Sigmar

[Cremok the feared]

My friend came up with a theory that sigmar is the 40k emperor. I just wanted to hear what you guys think about it.

[Karthos]

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I hate it when have these kind of things come up. They are in different UNIVERSES, as GW has said. Sigmar had golden hair, while the Emperor has brown/black. And I wont even get into the timeline difference...

[Bloodstorm]

No, he's not. Back when 40k had a connection to Warhammer, Sigmar was one of the Primarch's to be scattered across space and lost. "Sigmar's twin-tailed comet" was likely some sort of space-pod crashing into the ground. The connections have been severed, however, though the comet remains in the backstory. The Emperor is likely stronger than Sigmar and is not a Warp-entity nor is he a mortal.

And Ulric's better than both of them, anyway...

[Harakoni]

*agrees with bloodstorm*
i also remember a story extract that states the warhammer universe is set within/on the firnges of, the eye of terror.
could be very wrong there though.
but yes, the emperor, it seems, was born into a technological state similar to what we might expect of the year 30,000 technology has infact developed so far it is now receeding. in the warahmmer universe technology is more similar to the christian year 1700ad technology hasnt even met the industial boom yet...

[Bloodstorm]

*agrees with bloodstorm*
i also remember a story extract that states the warhammer universe is set within/on the firnges of, the eye of terror.
could be very wrong there though.
but yes, the emperor, it seems, was born into a technological state similar to what we might expect of the year 30,000 technology has infact developed so far it is now receeding. in the warahmmer universe technology is more similar to the christian year 1700ad technology hasnt even met the industial boom yet...

Aye, it was in the Eye of Terror, which explained the frequent Chaos incursions, but now the connection has been competely, without a doutb, cut.

But what do you mean by ". . .born into a technological state. . ." ?

[Vikingkingq]

Wasn't the Emperor born in Anatolia, according to WAR40k?

[Cremok the feared]

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I hate it when have these kind of things come up. They are in different UNIVERSES, as GW has said. Sigmar had golden hair, while the Emperor has brown/black. And I wont even get into the timeline difference...

He could have got some hair dye or something...

[luy22]

So odd how the Warhammer world map looks sooooo familier... Also, it'd be cool to see ONE Space Marine crash-land on the Warhammer planet and loose his boltgun and only have his knife and eventually a group of men find him and claim he is a god :O

[Shaggy]

GW has officaly cut the connection between Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40K. I think the Warp is able to exist in multiple universes and hence why you have Nurgle, Tzeentch, Khrone, and Slaanesh existing in Fantasy and 40K.

[Harakoni]

"born into a technological state"

i meant that the year of the emperors birth had technology similar/equivalent too...

[Timanous]

Wasn't the Emperor born in Anatolia, according to WAR40k?

yeah he was or at least thats what i read.

[luy22]

He was born in Turkey in 8000 BC.

[morskittar]

No, he's not. Back when 40k had a connection to Warhammer, Sigmar was one of the Primarch's to be scattered across space and lost. "Sigmar's twin-tailed comet" was likely some sort of space-pod crashing into the ground. The connections have been severed, however, though the comet remains in the backstory. The Emperor is likely stronger than Sigmar and is not a Warp-entity nor is he a mortal.

No.

This is not true.

Even when the Warhammer world was in the Eye of Terror, there was no connection that direct. Sigmar, the Emperor, and Primarchs have always been entirely separate, and this has never been even hinted at by GW.

[Chilltouch]

We'll never know the origins of Sigmar, so we can just keep on coming up with theories.

Although.

WHFB and WH40K are both connected by the Aethyr / Warp. An Imperial Scholar from the Old World studied Chaos, became insane and slowly, his soul moved out of his body and drifted into the Aethyr. There, he found many horrors. One of these, was the citadel of one of the Daemonic Primarchs, Magnus the Red.

[morskittar]

The connections are still teased here and there, that's for sure. Sigmar's origins are well-documented, however. His birth, his youth, and the rest of his life. The only real unknown is what happened to him after he abdicated the throne.

[spirit]

I don't give a flying monkey if GW severed the link or not, In my heart the two universes will always be linked, far more fun conspiracy theories that way.

Sigmar is superman. Came down in a comet, got adopted by a family, grew up, saved the world with superhuman strength...and then became a god...well ok that bit is slightly different but you get the picture.

[Laser]

I think fantasy and 40k are in the same universe i mean in liber chaoctica the guy writing it saw chaos space marines and even difilers so that must count for something

[ConverseSC]

I don't give a flying monkey if GW severed the link or not, In my heart the two universes will always be linked, far more fun conspiracy theories that way.

Sigmar is superman. Came down in a comet, got adopted by a family, grew up, saved the world with superhuman strength...and then became a god...well ok that bit is slightly different but you get the picture.

Yeah, just because it's their lore, who the hell told them they can do with it what the please?

[spirit]

Yeah, just because it's their lore, who the hell told them they can do with it what the please?

Read please. I said in my heart, I know they have the right to change things, it doesn't mean they are the right choices, but as I don't play GW games (WAR discounted) anymore, the way I remember it will always be as a linked world- because it is far more interesting that way.

[Irakaz]

Is Sigmar the Emperor? No

Could he have been a lost primarch? Perhaps

Was he just a big crazy hammer wielding dude who had a favourable historical write up? Yes

[ConverseSC]

Read please. I said in my heart, I know they have the right to change things, it doesn't mean they are the right choices, but as I don't play GW games (WAR discounted) anymore, the way I remember it will always be as a linked world- because it is far more interesting that way.

