Chaos Armor

[Vash108]

I am curious to see how the armor will work. The lore states once you have it on it will never come off, unless granted by the gods.

So should the armor be interchangeable or should it be that there is a way to reshape and mold your armor as you progress?

Or is the stuff we are seeing now True chaos armor and that will not be somethign you get until the very end?

Any thoguhts?

[Guido]

If Chaos get to look like the big bad dark knights the whole game...

Hello most popular race!

[Ralzar]

That's a good question. Raised a releated question a little while back:

What kind of character customizability will Chosen have if they start out covered in armour?
I mean, you can't choose skin tones or a face or anything like that if you don't even start out seeing it (it's not like chaos warriors get LESS armoured as they level up :p)

[Guido]

From a lore standpoint, I don't suppose Chaos would care that much for customization. There are however, trophies that will make 2 chaos look different from each other and that depends on their personal triumphs. Chaos also develop mutations as they grow in power, which could visually seperate them from the rest of the pack. You can also opt to dye this armor too. This is of course, assuming there is no default way to physically customize your character.

[Ralzar]

Chaos is probably the army with the MOST armour customization of all of them. Since they really have no completely uniform look (other than big, armoured and preferrably spikey :p).
The Devs have allready said multiple times that the most important character customization in the game will be your armour. How exactly this customization works, we still lack details on but there's defenetively more to it than just some deyes.
There was an example given of an orc pauldron and how the player could either use the pauldron, turn the pauldron off (he still gets the stats, but it's invisible) or turn it into a big skull (he still gets the stat, but it looks different). The goal was to, for example, have ten Black Orcs stand next to eachother and all look different but still all look like Black Orcs.

[Ken]

If Chaos get to look like the big bad dark knights the whole game...

Hello most popular race!

It only makes sense. According to the Backstory for this game, Chaos IS the most populated. Orcs don't seem that far behind.

The whole idea of the game is that Destruction outnumbers Order 3:1 and Order is about to be completely wiped from EXISTENCE. But they're like "we gotta..."

Which makes Order completely awesome. Because you know with their hearts of hearts, they will put up a fight.

But anyway... It'd be cool if there were mutations.

[Ralzar]

Which makes Order completely awesome. Because you know with their hearts of hearts, they will put up a fight.

Except that Order will probably outnumber the Destruction side and they'll be all "OMG I M TEH PALADIN!!11 LOLZ!!11" :P

[Guido]

Except that Order will probably outnumber the Destruction side and they'll be all "OMG I M TEH PALADIN!!11 LOLZ!!11" :P

Hopefully the ratio will be 50/50. I don't want to outnumber my opponent anymore than I want my opponent to outnumber me.

[Nathar]

[QUOTE=Ken;186322]It only makes sense. According to the Backstory for this game, Chaos IS the most populated. Orcs don't seem that far behind.
QUOTE]

Do you mean in the game? Because I'm pretty sure Skaven kicks norsemen when it comes to numbers.

That being said, there are two (probably more) ways to handle this issue. One, armour id dealt with by 'adding' on top of what you have rather then actually change it.. that would allow not breaking the lore of armor staying on while allowing armor changes.
The other is to simply have GM allow them to change that. Hence, armor can be taken off!

[Ajax]

i think the chaos will start out looking like barbarian-like humans. The northern men that they are. And will eventully be "givin" bad armor that fuses to their body. Then you can reshape it and ad trophies to it.

No one will start out with the gods direct blessing. You have to earn it.

[Vash108]

i think the chaos will start out looking like barbarian-like humans. The northern men that they are. And will eventully be "givin" bad armor that fuses to their body. Then you can reshape it and ad trophies to it.

No one will start out with the gods direct blessing. You have to earn it.

Thats pretty much what I Predict as well.

[Ralzar]

No one will start out with the gods direct blessing. You have to earn it.

Seeing as the class is called "Chosen of Tzeench" I sorta think you will :P

[Ye olde Kharn]

Seeing as the class is called "Chosen of Tzeench" I sorta think you will :P

ehhhh... so any name with Kh at the start of it would be kinda stupid......

The armor might be like the Warforged in DDO where you can get little do-dads to make you look different

[Kraus]

Expect to be starting off in armor, the degree of its warpness we dont know - the image they releaed they claim isnt a top tier armor, so whether thats 1 2 or 3 we dont know (the general guess is 2 or 3). Regardless, Mythic will give plenty of customization, dont worry. :P

As a side note, dont expect to have to talk to a GM to change armor, ouch, that would be crazy >.<

[Drace]

Something I was wondering that was close to this, was whether or not a person wearing Choas Armour could take off their helm. In the TT Fluff they cant remove any of their armour, but in stories, all the champions have no helm, or take them off repeatedly. I was also wondering this because my whole dream choas warrior would be a overly armoured giant, witha bare head and shaved, very pale head.

[Nathar]

Well, the head is the exception because.. well it is! I don't know why but if there has to be an exception it's better it's the helmet then the left boot or something. And to the people that claim he will start out with a barbaric look. I doubt that very much, he's a chosen not a marauder. They might make a marauder type for melee dps letting this guy be more of a tanker, but chosen just doesn't run around without amor, then they're not chosen;)

[Ralzar]

ehhhh... so any name with Kh at the start of it would be kinda stupid......


