(unless you think of squigs and you as parts of a whole)

~Lakvar, on wanting to stand out!

[Bluddsport]

No seriously ...if you have all those Squigs you definitely stand out...that and the scent alone would make you truly "special"

[Evil weasel]

imo a spear is a dagger on a LONG stick so when you use a spear you dont have to be up"close(sp)" so you are technicaly ranging..imo your not too close to get smited but stabbing then from behind ur squig:p

[[1stMI] Magonis]

well from what was posted on the main site it states that you alone are quite weak and that your squigs are quite weak and that the combination is what makes them strong. there for bows are gonna be great. plus as a goblin i really wouldnt wanna be in melee anyway there just to squishy.

as for dual weilding spears it you have to depends on the style of spears. japanese speas like the naginata are designed for slashing. and there are sevral styles of swords that are a mix of a naginata and a katana, that can be used as a dual weild weapon.

but most basic european style spears are designed for stabbing and really wouldnt work for dual weild.

[Spleen]

Yeah, I'm hoping we can choose between the two and have them actually be equally viable. I played a Hunter in WoW (yes, yes, I know bow hunters didn't start with WoW, sue me), and I'm hoping I can move away from that experience, go for some spear fun.

[pentabell]

using a spear and pets would be an interesting way to play the class, certainly unique

[Kaikai]

Lol I don't think you got what I was saying, I mean spears specifically desighned for dual wield. Thus their size would be much smaller then a 2h spear, they would have less dmg/ stats but you would be able to wield two. I realise this would create many complications but it would allow for more individuality.

D(i)-g I+t= V for ?

why?
apart from the fact its got nothing to do with real weapons or stuff in the warhammer setting, really, why?
is it one of those 'because it would be cool' spontainious things like the movies?

what you describe would be a stick along the same size as a longsword, with a spike blade on the end
not very practicle, since a sword can stab just as much as something like that, and has more blade for chopping things too..

swinging around two spears just isnt practicle, try grabbing a pair of brooms and swing those around abit, youll see what i mean.

[Maerius]

I think that if you are picturing your character wading along side of your squigs into melee stabbing your spear with reckless abandon and being effective, you are probably setting yourself up for disappointment.

From what I have read and understand, the Squig Herder™ is meant to be a ranged DPS class. I really don't see them making them equally viable as a melee class. I could be wrong, but....

[Lukio]

Squig herder is a hybrid DAOC hunter / DAOC bonedancer 2.0

should be intense

As if a BD in Dark Age wasn't intense enough (to fight against - not to play ). For the Hunter part, this sounds viable, i do not really think that the squig herder will have more than 3 pets, or only if he possibly specializes into the herding (or whatever it is called) skill and thus has less specialization into melee / ranged combat.

[Farkhat]

As if a BD in Dark Age wasn't intense enough (to fight against - not to play ). For the Hunter part, this sounds viable, i do not really think that the squig herder will have more than 3 pets, or only if he possibly specializes into the herding (or whatever it is called) skill and thus has less specialization into melee / ranged combat.

Makes sense, that. Specialise in beasts and you loose bow proficiency.

[Ken]

I think that if you are picturing your character wading along side of your squigs into melee stabbing your spear with reckless abandon and being effective, you are probably setting yourself up for disappointment.

As someone who aims for playing the underdog class in some way, form, or fashion just to make things hard on myself. I doubt I'll be disappointed.

But I don't think melee squig herders will suck compared to Ranged squig herders. If they're playable, that's good enough for me.

You're talking to someone who played a Survival/Beast Hunter in WoW (and that class is MADE FOR ONLY ranged dps, with only a few exceptions) and the only time I used a bow was to throw up different stings, and get some opening damage out (plus concussive blow. for non-wow players that's just a slowing shot.)

Squig Herders with spears sound 10000 times more effective than Hunters in WoW with melee. So I think I'm going to have LOTS of fun.

[Instant_Karma]

Good Lord People when he says Dual Wielding what he means it that most spears require two hands to use, not that you'd be using two seperate spears!:p

Ok so perhaps we need to clearfy terms here. When someone says Dual Wield, what is normally implied is that they are wielding 2 different or seperate weapons. When someone says 2-handed weapon, that implies what was caused the confusion; a weapon that requires 2 hands to wield properly. Not all spears are 2 handed, and I think in game terms if goblins do get spears (which next to a short bow is their iconic weapons in Warhammer) they should be allowed to chose what sort of spear they wish to specialize in; a short spear with shield, or long spear and no shield.

[SuperMyles]

I would love to fight up close and then range dps when I feel like it that is whats going to be great. Just do one until you are bored of it and switch to the other one.