Chaos weapons

[Ye olde Kharn]

will Chaos have accesss to items from just the changer or will we get an assortment of different kinds like filth maces and axes of khorne?

[MachiavelliDisciple]

will Chaos have accesss to items from just the changer or will we get an assortment of different kinds like filth maces and axes of khorne?

I should imagine we won't be seeing weapons peculiar to one god in the hands of another. I mean, the chaos gods and their followers aren't exactly on good terms.

[freeid]

I disagree, you kill a follower of one of the other gods whats to say they dont drop apropreate loot for who they are, same goes for all the other npc factions in the game.

[Axxar]

From the description of the Chosen it appears they will be using two-handed swords as standard. But this may just mean that you start out with a sword. It would make sense if you could use other weapons and pick the one you favor (or simply pick up anything that's an upgrade). Personally I'm into swords, though.

[Nykus]

From the description of the Chosen it appears they will be using two-handed swords as standard. But this may just mean that you start out with a sword. It would make sense if you could use other weapons and pick the one you favor (or simply pick up anything that's an upgrade). Personally I'm into swords, though.

May be its just me, but I never found swords to fit chaos warriors very well, they just aren't, well, "chaosish" enough. Maces, really big flails or two handed Axes fit way better in my opinion.

[Vash108]

Chainsword plz! KTHNX.

I hope they have a few of these devilish weapons in the game I do so like how they look and work. Plus not to mention they would be fun to use.

[Gharunkal]

You know, chainsaws aren't that impossible at all... back in the grim old edition, Chaos Players could summon Chaos Space Marines

link: http://uk.games-workshop.com/chaosspacemarines/chaosspacemarineshome/images/chaos-space-marines-codex-cover.gif

Though, I don't think that's possible in this game... or would it be? It would rock, but the editions have changed too much that this isn't possible anymore (due to me exploiting and summoning The Thousand Sons all the time...)

[Ralzar]

You know, chainsaws aren't that impossible at all... back in the grim old edition, Chaos Players could summon Chaos Space Marines


In the Liber Chaotica, there is a section describing chaotic weapons. One of them is described as a "screaming sword", the illustration and description clrearly shows it's a chainsword :D

[Vash108]

Yes they had Chainswords in the Fantasy based WH. They were Magical and would lust for blood and scream when unsatisfied.

Edit: The liber calls them Chainswords as well ;)

[Nerror]

May be its just me, but I never found swords to fit chaos warriors very well, they just aren't, well, "chaosish" enough. Maces, really big flails or two handed Axes fit way better in my opinion.

Remember that Tzeentch armies aren't a bunch of brute berserkers (like Khorne). They like to execute complex formations, strategies and tactics and will likely use the weapons that best accomplishes that. Any and all weapon-types are possible with Tzeentch. They fight intelligently, and even losing a battle may be according to some grand scheme by the Changer of Ways.

[Drunkenmaster]

Agreed, While a big mace to crush someones skull with is very fun it's more Khorne. I do belive that we wont have restrictions to certain weapons however (outside standard class restrictions ofcourse)

Khorne -> Germanic barbarian fighting style

Tzeentch -> Roman legion fighting style

[Axxar]

May be its just me, but I never found swords to fit chaos warriors very well, they just aren't, well, "chaosish" enough. Maces, really big flails or two handed Axes fit way better in my opinion.Depends. I've seen some pretty nasty looking swords that would definetly qualify for being chaosish :D

[Ruinx]

Khorne -> Germanic barbarian fighting style

Tzeentch -> Roman legion fighting style

Ummm, where are you getting this?

It's not in any of the official books, there the Champions of Chaos all fight in highly aggressive ways, none of them "fight like Roman Legionnaries", hiding behind big shields in tightly-organised formations. They're just more likely to be swinging swords than axes. I've certainly seen Tzeentchian champions with two-handed axes and hammers, though.

Fighting intelligently is not the same as fighting like the Roman Legions, and Knorne's Bererkers are not that disorganised, either, after all, they fight in formation, NOT in skirmish mode (unlike Germanic barbarians, who were strictly skirmishers).

[Disciple]

based on codex etc i think we can expect to see 1h 2h maces, 1h 2h axes, 2h swords ( every picture ive sever seen with a sheild the barer had a 1h mace or axe) perhaps some pole arms, whips.

and who knows maybe the armor could function as part of the weapons too..like shoulder raming or head buts...id imagine that to hurt with all the spikieness and horns.

[Drunkenmaster]

Ummm, where are you getting this?