I wasn't being serious you sensitive little woman. ;)

[spirit]

I wasn't being serious you sensitive little woman. ;)

it's not my fault. It's that time of the month. The time where I don't have enough money to buy alcohol, making me irritated.

[morskittar]

I don't give a flying monkey if GW severed the link or not, In my heart the two universes will always be linked, far more fun conspiracy theories that way.

Sigmar is superman. Came down in a comet, got adopted by a family, grew up, saved the world with superhuman strength...and then became a god...well ok that bit is slightly different but you get the picture.

Man, that's not even a change... purely your own disregarding of a few decades of background. GW has never, ever, ever hinted that Sigmar was not native to the Warhammer world. His birth is documented, and always has been from the beginning. Entirely a fan creation. Not a change in the least.

So, if you're going to continue with your wild madman speculations, I suggest you find some beer money and buy me a beer. That is the only solution.

[spirit]

Man, that's not even a change... purely your own disregarding of a few decades of background. GW has never, ever, ever hinted that Sigmar was not native to the Warhammer world. His birth is documented, and always has been from the beginning. Entirely a fan creation. Not a change in the least.

So, if you're going to continue with your wild madman speculations, I suggest you find some beer money and buy me a beer. That is the only solution.

did I ever say he was? I said I preferred the background when it was linked to 40k. I don't think sigmar was a primarch, but then again he could have been. The "links" are more to do with the aethyr/warp and Chaos...which are far more interesting than any nancy boy who likes to think he is special because he has a magic hammer.

And I no longer need beer money, I realised I still had a bit of stock left in my mini fridge- phew!

Oh and when did the official severing of worlds happen? Because when I stopped playing it was still semi-linked, and that was only a few years ago.

Meh, I don't care about sigmar- what is interesting is his path to godhood. Because it could either be that he did indeed find a way to achieve godhood, or it could be that his followers believed so strongly that he had become a god, that this belief caused the aethyr to spawn him as a god...in which case the god sigmar is quite seperate, yet still linked, to the man Sigmar. Interesting to say the least.

[morskittar]

And I no longer need beer money, I realised I still had a bit of stock left in my mini fridge- phew!

Mmm... beer.

I agree; Sigmar's ascenion is an interesting subject. Great fodder for WFRP games, with all sorts of blasphemy and heresies involved.

There was never an official severing, just designers stating here and there that WFB and 40k are not the same universe. People took this to mean a complete severing, until the Albion campaign and later Liber Chaotica. LC indicates that the warp links the two, although functions differently on either end; as if each has a separate warp/Aethyr that's directly linked to how the relevant world percieves it, but these realms are linked through the deeper, untouched (or fully Chaotic) immaterium.

Thus allowing for different gods and manifestations (Khaine, for example) that still have a tenuous or thematic link.

[Commentaris]

I don't give a flying monkey if GW severed the link or not, In my heart the two universes will always be linked, far more fun conspiracy theories that way.

Sigmar is superman. Came down in a comet, got adopted by a family, grew up, saved the world with superhuman strength...and then became a god...well ok that bit is slightly different but you get the picture.

oh you mean like jesus? comet/flaming star, adopted/immaculate conception, superhuman powers/divine powers. became a god/ascended to heaven

check.

superman = jesus in tights

many cultures have a version of this archetypal story.

[KroqGar]

So, Jesus was a lost primarch?

[Drace]

The connection is different in all the games really.

In the old Fantasy, 40k was the future, and with one of the supplements, a choas army could have a choas space marine appearantly (don't personally know, this was in 3rd ed, I started in 4th). In the later editions, this dissapeared, and no mention of 40k happened until albion, where the elves got a power guantlet, and another 40k item, and the magic sword from the novel Farseer was mentioned I think. In LC, they mention it as being connected by the warp, which spans space AND TIME.

In WFRP, 40k was the distant future, and the warhammer world is a distant planet to Terra(But not in the Eye of Choas, for if it was it would be a messed up demon world basically, not a world that was completely untouched by choas until the polar gates collapsed). Alswell 40k's home world is Old Terra of the Sol solar system, hence oour planet, not the Fantasy one.

This means that Sigmar isn't either the emperor or a Primarch, first off, since Sigmar ascended to a full aethyr god, not a god in a mortoil coil. Aswell, as earlier mentioned, sigmar was born, not found in a space capsule.

[Commentaris]

So, Jesus was a lost primarch?
nah. the emperor is jesus and the primarchs are the disciples. 20 isntead of 12, but whatever. horus is judas obviously

oooor

the emperor = god
horus = the devil
sanguinius = jesus

:eek:

[KroqGar]

Sanguinus is the only reason I wanted to go Blood Angels.

The only thing about that theory though is that is that who are the other primarchs?

[spirit]

Sanguinus is the only reason I wanted to go Blood Angels.

The only thing about that theory though is that is that who are the other primarchs?

The other primarchs are the offspring of God who he liked more, and so didn't send off to sacrifice themselves.

(Im a Christian, Im allowed to insult my own religion)

[Shaggy]

The only thing about that theory though is that is that who are the other primarchs?

They're left unknown for a reason, it allows players to create their own Primach and chapter histroy.

[KroqGar]

I know that. I'm saying what biblical characters did the other known primarchs represent?