Yup, espechially if they end in "arn" for example would be pretty stupid. Both because you're playing Tzeench and because it's as original as calling your elf Legolas :P

[Ken]

[QUOTE=Ken;186322]It only makes sense. According to the Backstory for this game, Chaos IS the most populated. Orcs don't seem that far behind.
[QUOTE]

Do you mean in the game? Because I'm pretty sure Skaven kicks norsemen when it comes to numbers.

Yes! "According to the backstory (http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/gameBackstory/) for this game (http://www.warhammeronline.com/images/warhammerTitle.gif)."

I'm not worried about chaos outnumbering me in-game. That just means there's more to kill. (For when I make my Order/Empire character....since I'll be a mean green black orc)

They're probably thinking of what to do [about the chaos armor]...because they seem to want to stick to the lore as best as they can, but I dunno if I'd enjoy not removing my armor MMO-wise unless there were some way to upgrade it.

[Nathar]

sorry, my reading was clearly not done very well, I bring you my apology.

[Chilltouch]

It's simple.

The Gods allow them to remove their lesser amour in order to place on a superior suit of armour.

[Ralzar]

You know, the whole "armour fused to body" thing has allways been something I've wondered about.

First of all, it seems WAY too uniform for the chaos gods. "Oh right, you've moved up in rank. Here's your chaos armour, it'll only take a moment to fuse with you."

And secondly, it's never quite clear WHEN this happens. Sometimes the warriors armour starts out normal and then is warped over time into more and more demonic-looking armour. While other times the warrior is granted a suit of chaos armour. And other times the armour is put together by bits of armour looted from other chaos warriors.

And thirdly it's never quite clear at what "power level" this happens. Is it only with the really, really favoured, like Arbaal The Undefeated and Egrimm Van Horstmann? Does it happen to anyone who leads a bunch of chaos warriors? Does it happen to all chaos warriors?


It seems like the rules change from text to text I read. Some treat it like something that CAN happen. Same way as you CAN grow a tentacle, but it doesn't happen to everyone. And other texts refer to it as something that happens to all champions.

Personally, I see it as a common mutation. There's no structure to it, but it will eventually happen to most chaos warriors if they live long enough.

[Drace]

In the old fluff, Choas Armour was bound to a person once they became a choas warrior and proved themselves, and pledged themselves to choas. Usually, whatever armour they had would morph/warp to a more suitable item (Breastplate would go black, grow out over arms etc). In the newer Fluff though, only the Chosen, the best of the Choas warriors (The counterpart to the Empire's Inner Circle) get choas armour, and it's gifted to them by the gods, and once donned, stays on forever.

A good example of this would be the passage about the choas warrior Justine in the first Gotrek and felix novel (Yes, they have everything in there)

[Ignus]

I've been reading the Slayer series again, and while reading one of the books (Beastslayer), I found something about this:

"When he had found the hidden shrine to Tzeentch, buried deep in a crystal cave in the Mountains of Madness, he had been judged worthy to become a Chaos warrior. The black armor had been grafted to his body. Its gifts increased strength and resilience had become his, and he had ridden out into the world to spread change and terror in the name of his master."

And around a page later:

"They had been more helpful when he retrieved his invincible armour from the Vaults of Aldrun. They had somehow known the spells that would unlock the armour and then bind it to his body. Since that day, as they had prophesied, he had proven invulnerable to every weapon forged by mortal or daemon"

So make of that what you want. I'm not quite sure how exactly it works, and I'm also not entirely sure how precise the source is, since even though the book is very accurate in most areas, I'm sure there are certain things that the author had to change to make the book make more sense to his readers.

[ghemml]

I saw the november's newsletter... and saw a difference in the Art work between Mythic and Gameworkshop.

Mythic Artwork on Chaos Armor
http://www.warhammeronline.com/newsletter/images/2006/chaoscareer_ch_01.jpg

Games Workshop Artwork on Chaos Armor
http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/artwork/images/art01.jpg


If given a choice, I would perfer Games Workshop original Art and concept for Chaos Armor, cause Gamesworkshop design work for Chaos look more Evil and has more dark essence in them.

[Commentaris]

I saw the november's newsletter... and saw a difference in the Art work between Mythic and Gameworkshop.

Mythic Artwork on Chaos Armor
http://www.warhammeronline.com/newsletter/images/2006/chaoscareer_ch_01.jpg

Games Workshop Artwork on Chaos Armor
http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/artwork/images/art01.jpg


If given a choice, I would perfer Games Workshop original Art and concept for Chaos Armor, cause Gamesworkshop design work for Chaos look more Evil and has more dark essence in them.

they dont want the generic evil look. they want something different and tzeentch gives them this option.

as such that first link is clearly a tzeentch follower, the second clearly isn't.

[Nathar]

GW Chaos dude: Judging by the pile of humans he's on top of, he's most likely a pretty decent champion and that would explain why he had armor like that, possible fused then transformed armor. While the picture from WAR art is a tier 3 chosen, something quite different from a bad champion of Chaos.
My take on it anyway.

