Skull collection and Beheading for trophy?

[ghemml]

Since Chaos is plain evil and corupted, I also understand that Chaos warrior keep of fallen victims head as prized trophies.

Should this be included in Warhammer Online?

[Axxar]

I don't think you will see any acts of decapitation as this would raise the age rating of the game (or so I hear). But that doesn't mean you can't loot trophies or have decorations of that kind.

[Flegler]

Why carry about bits of the weaklings that fall before you? If you please Tzeentch he will grant you an extra head of your own. Or maybe some scales.

[Drunkenmaster]

Collecting skulls is more of a Khorne thing

[IronToe]

yes i want some elf ears instead of skulls please

[Nerror]

As was stated, skulls is a Khorne thing, but I am sure we'll get trophies from the weaklings we slay in some form. What specifically it's going to be is hard to say.

A large majority of the warriors of Tzeentch adopt a style of armor that evokes the appearance of giant insects, crabs or scorpions, and they seem to favor curving, curling designs and elaborate headdresses, with helmet adornments of flowing crests or dramatically sweeping horns. Many have a fascination with odd trinkets and fetishes, be they small chiming bells, twisting bangles and torques, or even tiny cages containing chirping crickets or dancing dragonflies.

[Drunkenmaster]

Whatver it is i'm sure it will be bizzare and totally unexpected, as would be expected dealing with Tzeentch -.-

[ghemml]

I don't really think that skull and head collecting is Khorne thing, I have seen artwork from the Black Library that various fraction from the 4 types of of Chaos Gods also keep Heads and Skulls as trophies.

[Boulvae]

They all got the trophies from their enemies, but Khorne is pretty much all for it all the time. He's the god with the blood and skull fetish, and is infamous for it.

[Kraus]

Nerror isnt Tzeentch more bird then bug focused?

[Ralzar]

Nerror isnt Tzeentch more bird then bug focused?

The part Nerror posted is traight from Liber Chaotica and I tohught much the same when I read it.
However, he's not really all that bird-focused. I think he was more about birds earlier, while now it's really just that his greater deamons are birds and the barbarians worship him as an eagle.
I'm not as up to snuff on the miniature games any more, but have recent Tzeench models had many bird-like features? I have feeling GW has moved a bit away from the bird-fetish. Which I think is good, since none of the other gods have such a specific real-world apralell in looks. I never quite got why Tzeench was bird-related at all. If I was making the look for Tzeenchian I'd make their special thing be that "twistedness". Melted faces, discoloured skin, extra limbs and stuff like that.

Edit: looking at the minitaure gallary, I see that Tzeench no longer have Flamers of Tzeench. Which had bird-beaks. They now have Screamers and Horrors, which both look exactly like what i was talking about. Twisted chotic creatures with next to no basis on real world shapes.

Edit2: Hm, foudn a link to Flamers under the page for the Horrors. Looks liek the FLamers don't have beaks anymore.

[Nerror]

It really seems to be a mix of birds and bugs. His greater demons are birdlike, and have feathers, but 'bizarre' is probably more apt than 'birdlike'. :)

[Jegger]

I think the bird thing probably comes from the tendency for human cultures to associate birds with knowledge, wisdom, secrets, and magic. Consider the wise old owl, Odin's twin raven familiars which sung to him the news of all the events in the world of man, the eagle's all seeing eyes, ad infinitum.

Not surprising that GW is moving toward a more insect based aesthetic though. Insects have always had an otherworldly alien appearance to human sensibility. Their societies and "minds" work in ways which humans have a hard time relating to their own existence. And how many people do you know that aren't scared witless of bugs in some form or another?

As an aside, the association of Tzeentch with insects isn't all that new of a development either. It is mentioned in the Realms of Chaos books that he is lord of birds, winged insects, and all creatures of the skies.

[Godric]

Nerror isnt Tzeentch more bird then bug focused?

He's dumped the bird to go hang with the bee. (badum *crash*)

Anyways I definitely think skull collecting (or some other form of trophy) will be rampant through all races except Orcs. The orc boss does carry troll skulls, but really how many Orcs have the mind set to grab a trophy?

Those of you who can remember, Diablo allowed you to collect ears without any sort of bloody and gory animation (due to the games time and graphics, but its still not needed) so trophies will probably not raise the game to an M rating. Though we must be careful about what they look like in the inventory.

[Witch_Hunter]

I don't think you'll be able to stand above your fallen enemy and remove his head no. But you might be able to do something with the armor customization. Maybe when you kill 100 (1000?) humans/elves/dwarves you'll be able to add the appropriate skull to your armor somewhere.

[Grendal]

There will be trophys to add to your armor, we just don't know what they will be yet. Since the trophies seem at least a little bit to be associated with the racial pairings (orcs with dwarf beards on there armor as example) it would follow that you might have skulls of fallen foes, or things like hands, ears, other bones, or maybe bits of armor. It could be alot of things for a warrior of Tzeentch.

[Kharnath]

Well...if one looks at the decimation of Praag picture, they could notice that both the empire warrior priest and the chaos chosen have skulls on their belts, yet you can also see that they are decorated very differently...i'd imagine that'd be the difference...and in all seriousness it would make sense for skulls to be a trophy to all races...just not always just the skull...

...and speaking of spoils of war, i hope enemy mobs and monsters actually drop the gear they would atcually have like oblivion and not some random item with a patheticly pointless name like "desert pauldrons of the monkey" or something like in WoW...or most mmos...