It's not in any of the official books, there the Champions of Chaos all fight in highly aggressive ways, none of them "fight like Roman Legionnaries", hiding behind big shields in tightly-organised formations. They're just more likely to be swinging swords than axes. I've certainly seen Tzeentchian champions with two-handed axes and hammers, though.

Fighting intelligently is not the same as fighting like the Roman Legions, and Knorne's Bererkers are not that disorganised, either, after all, they fight in formation, NOT in skirmish mode (unlike Germanic barbarians, who were strictly skirmishers).

Guess I should have described in more detail what I was getting at, seeing as fighting style can mean alot of things. What I meant was the menatality, warriors of Khorne charging axe over head with the intent of butcher or be butchered, germanic style, where as Tzeentch units would rather use complexed tactics and use equiped most suited to win, ie more "roman" style of combat. Again poor choice of words from my side

[In Sigmar's Name]

In the WaR cinematic the Tzeentch warrior was weilding both a mace and an axe. so probably they will have acess to all kinds of weapons regardless of thegod

[Arijharn]

In the WaR cinematic the Tzeentch warrior was weilding both a mace and an axe. so probably they will have acess to all kinds of weapons regardless of thegod

I agree, but I do think it's unlikely that we'll be able to use the other deities iconic weapons, short of felling a particularly impressive one and taking (and using) it as a trophy.

I also think it's tremendously unlikely that'll be able to use daemonic weapons as well, maybe at expansion, but definitely not release.

[Ralzar]

In the WaR cinematic the Tzeentch warrior was weilding both a mace and an axe. so probably they will have acess to all kinds of weapons regardless of thegod

The Trailer doens't actually represent what will actually be in the game though. Other than "There will be chaos warriors and warrior priests".

[System Shock]

The Trailer doens't actually represent what will actually be in the game though. Other than "There will be chaos warriors and warrior priests".

This is true - but to restrict a skilled warrior to one type of weapon would be awful, limiting, and boring in my opinion. They should have access to the full gamut of melee instruments of death: axes, hammers, maces, polearms, swords. These chaos warriors should also be allowed multiple options and build choices; preferably large two handers, "sword and board"(1h + shield), and dual wielding.

[HNV]

i dont understand why cant they just use all weapons like WOW warriors
mace axe sword are a must and from there you can start adding nicer weapons

[Kraus]

Remember, he was pointing Gods specific weaponaries - not axes and maces in general, which I really doubt would be possible. I expect they'll focus more on the sword aspect since it seems they are stream lining weapons, but never know.

[zenarion]

Why not just allowing them any weapons that are on the minis? The only thing chaos warriors/chosen/marauders don't use are bows and crossbows. Everything else seems to work for them.

[Nerror]

Why not just allowing them any weapons that are on the minis? The only thing chaos warriors/chosen/marauders don't use are bows and crossbows. Everything else seems to work for them.

The tactics of the most common marauder type, the Kurgan, include bows. They use hit and run tactics from horseback, softening the enemy with arrows, before they attack en masse, slaughtering everyone. The tabletop rules don't apply to WAR, if that's where you got it from. Whether or not we'll see bows for Chaos in WAR is anyone's guess of course.

[zenarion]

Yes, of course we will. For balancing purposes. Chaos do use bowmen, but not in WHFB. Ive downloaded the Mordheim rulebooks from their site, and looked through them. Suddenly there is a greater depth to chaos.

[Warboz]

Yes they had Chainswords in the Fantasy based WH. They were Magical and would lust for blood and scream when unsatisfied.

Edit: The liber calls them Chainswords as well ;)

Yeah but that was like 15 years ago! I kind of think that adding chainswords would be bad idea.

[Vash108]

Yeah but that was like 15 years ago! I kind of think that adding chainswords would be bad idea.

Whys that?

[Chilltouch]

Due to the fact the only thing that keeps Chainswords in WHF is a very feeble and pathetic connection between FB and 40k. Let's face it, the entire concept is rubbish and I doubt they will be included in WAR because of one page of material in Liber Chaotica, which is UNOFFICIAL.

[Vash108]

I see it as a VERY chaotic weapon. Its not normal it is something you would expect to find from Chaos. The concept in it self is not natural and just beyond the creation of anyone but a chaos god.

[.Stalker.]