EDIT: removed Archaon part, apologies.

[Commentaris]

think that pic predates the character of Archaon by some years. so doubt it's him

[Ralzar]

Games Workshop Artwork on Chaos Armor
http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/artwork/images/art01.jpg


The leader of the chaos faction in WAR might look liek that. Not every chaos warrior in the army. Allthough the leader in WAR will probably look a lot more Tzeentchian.

[Vash108]

think that pic predates the character of Archaon by some years. so doubt it's him

http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/artwork/images/art01.jpg

That is a picture of Engra Deathsword if I am not mistaken.

Perhaps you wont receive your Real chaos armor till the end and even then it might warp in ways to look unique and get certain enchantments or magics to inlay to change it in a way better fit to your style. But I doubt it, and what ever route they choose I'm sure it will be explained well.

[Horvak]

One thing that I think would convey chaos well would be for the same types of armour to have small random differences. Same stats but my version might have a different pattern of spikes or be a different color. Just something so we dont all look the same.

[Ralzar]

One thing that I think would convey chaos well would be for the same types of armour to have small random differences. Same stats but my version might have a different pattern of spikes or be a different color. Just something so we dont all look the same.

One of the big featurures of WAR is supposed to be its armour customizability options.

THe example put forth by Paul was that if you line up 10 Black Orcs, they'll all be different while still beign unmistakably balck orcs.

[Grrblt]

I saw the november's newsletter... and saw a difference in the Art work between Mythic and Gameworkshop.

Mythic Artwork on Chaos Armor
http://www.warhammeronline.com/newsletter/images/2006/chaoscareer_ch_01.jpg

Games Workshop Artwork on Chaos Armor
http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/artwork/images/art01.jpg


If given a choice, I would perfer Games Workshop original Art and concept for Chaos Armor, cause Gamesworkshop design work for Chaos look more Evil and has more dark essence in them.
Your GW picture depicts a named Champion, one of the main hot shots in Chaos.
Here is another picture that depicts a Chosen Knight:
http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/gaming/tactics/one_shot/images/cknight_art.jpg

[Nathar]

Your GW picture depicts a named Champion, one of the main hot shots in Chaos.
Here is another picture that depicts a Chosen Knight:
http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/gaming/tactics/one_shot/images/cknight_art.jpg

Exactly my point.. it's better supported by a picture, should've thought of that:p

[ghemml]

they dont want the generic evil look. they want something different and tzeentch gives them this option.

as such that first link is clearly a tzeentch follower, the second clearly isn't.

If they don't want the generic evil look, then what for design Warhammer Online?

I believe Warhammer hardcores will love to keep close to the original concept of Warhammer from Games Workshop. Cause that is things that capture the mind of warhammer gamers, and thats why warhammer is called "Warhammer".

If they move away from the original concept of warhammer then, this is game is no longer Warhammer Online. We will need a generic name for it.... likewise World of Warcraft, a generic change from Warhammer concept.

[ghemml]

Your GW picture depicts a named Champion, one of the main hot shots in Chaos.
Here is another picture that depicts a Chosen Knight:
http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/gaming/tactics/one_shot/images/cknight_art.jpg

They look more cool compare to Mythic Concept on Chaos... I love Game Workshop art...

Another Artwork on Warhammer but its 40K...

They share the same properties in their background and concept

http://uk.games-workshop.com/chaosspacemarines/wallpapers/images/wp-01-800.jpg

Chaos Marines - Thousand Sons Champion

[ghemml]

Here another example of GW Chaos Armor.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/download/popup.htm?/hordesofchaos/wallpapers/images/wp01-800x600.jpg

Note the center is the Champion, on the left is the Icon bearer.

I hope Mythic don't change the original concept of evil in Warhammer, otherwise it wouldn't be Warhammer anymore... it be just another MMO

[Node]

As I posted earlier today in a thread on its own, this is an image of GW's own take on a Tzeentch Warrior. You can notice many similarities between this, and Mythic's concept art. I wouldn't say Mythic went their own way.

Warrior of Tzeentch (http://splitwerks.com/img/tzeentch_warrior.jpg).

[ghemml]

As I posted earlier today in a thread on its own, this is an image of GW's own take on a Tzeentch Warrior. You can notice many similarities between this, and Mythic's concept art. I wouldn't say Mythic went their own way.

Warrior of Tzeentch (http://splitwerks.com/img/tzeentch_warrior.jpg).

Thats is the very early version of GW of Chaos... IIRC...

Correct me if I'm wrong...

[Crooked]

Well, for the Chaos armour, I really hope that the chaos warriors do not start out looking like the warriors in the concept art we have been shown. I picture that with the hope that it is more towards the endgame. I think it would suit both the lore and gameplay mechanics much better to start out with little to no armour and work your way up to better and better armour as you progress. None the less, Chaos Armor has often been explained as being grafted to the skin of the wearer, so upgrading will have to work around the lore a bit there in the spirit of a gameplay mechanic that works, and encourages players to keep playing.

