Explosion & Backlash Calculation

[Klesp]

Explosion/Backlash Calculation for Sorceress' and Bright Wizards

I've revised this calculation based on numbers provided from other people on the Explosion/Backlash numbers as all I had to work on originally was R31 and R36, the revised and ludicrously simple calcuation is:

( Level + 5 ) / 0.6 = Base Feedback

Base Feedback * 1 = Tier 1
Base Feedback * 2 = Tier 2
Base Feedback * 4 = Tier 3
Base Feedback * 8 = Tier 4
Base Feedback * 10 = Tier 5

The most I've tested this being out from the actual proper number is 1.33, it's either dead on or anything between dead on and 1.33 out (0.33, 0.5 and so forth). So it's pretty much spot on.

Exact numbers to test
Rank 18: 38dmg, 76dmg, 152dmg, 305dmg, 382dmg
Rank 19: 40dmg, 80dmg, 160dmg, 320dmg, 400dmg
Rank 20: 41dmg, 83dmg, 166dmg, 332dmg, 416dmg
Rank 31: 60dmg, 120dmg, 240dmg, 480dmg, 600dmg
Rank 36: 68dmg, 136dmg, 272dmg, 545dmg, 682dmg

Figures the sum gives
Rank 18: 38dmg, 76dmg, 153dmg, 306dmg, 383dmg (out by +1)
Rank 19: 40dmg, 80dmg, 160dmg, 320dmg, 400dmg (accurate)
Rank 20: 41dmg, 83dmg, 166dmg, 333dmg, 416dmg (out by +1)
Rank 31: 60dmg, 120dmg, 240dmg, 480dmg, 600dmg (accurate)
Rank 36: 68dmg, 136dmg, 273dmg, 546dmg, 683dmg (out by +1)



ps. Feedback = Explosion/Backlash

[transitive]

interesting results. according to your formula we would see approximately the following for a level 31 character.

base/tier 1 feedback = 60 dmg
tier 2 feedback = 120 dmg
tier 3 feedback = 240 dmg
tier 4 feedback = 480 dmg
tier 5 feedback = 600 dmg

to me this seems anecdotally correct but i haven't played BW/Sorc very much at all. do these results conform with other beta testers experiences?

further questions that came to my mind:

can your feedback crit? (probably not, but i'd like to know for sure)
can your feedback be reduced by defensive stats such as toughness or magic resistance? (probably not, but i'd like to know for sure)
if a tank is Guarding you, will he absorb half of your feedback? (probably yes, but i'd like to know for sure)
will damage absorbption shields absorb feedback damage? (probably yes, but i'd like to know for sure)

[Klesp]

can your feedback crit? (probably not, but i'd like to know for sure) No, it can't crit.

Unsure on the others.

[Rok]

Could you explain the feedback mechanic?

[Warskull]

Could you explain the feedback mechanic?

You have 5 different levels of power as a sorc or bright wizard. The level of your power is based off your combustion or dark magic. As your combustion/dark magic goes up your power level goes up. The higher your power level the more chance you have to crit and the more damage your crits do, but at the same time the higher the chance you trigger feedback damage (named explosion and backlash.)

For example at 100 combustion you have a 50% increase chance to crit, your crits do 100% more damage (not sure on this number), and have a 50% chance to cause an explosion with each offensive spell.

[Rok]

Thanks Warskull. So a level 40 Sorceror is going to do 372 damage to themselves per cast on average, if they're casting with full Dark Magic.
So on a 3 second cast Doombolt you're inflicting 124 DPS on yourself....I think that's taking 'glass cannon' to a new level.

[Murte]

Backlash is spelled out very clearly, it does 20% of your max HP each time it procs, no resists, no guarding, etc. mitigates this damage.

In short you backlash 5 times in a single combat with no healing, *poof* you are dead.

[Klesp]

Backlash is spelled out very clearly, it does 20% of your max HP each time it procs, no resists, no guarding, etc. mitigates this damage.

In short you backlash 5 times in a single combat with no healing, *poof* you are dead.

It can't be health, or at least I can't see how it can be. My Bright Wizard battle ranked to R36 had 4,670 health and received 682 damage Explosions. My Sorceress battle ranked to E36 whad 4,930 health and received 682 damage Backlashes.

[Murte]

Another wrong tooltip then...

[Butch]

This is good. While not enormously helpful on a day to day basis, this is good info that will DEFINITELY be used in theorycrafting. Or do we now say theoryhammering?

Nice job, man.

[Fura]

They are calculated on base hp, ignoring any increase due to +wounds, that's why you were getting some differences. Of course, since base hp has a direct relationship with level, probably you could get a formula based on level instead of hp, but I think it's easier with HP. It must be 20%, or something pretty close. At 32 the base hp is 3190, and at 31 is 3130. I don't remember how much was the maximum backlash at that levels, you have the numbers.. do they correspond with a simple percentage?

[Klesp]

They are calculated on base hp, ignoring any increase due to +wounds, that's why you were getting some differences. Of course, since base hp has a direct relationship with level, probably you could get a formula based on level instead of hp, but I think it's easier with HP. It must be 20%, or something pretty close. At 32 the base hp is 3190, and at 31 is 3130. I don't remember how much was the maximum backlash at that levels, you have the numbers.. do they correspond with a simple percentage?

Nope, they don't correspond @ 20%. The actual base wounds is 310 for a Rank 31 Bright Wizard and 355 for Rank 36.

Rank 31: 3,100 * 0.2 = 620 (+20 above actual)
Rank 36: 3,550 * 0.2 = 710 (+28 above actual)

If it was a direct percentage, then for 3,100 to link to 600 the percentage would have to: 19.354839% (rounded off). Your base health would have to be 3,000 exactly without wounds to be 20% @ R31. Also looking at rank 36, to the percentage is 19.21126%. A we can see the number isn't fixed and is scaling, so there is a proper formula for it and nothing unfortunately as simple as base_hp * 0.2.

[Fura]

Well.. 19.3% and 19.2%, almost there :D So 20% is not a bad aproximation it seems, but your formulas are more exact, good work there :)

[Rok]

Using this backlash table and Klesp's forumla, a level 40 character is going to take damage according to the chart below.

http://www.geocities.com/ayestes18/DarkMagic.jpg


http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/AMAid/Warhammer/Backlash.jpg

[PekkaR]

interesting results. according to your formula we would see approximately the following for a level 31 character.

base/tier 1 feedback = 60 dmg
tier 2 feedback = 120 dmg
tier 3 feedback = 240 dmg
tier 4 feedback = 480 dmg
tier 5 feedback = 600 dmg

to me this seems anecdotally correct but i haven't played BW/Sorc very much at all. do these results conform with other beta testers experiences?

At least the tier 3, 4 and 5 feedback values are exactly the damage amounts I saw while testing other things on a template r31rr25 Sorcerer.

I never saw them mitigated or crit, which leads me to think they're like Morale ability damage. Basically unaffected by any stats. (I haven't seen a verification that Morale abilities don't get even block/parry/dodge/disrupt but it seems likely.)

[Klesp]

I'm not sure the calculation is correct, if it was dead on 682 for R36 Tier 5 then I'd be happy that it was, but it's 2 out. Another sum that is very close to the figures is: ( Level + 5 ) / 0.06

Still hoping to get a proper formula for it, wish I had more numbers to work on because just 2 sets for R30 and R36 ain't much to work on :)

[Anoran]

Well, I'll give you my explosion numbers from rank 18-20.....I did some math of my own, but haven't been able to come up with a formula that gives the exact numbers for each rank. Don't even know if that is possible, since the game no doubt rounds up or down as well. Anyways, here are my numbers - starting with the base dmg and going to T5:

Rank 18: 38dmg, 76dmg, 152dmg, 305dmg, 382dmg
Rank 19: 40dmg, 80dmg, 160dmg, 320dmg, 400dmg
Rank 20: 41dmg, 83dmg, 166dmg, 332dmg, 416dmg

[Anoran]

It actually just occurred to me that the best way to create a precise formula would be to check your explosion/backlash amounts at rank 1. My combat log shows none before rank 2 unfortunately, but seeing as how this fascinates me so strangely much I'll test it out tomorrow morning when PW players get to play again!

[Klesp]

Well, I'll give you my explosion numbers from rank 18-20.....I did some math of my own, but haven't been able to come up with a formula that gives the exact numbers for each rank. Don't even know if that is possible, since the game no doubt rounds up or down as well. Anyways, here are my numbers - starting with the base dmg and going to T5:

Rank 18: 38dmg, 76dmg, 152dmg, 305dmg, 382dmg
Rank 19: 40dmg, 80dmg, 160dmg, 320dmg, 400dmg
Rank 20: 41dmg, 83dmg, 166dmg, 332dmg, 416dmg

If those numbers are right, my revised calculation of ( Level + 5 ) / 0.6 is always extremely close to the right numbers, only ever 1.33 maximum away from the actual number. I've edited the original post to use this new formula as for all the numbers I've had, it's nearly always dead on.

Thanks for the numbers Anoran!

[rigamorti]

I have not played WAR, yet. So, I have to ask....

Is it worth even playing a mage that blows itself up all the time?

What is the catch?

Is this class really powerful compared to the other mages?

Thanks.

[Klesp]

I have not played WAR, yet. So, I have to ask....

Is it worth even playing a mage that blows itself up all the time?

What is the catch?

Is this class really powerful compared to the other mages?

Thanks.

I had major doubts over the Explosion / Backlash mechanic, I thought I was absolutely going to despise it, however I really love it - it adds more flavour/skill to the class. I'd say wait until you get into game and give it a whirl, it might not be your cup of tea but then again you might end up in the mindset as I am that it was no where near as bad as I thought it was going to be.

[paolodistruggiuova]

i dont have the beta key so i never played war yet but i was wondering...does the backlash set back your dark power to t1? if not would you be able to just spam skills with t5 dark power playing with a dedicated healer (a rl friend starting war with me in example >:-D )?
thanks for answering

[Klesp]

i dont have the beta key so i never played war yet but i was wondering...does the backlash set back your dark power to t1? if not would you be able to just spam skills with t5 dark power playing with a dedicated healer (a rl friend starting war with me in example >:-D )?
thanks for answering

No, it doesn't.

[Chruch]

i dont have the beta key so i never played war yet but i was wondering...does the backlash set back your dark power to t1? if not would you be able to just spam skills with t5 dark power playing with a dedicated healer (a rl friend starting war with me in example >:-D )?
thanks for answering

No it does not and yes you can !!

I play AM (Archmage) my wife plays BW (Bright Wizard) .. When shes running 100 Combustion and I am watching over her = sick.

A healer + BW / Sorc combo is very nasty.