Maybe we can at least expect smth in the shape of a chainsword or some spiked ones.
I don't think they will be included either... They we're maybe a bit strong? Sure, in the higher levels, but imagine a chainsaw on a mid to low armor typed-class... It would just cut through the leather or skin, if you think logically. Sounds too strong

[Naktul]

Having a mechanical chainsword type weapon would simply not fit at all.

The idea of a weapon screaming and screeching for blood and souls however sounds very much like chaos however. Perhaps a sword with gnashing jaws animated on it or the blade being edged with teeth would fit Tzeentch down to the ground.

On the original subject of Chaos Weapons: I would see it as fitting to have Filth Maces. Whips of Pleasure and Axes of Khorne to be in there (along with other daemonically possessed weapons), there is nothing to stop Tzeentch manipulating the devices of his rival gods for his own purpose. Its already been shown that he has used a plague (definitive Nurgle, well aside from the fact it is a changing and not a debilitating plague) to weaken the Empire, who's to say he wouldn't do the same with weapons. Well perhaps not producing the weapons but at least allowing his followers to wield such weapons.

It might also work if a Chaos character were to find such a weapon and hand it in to some representitive to gain reputation or currency as he has been defeating the minions of The Changer of the Way's rival powers. Yes I know i've gone slightly off topic here but I just couldn't stop myself typing.

[Vash108]

Having a mechanical chainsword type weapon would simply not fit at all.


The chainsword show was not mechanical but magical.

[Ralzar]

The chainsword show was not mechanical but magical.

If it's a chainsword it's pretty much mechanical. Sure, it can be powered by magic, but it's still a mechanical device. Otherwise, why call it a chainsword? It's just a sword-shaped chainsaw after all.

[Vail]

I demand DEMAND a cat o nine tails of some sort in one hand and a ichor coated mace in the other. that is all. continue with your chainsword debate.

[Naktul]

The chainsword show was not mechanical but magical.

I probably should have made it clear in my post that I felt a magical chainsword was acceptable.

My Apologies

[Champion of Tzeentch]

I personally don't see why a warrior can't use a weapon of his choice. So what if the weapon is commonly associated with another Chaos God. If the warrior is vanquishing his enemies and doing it in the name of Tzeentch, then I'm sure the God of Change would allow it.

[Notorius]

Best weapon for chaos would be a huge spikey evil dirty bloody mace with guts stringing off the sides.. mauhauhauahuaha

[Gharunkal]

Best weapon for chaos would be a huge spikey evil dirty bloody mace with guts stringing off the sides.. mauhauhauahuaha

I don't think that would be good for the age-rating. By the way: "screeching and screaming for blood" could be seen as a medieval view on a chainsaw. A chainsaw makes a noise and all the people, who don't know the technology behind it could go: "It's daemon-possesed!" While it is just the engine in it. It's like showing a caveman a car. He would think it's an eatable mammal (until he tries and breaks his teeth).

Axes, swords, hammers, all apply to me, if the have symbols of Tzeentch. Otherwise it doesn't matters.

[Cha(freakin)os]

May be its just me, but I never found swords to fit chaos warriors very well, they just aren't, well, "chaosish" enough. Maces, really big flails or two handed Axes fit way better in my opinion.

Same, I think of Chaos Warriors of having things a that cut you and make you fly backwords at the same time. =P Swords don't seem like big knockback weapons, more like just slicing.

[Sluf]

This question may be a bit too technical, but concidering the probable chainsaw, which will feature ingame, is mechanical... What will fuel it? Gasoline?
As far as I have understood, the spikes on the edge of the sword are moving to rip flesh apart.

[Immortalis]

On the other hand, we could have power weapons that ignore armor. :D

Power Fists, anyone?

[Immortalis]

You know, chainsaws aren't that impossible at all... back in the grim old edition, Chaos Players could summon Chaos Space Marines

link: http://uk.games-workshop.com/chaosspacemarines/chaosspacemarineshome/images/chaos-space-marines-codex-cover.gif

Though, I don't think that's possible in this game... or would it be? It would rock, but the editions have changed too much that this isn't possible anymore (due to me exploiting and summoning The Thousand Sons all the time...)

I can imagine summoning a defiler into the middle of empire forces and owning them hard. It would be nice to be that defiler in-game imo.

[Guivert]

This question may be a bit too technical, but concidering the probable chainsaw, which will feature ingame, is mechanical... What will fuel it? Gasoline?
As far as I have understood, the spikes on the edge of the sword are moving to rip flesh apart.

It'd have to be Warp Stone, of course ...

[versuvius]

yeh....and for chaos can they get like, buff potions (warpstone treated weird root for example)