[Ashbringer]

even though its probably not possible.. it would be awesome! :chaos:

[Krulltak]

Anyways I definitely think skull collecting (or some other form of trophy) will be rampant through all races except Orcs. The orc boss does carry troll skulls, but really how many Orcs have the mind set to grab a trophy?



Hmm? By the sound of things you sound relativly new to the lore. Confusing an orc's simple mindedness for mear stupidity has been the downfall of many an over-confident general:cool: . Orc culture is simple when it comes to understanding what it's main goal is, but complex in it's ways of recognizing, achieving, and rejoicing the win of that goal. Orcs love to fight, and they love to show off trophies to show everyone else what powerful beasts they've killed recently in said fights.


As stated before pvp trophies are defienatly in as a way of showing your the top dawg of your server, although it won't involve actually decapitating an enemy during combat and sticking their head on a trophy stick.

[Black Razor]

I am sure there will be all manor of skulls under customization .. its a very Warhammer thing and even the empire use it (in fact of the game races High Elves are about the only ones that dont). However actually collecting heads? Yeah no ... doubt that will make it in.

[Insomnium138]

Diablo 2 had a really neat idea when it came to PvP, players where able to loot the ear of the slain player and it would sit in you inventory and when you moused over it had the name of the played that you got it from, same idea could be used here.

[Wyrmtongue]

Hmm? By the sound of things you sound relativly new to the lore. Confusing an orc's simple mindedness for mear stupidity has been the downfall of many an over-confident general:cool: . Orc culture is simple when it comes to understanding what it's main goal is, but complex in it's ways of recognizing, achieving, and rejoicing the win of that goal. Orcs love to fight, and they love to show off trophies to show everyone else what powerful beasts they've killed recently in said fights.


As stated before pvp trophies are defienatly in as a way of showing your the top dawg of your server, although it won't involve actually decapitating an enemy during combat and sticking their head on a trophy stick.

And I quote Warlord Gorgutz (yeah I know I know, 40k but still)

"MORE EAD'Z FER ME POINTY STICK!!!"

Oh and they collect beards too.

[versuvius]

They all got the trophies from their enemies, but Khorne is pretty much all for it all the time. He's the god with the blood and skull fetish, and is infamous for it.

i hope you know what a fetish is lol...a sexual need for it or summat

[Black Razor]

i hope you know what a fetish is lol...a sexual need for it or summat

It can also mean any object, idea, etc., eliciting unquestioning reverence, respect, or devotion. Not everything is about sex.

[Huckbuck]

It is true that the bird thing isnt as big now as it was before:


old model:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0201014&orignav=301116


New model:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99069915016&orignav=13

[versuvius]

ey...what does that mean....

[Immortalis]

Skulls for the skull throne of khorne!

I'd love to have a cape of skulls in-game. Imagine fifty skulls or so all chained together to form a cloak, that would be so bad .

[versuvius]

dont use elf skulls....no protection at all...now what you need to do is make threads from black chaos iron and weave that into a cape

[Oak]

Not everything is about sex.

...unfortunately... :) Too bad we're not going to be Slaanesh worshipers, then it would be all about sex.

[Krulltak]

...unfortunately... :) Too bad we're not going to be Slaanesh worshipers, then it would be all about sex.


Or perfecting yourself in the arts.


Not everthing Slaanesh is about sex.

[versuvius]

every thing boils down to that...sex from drugs and pain and everything else no one really wants....freaking dark eldar...*suck* *suck* *BOOM!* that one was chocolate

[Chilltouch]

Not really.

Slaanesh is the God of Pleasure. Humans view the most powerful pleasure as sex, therefore they see the Daemons of Slaanesh as sex-craved maniacs.

If they all thought the most powerful pleasure was... music, then they'd most likely have sound-based attacks.

Humans view pleasure as sex. Therefore, to humans, the embodiment of Slaanesh is a nympho Daemon.

Anyway, I am all for skull collection! However I won't cry over spilt milk when it isn't implemented.

[versuvius]

well i think collecting ears and eyeballs could be optional

[Okri]

I'd rather be able to flay the faces from the heads of my fallen foes and stretch them across my shield or make myself a cape from them.

[versuvius]

or a banner...or a douvet

[teh1337]

I think this idea of trophy collecting has great potential...imagine if you were able to kill another player and (using the common trophy in this discussion) take his skull (or his hand, or ear, or bitz of armour, or...), then you were able to mount that trophy anywhere on your armour. Maybe you have to have certain materials, like an iron spike to mount a skull atop for your pauldrons. But I think these armour changes should be perminent (or rather, if you try to remove a trophy, it will be destroyed) thereby encouraging players to go out and seek more skulls, etc. everytime they get a new piece of armour. Also, I think that when players view your equipment, it should display where your trophies came from (player name, mob type, etc.)...

As one last piece to my rant that probably will not make it into the game ( :( ) it would be really cool if you could use not only skulls, but a player's head (skin and hair in tact)...haha...imagine getting wtfpwn'd in PvP, then running into the same orc choppa on the field of battle and seeing your Dwarfy head mounted on a spike upon his helmet...heh, that'd make for interesting PvP, and definitely spur some real competitive play. You could even have the option if you get revenge to take a trophy from that player, or remove your own head so it was no longer on display...

Man...watch out Mythic...if you don't use this stuff, then mark my words, I will :mrgreen: