fight strongly... by not having their feet on the ground.

[Deathron]

"Although they will fight on the ground with great swords, there will come a point when they will be able to fight strongly... by not having their feet on the ground. " err... wtf? sounds... enticing.

[Drace]

Could be a teaser to Choas Knights, since they were mentioning Sorcerers riding disks

[Kraus]

Two possibilities, eaither A the more doubtful of them referencing the Tzeentch spell that lets them (literally) erupt wings from their back to take off, or B the more likely mention of mounted combat. I would say go for mounted combat since they mention Sorc's fighting on discs, and its already been nodded to on class specific mounts.

[doomy]

Wings or mounted combat. I wish its the first :)

[ClownSt0pper]

They would never have a class that can truely fly away in an MMORPG. They tried it in WOW with the Druid form of storm crow. Needless to say it opened up a complete can of worms having the ability to travel over all game content.. I wouldnt be surprised at wings that made them hover..

[Cranmer]

My first thought - wings, but than again how wings would make them fight more "strongly"? :? Mounted combat makes more sense imo...

[Nathar]

See what you did? Now I feel moronic. I didn't even think of mounted combat! Whereas before I thought something like "Cool, I'll have flying assistance", now it's more like "MOUNTED?! gief Cold one!!!!"

I'm pretty happy now, speculations on a hint from a guy in early development I know, but still.. yay!

[Grrblt]

I feel somewhat stupid as well, not having thought of mounted stuff. I was thinking, either they grow wings, or they mutate their feet into something that isn't feet.

CHAOS KNIGHTS IZ DA BEST (bester than Grimgor).

[HNV]

They would never have a class that can truely fly away in an MMORPG. They tried it in WOW with the Druid form of storm crow. Needless to say it opened up a complete can of worms having the ability to travel over all game content.. I wouldnt be surprised at wings that made them hover..

druids had storm crow form in the WOW alpha and beta in 2003/2004 they cancled it and now they bring it back in TBC
on topic:
i think mutation:=getting wings and flying

[Kraus]

As a note, if they do get any sort of wings to fly, they would be most likely to just hover, not free form flying.

[Scirrocco]

or it could be you can fly as high as you want, just not for very long, and it has a long cooldown.

[Halfhand]

Maybe Tzeentch just "blesses" the bejeezus out of them until they no longer have feet at all.

Or Paul could have been speaking more to their state of mind than their physical orientation. Chosen of Tzeentch aren't exactly the most grounded of individuals.

[Rain]

My guess, your special ability you can call forth the blessing of Tzeentch and get possessed by him. (ofcourse you can only use it sparingly, long cooldown, lots of morale or whatever). All your attributes increase with a blue hue surrounding you sprouting phantom wings but you don't actually fly just hover a bit.

[Squig-O-Rama]

On the tabletop, Chaos Knights were the most devastating cavalry unit in the game. They ate heavy infantry for breakfast, armoured cavalry for lunch, and monstrous creatures for dinner. Everything else was a snack. Therefore, I can safely assume that this implies mounted combat.

[Halfhand]

Hey, I've figured it out!

They start off walking around on foot. Then they run into a party of dwarfs who cut their legs off at the knees. Then they spend the rest of their lives carrying their feet around in a dandy chaos handbag!

[MachiavelliDisciple]

Well from the text his meaning is rather vague, but if you watch the video interview it is quite clear he is hinting to some form of content, most likely mounted combat. The way he words it and the way people laugh saying 'Noone will be able to figure it out from that' certainly implies planned content that Mythic or being a bit secretive about, but not much.

http://au.media.pc.gamespy.com/media/748/748723/vids_1.html

End of video 1

[Grrblt]

Hey, I've figured it out!

They start off walking around on foot. Then they run into a party of dwarfs who cut their legs off at the knees. Then they spend the rest of their lives carrying their feet around in a dandy chaos handbag!

Hah, the only form of cutting associated with dwarfs is the shaving of their beards!

[Halfhand]

Hah, the only form of cutting associated with dwarfs is the shaving of their beards!

Oh! Right! Thems is FEYET-IN WEHRDS! You Clanless Hanky-waving Snotling-fondler!

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For an explaination of the above post please go to this thread:

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7178

[Axxar]

Hey, I've figured it out!

They start off walking around on foot. Then they run into a party of dwarfs who cut their legs off at the knees. Then they spend the rest of their lives carrying their feet around in a dandy chaos handbag!The black knight always triumphs!

[Rhaka]

Clearly, Chaos Warriors will get to tapdance their way to victory.

[Kraus]

or it could be you can fly as high as you want, just not for very long, and it has a long cooldown.

Free form flying wont be in the game, even just fly as high as you want has issues with rendering engines.

[Sluf]

Kraus, will the two new Chaos classes be added as sub forums before the newsletter, or are you going to add the subforums after the newsletter, and get all 3 classes in place?

[Kraus]

You mean the 4 classes :P I cant create subforums unfortantly, but garth seems to be following the policy of making subforums once the newsletter gives a overview for em.

[spirit]

Free form flying wont be in the game, even just fly as high as you want has issues with rendering engines.

Well city of heroes/villains manages it pretty fine...

[pentabell]

could just be like the vampiir class in DAoC, what they did is they had a self run speed buff, and they would take a few steps and then just hover slightly off the ground while moving. could just be like that. it was only about a foot or so off the ground, purely asthetic, but it was still cool

[Kraus]

Yes, but this isnt CoH/CoV. You have to design a game basically from ground up to support free form flying, because now you have to deal with fun things like balance issues, additional ways for a player to bypass content, and the fact that everything must be COMPLETLY rendered.

When you see a house in a city wall for example, only the front and walls attaching it to the city may be rendered, the back part and the roof might not be at all - making it easier on your system, because you never have to see them. If you want an easy example of that, go play CS and then roll the camera out, you will see how alot of things arent actually encapsulated... But if you let players free form fly, the rest of the house has to be rendered so there isnt random holes in the world.

Its not impossible to put it in, and its not all that hard, its just that WAR has not been focused around having that in the game. If you look at games ADDING it in, like WoW, it only gets added in specific areas designed for that - Outlands.

[Brass Soul]

If they were to impiment Flying in a form, it would more likely be a "Teleport" fashion of movement.

Your Chaos Sorcerer, riding his Disc of Tzeentch enters the field of battle. Immediately beset by a Dwarven Ironbreaker, he deftly avoids the blows of the scrappy Dwarf and outstretches his arms upwards. He flys out of the Ironbreakers reach only long enough to pass the battlelines and begin to cast his terrible magics again.

I'm imagining more a Dawn of War style "flight" where you select a location from where you are currently, and your character takes to the sky long enough to fly to that location (ignoring intervening terrain and enemies) to land again, on the ground and being succeptable to all the same things that would kill him normally. It would give the "fliers" a distinct evasive quality to make up for the fact that your Mages don't *always* want to be about arms length from a bigger, nastier enemy than themselves. :p

[Nerror]

Flying in a PvP game has been done before: Those birdmen in Shadowbane. It cost the equivalent of WAR action points to stay in the air, so it was very limited, but it was possible to attack with a ranged weapon while in the air. It was not imbalancing in Shadowbane because flying had that cost associated. And once you took off, it was like painting a big, fat bullseye on yourself to the ranged classes, unless you were able to sneak up from behind. It's absolutely possible to have flying in the game. Whether or not that's what Paul meant has yet to be seen. It would certainly be fitting if the warriors could sprout wings, but who knows.

[Kraus]

Brass : I dont really think that would work too well, no offense, it gives them periods where they are untouchable, and I dont think I remember ever hearing discs flying all that high. They arent nescessarily fliers so much as just normal mounts.

Nerror : I wouldnt expect that in WAR, because from the last time I talked to the dev's, they werent really ready for someone randomly going free flight. Its possible, no-ones saying it isnt, but its not very likely.

[Vervayne]

Free flight isn't going to happen.
It will probably be like hovering slightly off the ground. Maybe something similar to the Vampiir in DAoC.