[Vervayne]

Well, for the Chaos armour, I really hope that the chaos warriors do not start out looking like the warriors in the concept art we have been shown. I picture that with the hope that it is more towards the endgame. I think it would suit both the lore and gameplay mechanics much better to start out with little to no armour and work your way up to better and better armour as you progress. None the less, Chaos Armor has often been explained as being grafted to the skin of the wearer, so upgrading will have to work around the lore a bit there in the spirit of a gameplay mechanic that works, and encourages players to keep playing.

Maybe it will be added in 'layers', gaining more detail with each tier. So what starts off as looking rather plainish and low class, will eventually look extremely polished and detailed, as high level armor should.
But I sincerely hope all armor doesn't look the same for each race/class. I like to see variety and options.

[Drace]

Also, maybe it goes from the basic lightly detailed armour to much more extravagent, like the picture of Archon (I think it is him) that Ghemmi posted as a comparison. But it would still be the same armour, maybe it just hardens, or blessings are bought that don't do any magical bonus, but increase the stats of the armour (raise it a tier) and make it more ornate by the power of Tzeench?

[Commentaris]

If they don't want the generic evil look, then what for design Warhammer Online?

I believe Warhammer hardcores will love to keep close to the original concept of Warhammer from Games Workshop. Cause that is things that capture the mind of warhammer gamers, and thats why warhammer is called "Warhammer".

If they move away from the original concept of warhammer then, this is game is no longer Warhammer Online. We will need a generic name for it.... likewise World of Warcraft, a generic change from Warhammer concept.
they dont move away from the original concept of warhammer, nor did i claim they did.

they take bits from the original concept of warhammer, the bits they like best.

paraphrasing paul barnett here: "we chose tzeentch because he offers a different vision from Evil, different than fire and brimstone which is the normal way Evil has been portrayed in videogames"

tzeentch has his own style, while still being very evil, very chaotic and therefor very warhammery.

get it?

[spirit]

Chaos armour lore-wise looks different from person to person, because it is a magically mutated set of armour...as such it is pretty pointloess to say "lol, this is what Chaos should look like", as true Chaos looks however it wants to.

[Kraus]

Crooked - The armor in the shots is tier 3 out of 4 tiers, its higher end :p

[NoneSuch]

My problem is - Will chaos warriors be able to pick up armour like anyone else would ? or do they only get new armour when the gods gift them with it ?

[Lord Semaj]

With multiple races, I doubt there's going to be race-specific armors tying you down. The appearance may change, but it's still generic Tier 4.

[Ralzar]

My problem is - Will chaos warriors be able to pick up armour like anyone else would ? or do they only get new armour when the gods gift them with it ?

Well, we still don't actually know if there will be "loot dropping" in the normal fantasy sense. I know it seem obvious that there will be, since all other fantasy games have it. But we haven't heard anything solid about that part of the game yet.
What I do rememeber hearing/reading was that one of the tricks to get the invaders out of the capitol was that they had to get their loot out of the capitol and back to their own lands to "cash in" the rewards. Might be somehting special for the capitols, but it might as well be how it works all the time. Having to buy or gain rep with an NPC to get the decent loot for example.

[Axxar]

Some kind of upgrade system seems appropriate for the Chosen, since it doesn't make sense for them to replace their current armor due to obvious complications.
However it is a game, and making an armor upgrade system solely for one career seems a bit much, so I wouldn't be one to complain if the Chosen got new chaos armor from loot.

[_Jani_]

This chosen guy looks a bit Sarevok from BG

[Axxar]

Sarevok is a choir boy compared to this.

[ghemml]

they dont move away from the original concept of warhammer, nor did i claim they did.

they take bits from the original concept of warhammer, the bits they like best.

paraphrasing paul barnett here: "we chose tzeentch because he offers a different vision from Evil, different than fire and brimstone which is the normal way Evil has been portrayed in videogames"

tzeentch has his own style, while still being very evil, very chaotic and therefor very warhammery.

get it?

If you have played the tabletop version, Chaos warriors are generic throughtout the 4 types of armies.... they don't differs much from one another....

BUILDING A CORE ARMY - TZEENTCH
http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/getting%2Dstarted/12/

BUILDING A CORE ARMY - KHORNE
http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/getting%2Dstarted/13/

BUILDING A CORE ARMY - SLAANESH
http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/getting%2Dstarted/14/

BUILDING A CORE ARMY - NURGLE
http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/getting%2Dstarted/15/

[Ralzar]

If you have played the tabletop version, Chaos warriors are generic throughtout the 4 types of armies.... they don't differs much from one another....


That's because the TT game is simplified. Things are made more generic for ease of use.

[Commentaris]

If you have played the tabletop version, Chaos warriors are generic throughtout the 4 types of armies.... they don't differs much from one another....

i have played the TT game, but that's besides the point

this is WAR, not the TT game. so eventhough the models of all chaos warriors are the same (mass production to cut down on the fabricating costs) this doesn't mean all chaos warriors look the same in the 'actual' warhammer world.

[Drace]

If you have played the tabletop version, Chaos warriors are generic throughtout the 4 types of armies.... they don't differs much from one another....

BUILDING A CORE ARMY - TZEENTCH
http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/getting%2Dstarted/12/

BUILDING A CORE ARMY - KHORNE
http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/getting%2Dstarted/13/

BUILDING A CORE ARMY - SLAANESH
http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/getting%2Dstarted/14/

BUILDING A CORE ARMY - NURGLE
http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/getting%2Dstarted/15/

If your mentioning the army builds themselves, they're meant to be very similiar, they did it on purpose. If your talking about the plastic models themselves, what did you expect, for them to spends thousands of dollars making 5 different box sets so that you can make units for all 4 gods, plus undivided, expecting to lose hundreds of thousands more since the majority of armies are tzeench since they have been the most succesfull in the tournies, and they will be the majority sold.

[Instant_Karma]

i think the chaos will start out looking like barbarian-like humans. The northern men that they are. And will eventully be "givin" bad armor that fuses to their body. Then you can reshape it and ad trophies to it.

No one will start out with the gods direct blessing. You have to earn it.

Yeah, that sounds much more Chaos-ie than starting out with the nice spikey armor. Plus how cool would it be if once you earn a new piece of armor you get some animation where you see your new helm instead of instantly with a clang appearing theres a warping twisting animation as it gets molded onto and replaces your old helm. Though I think they would also do like WoW and give you the option of wanting to show your face or not (Imagine that warped, boil encrusted handsome Chaos Chosen face!). Anyways, thats my two cents.

[Grrblt]

i think the chaos will start out looking like barbarian-like humans. The northern men that they are. And will eventully be "givin" bad armor that fuses to their body. Then you can reshape it and ad trophies to it.

No one will start out with the gods direct blessing. You have to earn it.

The Norse as a whole may be like that, but Chosen are not. Sorcerers are not. It's pretty much given that all Chosen have Chaos armor or they wouldn't be Chosen. And since the class is Chosen from level 1, they will have Chaos Armor from level 1.

[Vash108]

The Norse as a whole may be like that, but Chosen are not. Sorcerers are not. It's pretty much given that all Chosen have Chaos armor or they wouldn't be Chosen. And since the class is Chosen from level 1, they will have Chaos Armor from level 1.

That is an interesting point, but even chosen had to start with nothing. I think that this might be one of the cases where the IP was twisted a bit, perhaps.

[Ralzar]

That is an interesting point, but even chosen had to start with nothing. I think that this might be one of the cases where the IP was twisted a bit, perhaps.

Yeah, they started out with nothing. But that was long before they became "Chosen".

Same as, for example, Bright Mages started out not knowing magic. Doesn't mean you'll have to start without spells and the cool clothes ;)

[Vash108]

Mainly I want my armor to be my own. Where people see my armor and recognize it for mine.

Example: Someone spots me from a good distance away and can say "Hey I see Vash108" not "here comes another Chaos".

[Champion of Tzeentch]

My guess is that if Mythic goes one way with the upgrades, say mutations, some people are going to be upset. Therefore I think that you will be able to upgrade your armour many ways. For example, you start out with a plain simple suit of armor, as you progress, you can add pieces of armour from slain foes, mutate, and be granted gifts from the gods. As for seeing the character's face or not, think of it this way, it could be an upgrade, like the person's eyes are filled with all that is chaos and belittle those who would challange him

[Immortalis]

Chaos armour lore-wise looks different from person to person, because it is a magically mutated set of armour...as such it is pretty pointloess to say "lol, this is what Chaos should look like", as true Chaos looks however it wants to.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Chaos hates conformity and wants to be as unique and as chaotic as possible.

[The Crowing]

If Chaos get to look like the big bad dark knights the whole game...

Hello most popular race!

Im gonna go out on a limb and say its impossible to outnumber elf and human players, no matter how cool you make other races. therefore i totally expect dark elf population to be easily bigger than chaos and greenskins on the destruction side.

[The Crowing]

I couldn't have said it better myself. Chaos hates conformity and wants to be as unique and as chaotic as possible.

Doesnt Tzeentch however like making his Chaos look "perfect"? His chaotic symbol for example (the equal points).

[Black Razor]

Doesnt Tzeentch however like making his Chaos look "perfect"? His chaotic symbol for example (the equal points).

You mean the eight arrows pointed in all directions? Thats actually the symbol for Chaos in general... usually used for Chaos Undivided. Tzeentch's symbol is actually much more flowing .. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/7/73/Tzeentch_mark.png .. and really kinda beautiful. I would say though he is certainly one of the more ordered chaos gods .. he is still chaos .. and so though there is a more refined look to his forces they would be great variety. After all his greater Daemons are called Lords of Change. ^^

[The Crowing]

You mean the eight arrows pointed in all directions? Thats actually the symbol for Chaos in general... usually used for Chaos Undivided. Tzeentch's symbol is actually much more flowing .. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/7/73/Tzeentch_mark.png .. and really kinda beautiful. I would say though he is certainly one of the more ordered chaos gods .. he is still chaos .. and so though there is a more refined look to his forces they would be great variety. After all his greater Daemons are called Lords of Change. ^^


I must have misinterpreted something Barnett said, im not a warhammer player just learning about it for this game. He said that chaos symbol was Tzeentch's view of how chaos should be. :confused:

[Ralzar]

I must have misinterpreted something Barnett said, im not a warhammer player just learning about it for this game. He said that chaos symbol was Tzeentch's view of how chaos should be. :confused:

Exactly. It's the symbol of Chaos (the star) covered in Tzeenchian markings. See? It symbolises Tzeench controlling all aspects of Chaos.

[Wyrmtongue]

If you read a lot of the background fluff it tends to hint at Tzeentch being the unseen "puppet master" of the Chaos powers. Tzeentch's style is pulling strings and staying hidden, bending all things to his will whether they realise it or not.
Opens up a lot of possibilities for involving the followers of the other Chaos powers in the game if you think about it... :chaos:

[Vash108]

Im sure you will see alot of Blue and Gold, but I wonder if you will be able to break the bonds of the Tzeentch colors for armor down the road? Guild/Warband Colors perhaps.

[The Crowing]

Im sure you will see alot of Blue and Gold, but I wonder if you will be able to break the bonds of the Tzeentch colors for armor down the road? Guild/Warband Colors perhaps.

Prob not seeing the devotion these chaos show to the gods

[Black Razor]

Im sure you will see alot of Blue and Gold, but I wonder if you will be able to break the bonds of the Tzeentch colors for armor down the road? Guild/Warband Colors perhaps.

They have already said armor will be dyable with a full range of customization via adding fiddly bits .. I doubt chaos will be any different. My hope is there are suitbly tzeentch fiddly bits to be had. Feathers and the like.

[Vail]

So should the armor be interchangeable or should it be that there is a way to reshape and mold your armor as you progress?



MY GOD LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT GUYS HORNS. /shiver
He must be a high tier....

OOOO purple tenticle....awsome.

[Ralzar]

They have already said armor will be dyable with a full range of customization via adding fiddly bits .. I doubt chaos will be any different. My hope is there are suitbly tzeentch fiddly bits to be had. Feathers and the like.

I've got a strong feeling that in some older interview, one of the Devs said something to the effect that colour choices were more limited than first planned, because GW didn't approve of lore-breaking armour-dyeing.

[Waynolt]

I've got a strong feeling that in some older interview, one of the Devs said something to the effect that colour choices were more limited than first planned, because GW didn't approve of lore-breaking armour-dyeing.

Well, I can understand them. I mean, no-one really wants to see a pink Chaos Chosen or a bunch of rainbow warriors.

[Immortalis]

Yeah, it was pretty crazy going up against monopink possessed space marines in DOW.

[Vash108]

I do hope there will be a range of colors we an use, I hate how in other games you cannot dye your armor at all so everyone looks the same. I am pretty sure they are going to allow colors, due to the fact that army painting is a big part of Warhammer, but they might limit some colors, who knows.

[Immortalis]

It would make sense to limit the colors one could choose from depending on what side you're on, like no pink for destruction please!

[EngraDeathsword]

If this has already been said sorry but how many tiers of armor are there.

[Ken]

Not sure about tiers of armor, but so far when anyone's mentioned tiers, they mean the tier of the character. I'm having trouble locating it again, but last I heard I think WAR is divided up into 4 tiers. I don't remember if max level is 40 or if it's 50.

I'm sure 10 people will reply to this and know the correct answer... haha

[Kutulu]

Not sure about tiers of armor, but so far when anyone's mentioned tiers, they mean the tier of the character. I'm having trouble locating it again, but last I heard I think WAR is divided up into 4 tiers. I don't remember if max level is 40 or if it's 50.

I'm sure 10 people will reply to this and know the correct answer... haha

40, yes...

(I think)..

But you could be right about the armor - yes, they've let on that there will be armor for Tier 1, 2 and so on...

But there could be some Tier 2 armor at the low end... and some high end Tier 2 armor.. so, who knows? There may be some sort of gradation of armor quality within a tier classification.

[Ethandril]

At the release of W.A.R. it will be 4 tiers à 10 Levels = max. 40 Levels.

About the armor, each Tier-step the Armor will change more than within the Tier.

[iivili]

As some of you guys have said, chaos warriors can't take off their armors. But as I've read some warhammer books and such, it came up to me that in at least one of them, a chaos champion takes off his helm as he is talking to a wounded priest of Sigmar. He is said to seem pretty normal and not some hideous piece of crap, but if I've understood right, he's a chosen of Slaanesh, not Tzceentch.

So I don't really know. I hope you can at least take the helm off. It'd make them seem more like the men they were (and are, even though corrupted and warped), and bring more of that individuality and customizability that most of us are awaiting from WAR.

[EngraDeathsword]

I'm almost positive they will start out with armor (hence the name Chosen of Chaos)

[Vlez]

Whether or not we end up being able to remove our helms, I really look forward to seeing the level of customisations we can perform to our armours.

[Nezumiiro Kitsune]

I doubt you will get big Chaos Champion armor from the start, Cultists and the like wear armor, but are capable of taking it off. I think it just applies for the Chaos Champions and the Chosen of the Gods. Especially those followers of Tzneetch, as he is the Chaos God of Change. Possibly his followers won't wear armor and will grow shells and scales etc... I hope to see some strange designs for the followers of Slaanesh to make them stand out, as they are probably the most twisted mentally deranged followers of the Ruinous Powers. Khorne's followers following, with brutality and deranged anger. Hopefully all these cosmetics that come with this armor wont just be for show. I want to see giant spiked arms gashing open enemy torsos, impaling enemy upon enemy. I think warpstone will also play a major part in the armor.

[Nerror]

It would make sense to limit the colors one could choose from depending on what side you're on, like no pink for destruction please!

It's Tzeentch! Pink is one of his favourite colors! Hence his Pink Horrors! I want an all pink Chosen myself. Like my armsman in DAoC (http://home1.stofanet.dk/mmorpgnut/prettyinpink.html).

[EngraDeathsword]

It's Tzeentch! Pink is one of his favourite colors! Hence his Pink Horrors! I want an all pink Chosen myself. Like my armsman in DAoC (http://home1.stofanet.dk/mmorpgnut/prettyinpink.html).

Hahaha, I love the song!:D

[Ethandril]

It's Tzeentch! Pink is one of his favourite colors! Hence his Pink Horrors! I want an all pink Chosen myself. Like my armsman in DAoC (http://home1.stofanet.dk/mmorpgnut/prettyinpink.html).

Hm, isn't pink the colour of Slaanesh? ;)

[Immortalis]

Yeah, there's this pretty cool slaanesh regiment from WH40k that's pink and black and bad . Apparently during the horus heresy while all the other chaos legions were off fighting the space marines, they were hanging out in this city torturing civilians. I just don't want to see players color their armor entirely bright pink, like how some players do it in DoW.

Concerning chaos armor, I think we'll be able to at least have the option to hide our helms, even if we can't take off anything else.

[Arstoan Demacus]

What I belive when it comes to the standard armour of the chaos warrior is that your armour is able to be taken of but as a warrior of chaos the dosn't take off their armour so easily I belive.

But the Chosen armour as I belive we are talking about now, would make you able to take of the helm what I belive. But ofcourse as said we will not start with a champions helm and I must say, if I remember right nothing is said in the fluff about the helm getting stuck with the body since the chosen armour involves making it you skin. I belive to become a champion you don't need to be just a warrior, you could for sure be a marauder. Depending on their goal.

Ofcourse, everything I might say might not be correct to 100%

[Waynolt]

You know, you don't start the game with The Chaos Armor that is fused to your skin.
Because then you would be Chaos Champion. Think of Chaos Chosen as a Jedi Padawan.

[xeon]

it just wouldnt make sense if chosen couldnt take off their armor. fluff-wise, its ok, but in terms of programming, this would mean drastic changes to the whole class (in terms of programming) hierarchy. but then again, there are magi who cant get off of their discs...ah well, nevermind. we'll see the result in less than one year ;)

[Immortalis]

Rgr stupid chaos magi and their superglue accidents.

[Bropps85]

Ok. fluffwise, Chaos CHOSEN not chaos warriors have chaos armor and cannot remove it. A chaos champion is not necessarily a chosen so some champions could remove it unless they were chosen champions.

Also, please note that chaos is not evil incarnate its obsession incarnate. Khorne is not evil for evil's sake he is evil because he loves battle to the point of obsession, he is like an orc that never tires never slows and lives only to slaughter anyone in front of him. Slaanesh is not evil for evil's sake, he is evil because he is obsessed with sensation, pain and pleasure causing and receiving to the point where nothing else matters besides the pursuit of that. Tzeentch is evil because of his pursuit of knowledge and change regardless of the consequences to those around him and Nurgle is evil because of his love for disease and the death and rot it spreads.

Chaos undivided is not just evil for evil's sake either they just cannot decide what they love more, change battle pleasure or rot so they worship all in equality.

They chose Tzeentch because the colors are complimentary it allows for mages and healers and provides a cohesive theme. He is not an orderly chaos god, his followers are as likely to grow an extra arm or beak as any of the other gods if not more so considering he is the changer of ways. He is also not that beautiful considering change is beauty to him so symetry, order, and other traditional gauges of aesthetics don't matter to him like they might to a chosen of slaanesh.

I don't know how this will work in game but its possible that they will be quite faithful in their reproduction.

[Immortalis]

Hmm, really? If what you're saying is true, Chosen will start off with Chaos armor from the start. Yay. No half-naked hairy men with a metal plate stuck to their chests for me.

[Waynolt]

Seriously, you guys just can't see a difference between Chaos Chosen and a Chaos Champion.

[Bropps85]

Ok, to elaborate I will try to explain the differences between a chaos chosen and a chaos warrior.

In TT there are certain levels of chaos dedication and a clear progression. At birth, the vast majority of chaos warriors / chosen are simple norse tribesmen. Their tribe may or may not be dedicated to a certain chaos god, or just chaos undivided. As they grow they learn to fight and scavenge what arms they can and gird themselves in leather and furs and march to battle as Mauraders (note these marauders are slightly different then current marauders) TT marauders are basically a normal human, same stats as any empire grunt except they are slightly more skilled with their weapons because they live or die by the sword and every moment of their lives depends on their skill.

Now about 90% of all mauraders get killed... Sorry, sad fact, you lather yourself up in blood and animal guts and throw yourself headlong into the toughest enemies you can find (including rival tribes) wearing no armor with no supernatural protection you cant expect to always come out on top. The few that survive eventually come to a point where they have killed enough enemies to have gathered a motley assortment of heavy armor and a decent weapon that they strap to themselves and form up into more organized regiments as chaos warriors. They have fought long enough and absorbed enough chaos energy to be physically stronger and harder to injure than an average human as well as being better drilled so that they are affected by psychological attacks much less (i.e. less likely to fear their enemies, flee after losing combat, or disobey orders)

Many children of chaos die at this point, their survival rate is much better then your average marauder considering their better armor and tactics but it is a hard life and many will be slaughtered. The ones who survive though eventually reach a point where they are noticed by one or more of the chaos gods. If our warrior was born in a tribe dedicated to a certain god it is entirely possible he will have spent his career trying to attract that gods attention, if that god actually notices him he will be more then happy to become his chosen. If our champion came from a less faithful tribe or a tribe that worships all aspects of the chaos gods equally it is possible that more than one god will show interest and our warrior must either choose a god and risk the disfavor of the god(s) he shuns or become a chosen of chaos undivided and be blessed in a lesser amount by all four chaos gods. Whatever the outcome, the warrior becomes a chosen, in a ceremony known only to those have undergone it he straps on his Chaos Armor and it is literally melted onto his flesh fusing with his body and heightening his skills to a supernatural level as well as reassuring himself further in his choice of lifestyle.

This point is the point we are interested in, this is where you enter the game, your character has already slaughtered thousands if not tens of thousands of infidels and rivals and has been tapped by tzeentch. The lord of change is impressed enough to invest a tiny bit of his own favor on you and will be watching your actions closely until you die or earn further reward.

If anyone is interested in what would happen next, basically if you survive eventually (usually after decades of service) will show enough potential to lead your regiment as a chosen champion. If your regiment does well you may grow and grow until you are a warband of a few regiments with maybe even some demons marauders or mounted knights joining you. Once you are a leader of your regiment, you have become even stronger and tougher, to the point where you can shrug off one wound that would prove lethal to a lesser enemy without falling, at this point you are an Exalted champion and have probably found a few magical items or earned "gifts" from your patron god. If your warband slaughters enough people you will grow slowly until you have reached a full army. At this point you are a true Chaos Lord, the nearest a mortal can come to being a god and still be considered mortal. Able to scythe down regiments with minimal effort and imbued with multiple gifts from your patron and weapons and items of unimaginable power at your disposal. If you army kills enough enemies (in the millions) over the course of a few centuries and you manage to hold together some small bit of your sanity in light of the "gifts" you have been granted you will eventually be elevated beyond mortality. Leaving your belongings, your armor, even your flesh behind you transform into a pure creature of the warp, a living embodiment of the element(s) of chaos you serve, a Daemon Prince.

I'm sorry for spelling or grammatical error's I am honestly just too lazy to proof read this entire thing, and I am sorry for rambling but I just realized how few people probably understand the actual process a chaos chosen goes through before and after being chosen.

[Immortalis]

That post really cleared up a lot for me. Thanks, Bropps.

[Drokk]

Quick question that has most likely already been answered in this massive thread (which I don't have time to completely read through). I loved the Warhammer cinematic trailer, and especially the huge Chaos guy at the end part. Has Mythic stated if that armor set he's wearing will be in-game? It looks absolutely awesome. Also, I notice he's wielding a mace and an axe. Yet in a video Paul states they'll wield big swords. Has there been any official word on what kind of weapons chosen can wield?

Thanks! (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/success)

[Bropps85]

As for the armor, short answer : yes

We don't know if it will look exactly like that. Also keep in mind each character will be tailored infinately to the player i.e. with the trophies and mutations you have accrued.

[Khet]

Coming kind of a bit late in the thread but the way I see it is the armor will be sort of like this.

You'll start off with rather dull, plain looking armor. However as you collect better armor and get more power you get more spikes and evil looking things added to your armor.

(Short post cause I'm really tired right now)

[Smccrum]

Wow, that post really, really explained the concept to me a lot better, thanks Bropps. Got any more fluff you could explain? Hehe.

[Bropps85]

Well I find myself explaining fluff in a few different threads so to save time I'm going to consolidate it into a Q and A thread for the TT players to help explain things, look for it in the general threads.

[StealthStalker]

I like turtles.

[Kurgash]

the guy talking about chaos warriors and how they are created is completely off in regards to scraps of armor found and how marauders become warriors.

[bart2o]

it just wouldnt make sense if chosen couldnt take off their armor. fluff-wise, its ok, but in terms of programming, this would mean drastic changes to the whole class (in terms of programming) hierarchy. but then again, there are magi who cant get off of their discs...ah well, nevermind. we'll see the result in less than one year :wink:well... as a chosen you could collect mutations, or grind favors from the gods or something :P that doesnt necessarily have to revolve around gathering pieces of armor, especially that chosen should be the ones mutated more likely than marauders.

[Alie]

Two years, four months and sixteen days - is that a new necro record for this forum?

[bart2o]

it was on the first page i swear! QQ

[Zognob]

Old thread is old...

Filthy necros :/