[Ruinx]

Kraus - There's one big problem with your argument.

You're assuming that because, as far as we know, there isn't much flying in WAR, then it'll be like WoW, with vast areas unrendered and unrenderable, because no-one could get to them, even though Blizzard themselves now admit that was a mistake. So basically you're saying that because Blizzard made a mistake, so must Mythic? I don't buy it. Were I designing a new MMO, I'd seriously considered rendering everything fully, because it doesn't require a huge amount more effort and allows you to have flight later on.

I don't think we will see flying Chaos Warriors (it'd be a little wierd, though for Tzeentch you can rule nothing out) but simply saying "WoW didn't do it, thus WAR won't do it!" doesn't really cut it.

[Ralzar]

Aren't there several movies floating around of gameplay where the devs use their magic commands to fly around? I seem to remember the terrain looking perfectly fine...

Edit: besides, it looks liek the zones are designed so you use the z-axis a lot. With mountain ways going up and down and over eachother. So large amount of the terrain would have to be made wievable form above.

[Ruinx]

Aren't there several movies floating around of gameplay where the devs use their magic commands to fly around? I seem to remember the terrain looking perfectly fine...

Yes, there are. I'd have used that example but the same would be true of WoW. Most of WoW is fine from the air, it's just a few areas that look dubious, and we've not seen a flying movie "sustained" enough to "prove" anything.

[spirit]

Yes, but this isnt CoH/CoV. You have to design a game basically from ground up to support free form flying, because now you have to deal with fun things like balance issues, additional ways for a player to bypass content, and the fact that everything must be COMPLETLY rendered.

When you see a house in a city wall for example, only the front and walls attaching it to the city may be rendered, the back part and the roof might not be at all - making it easier on your system, because you never have to see them. If you want an easy example of that, go play CS and then roll the camera out, you will see how alot of things arent actually encapsulated... But if you let players free form fly, the rest of the house has to be rendered so there isnt random holes in the world.

Its not impossible to put it in, and its not all that hard, its just that WAR has not been focused around having that in the game. If you look at games ADDING it in, like WoW, it only gets added in specific areas designed for that - Outlands.


Oh I don't want free form flying, it's just every time the subject comes up someone goes "freeform flying has never been done in MMO's" or "freeform flying doesn't work in MMO's", and I feel the need to point out that it has and could be done again.

It could be done, but it won't because it would be extremely graphics intensive and, for all intents and purposes...pointless.

[Kraus]

Ruinx - I talked with Jero and Dash about it when they used to visit the chatroom, they went on and on about the problems of free flight far more then I did, and I got the very distinct impression it wasnt going to be in :P Vast un-rendered areas is fairly standard in MMOs. I just use WoW as a point because its something that people can relate to, not because "WoW couldnt do it".

Spirit - You made your post in response to me, and I didnt say eaither of those. :P

[Kampfer]

If we get Mounted Combat then I hope we can have Chaos Dragons. Hey I know its a stretch but a man can dream....

[System Shock]

It is probably mounted combat of some sort. But it got me thinking about it and since Tzeentch is a bird-like god(I think) perhaps they'll get the ability to have wings to hover; mainly a visual flourish, but could perhaps make you temporarily immune to slowing effects and the like.

I also considered a winged swooping attack for an opener, a la WoW's charge ability for warriors, which has to be one of the coolest abilities in an MMO. I envision this swooping(charge - only a few feet off the ground with the wings) as graphically impressive, dark, ethereal wings appearing during the swoop, then fading away once the move is completed.

[Lord Semaj]

If we get Mounted Combat then I hope we can have Chaos Dragons. Hey I know its a stretch but a man can dream....

Doubt we'll have it in the first release due to the amount of work flying mounts require in every game, but it's definitely expansion content worthy. :D

[Kraus]

I would honestly say I dont expect them to ever include free flying mounts =\ Requires tweaking and just isnt what they seem to be ready for..

[Kampfer]

meh, give me an Armoured Steed and i will be happy.

Though i hope Khorne will oneday be released as i want to ride a juggernaut of Khorne.