Dear Grimgor

[joseph4469]

I look forward to fighting with you on the side of Greenskin.

Sincerely,
Joe

P.S. I still can't beat you in the TT, why must you have a 1+ save and 7 str attack first!

[Ralzar]

Isn't Grimgor a SoC character? And since the SoC never happened in WAR...

[Urgloc_Lifebane]

no, Grimgor was out long before SoC, its just in SoC when his story got expanded. so he should still be out there, killing skaven and dwafs and everything else he can ^^

[Gorblum]

If you want his full name , its Grimgor Ironhide . He's such a great orc character on the table top.

[hogwaller]

Whats an orc gotts ta do to be part of Grimgor's 'Ardboyz?

[Oddeye]

Needs more Necksnappa!

[versuvius]

needs more waaaagh!

[Krulltak]

Move over Grimgore. Grumlock is bigga den even you!

[hogwaller]

NO one bigga dan Grimgor he neva not won before and stil aint been beat.

[Krulltak]

Krom...The Conqueror............oddly enough, did not beat him, but Grimgore did retreat, which is rare for an orc to do, and when it does happen it means somthing bad is definatley going down.

[hogwaller]

the only reason Grimgor retreated was because his boys left, and its not like he ran he walked away. That battle was only the begininng of a massive WAAAGH!!

[luy22]

For those who know not of Grimgor...

http://uk.games-workshop.com/orcsandgoblins/grimgor/1/

;)

There ya go! :D

[mouldylock]

yeah den grimgor came back for revenge and smacked Archeon upside da' ead with a headbutt in his face!!!!:twisted:
ORCS IS BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Instant_Karma]

Hahaha, now if only we can get the orcs to do that against Chaos in WAR, I'd love to see a Black Orc head but a Chaos Chosen in the middle of a fight and all hell break lose...and my money would be on the orcs winning too.

[Snorri]

Grimgor has the power to rival Gork AND Mork!!!
'e iz da greenest an' da meanest.

Grimgor Ironhide is too big ta be beat!!


WAAAAAGGGHHH

[versuvius]

what sort of talk is that for a dwarf...grimgor, like all other beings can be toppled by a well aimed kick....

[Krulltak]

what sort of talk is that for a dwarf...grimgor, like all other beings can be toppled by a well aimed kick....


http://arnoldwrong.ytmnd.com/

Grimgor iz da biggest, da greenest, da strongest, and da toughest! No stuntie can stop em, and needer can dem stinkin chaos boyz. Archyon taught 'e was tuff, but 'e won't as tuff as Grimgor!

[Ashnari Doomsong]

Indeed. I have observed few beings so inherently badass in any setting as Grimgor is. His sheer orcyness is enough to make man, elf and dwarf quail as they face him.

However, I don't see him bowing down to some ordinary Orc warboss, even if he DID have a magical trinket.

[versuvius]

he can be killed by a good black powder rocket...

[Krulltak]

he can be killed by a good black powder rocket...


No, not really, as the rocket will impact less than 25% of his massive body.

[Ashnari Doomsong]

Not to mention that, unless they've cocked up even MORE than I thought they had on the fluff in this game, the Dawi Zharr are the ones who have more or less perfected battlefield rockets. The Imperial ones are wildly inaccurate.

[versuvius]

im an insane dwarf engineer...you think id make something as crappy as one of those imperial pea shooters

[Ashnari Doomsong]

I think you'd be drummed out of the guild for excessive innovativeness, proceeding to which you'd be forced to take the Slayer Oath or go work as a wetback for the Empire.

[versuvius]

look cus of certain innovations iv taken the slayer oath 15 times...i ait stopping now...in fact iv invented a machine that will automatically remove my hair for the oath and re attach it! LOOP HOLE

[Ashnari Doomsong]

So, you've been actively seeking your doom for the rest of your life... fifteen times over? I'm surprised you have the time to eat and sleep, let alone tinker on technology that is way past the grasp of anybody in this world.

[versuvius]

actually i am doing...the risk of dying rom my own weapons fills in all requirements for active death

[Ashnari Doomsong]

Nnno. Active death requires you to run around chasing after the biggest, baddest critters you can find. I dunno about you, but being killed by a malfunctional weapon doesn't seem like a very glorious death, no?

[versuvius]

that depends... going up in a hige ball of flames and metal looks damned good to any one whos watching besides i do activley seek our bad critters, i need to test weapons somehow

[Gharunkal]

Malakai Makaisson is a Dwarfen Slayer and active engineer, but considering he goes actually chase big stuff (although with his own invented weaponry). Besides, it would by shoddy craftmanship if the Dwarf dies by his own weapons, deliberately making him more shameful than less. In fact, he insults Dwarfkin by being a bad crafter, which is not the reputation of the Dwarfs.

Grimgor subjective to any other Orc? I bet if he fought the Warboss in this game, he would crush that one's skull with a click of his fingers. Nonetheless, it could be doubtfull he'd make it to the game: familiar names are in it, but it is unsure when the game is set in, in which timeline. It might be even set in the time Grimgor is still a runt (though that seems unlikely)... we don't know yet.

[Snorri]

what sort of talk is that for a dwarf...grimgor, like all other beings can be toppled by a well aimed kick....

"You of all creatures wandering around on this world, beardling, should not question my dwarfhood. All dwarfs learn never to dig a hole so deep that they cannot climb out of it, you are on the verge of forging your own grave. Do not accuse dwarfs with longer and fuller beards than yourself with idiotic taunts. You have taken many shameful actions during your short time upon the mountains, Zaki."

Anyway I was speaking from my point of view, not my dwarfy point of view. ;) Orcs are a great race! and Grimgor is a tough nut to be sure. He is a tremndous character and a mean killing machine.

And the idea of slayerdom is that you die in an honourable fashion against powerful foes of the dwarfen race. Not blown up by a bit of metal.

"And last I heard, you wished to test your poorly constructed weapons on fellow dwarfs... kinslayer."

[versuvius]

onlt thos who deserved it...theives for one..im expanding to elves!

[hogwaller]

i think it would be a good chance grimgor would be in the game, when he was there huge armies of chaos and orcs pushed on the empire of men

[Krulltak]

Realize that Grumlock is taller than even a giant, and thus is obviously more powerful than Grimmy.

[mouldylock]

pfft I doubt grimgor could give a f*** he's the friggin orc jesus, gork and mork in living form!! grimgor would show him whoose boss... err..... GRIMGOR IZ BEST!!!!!
prob only got dat big cuz he's surrounded by a load of snots:p

[versuvius]

once again yeh all fail to see a well aimed rocket or bomb would turn im into a charred clump...i speak from expirience...thatvhigh elf council of elders didnt know what hit em...or actually they did...a dwarf laughing meniacally pointing metal tubes at em...got a lot of stick from the missionaries...OH GODS NOT THE PREACHING! MERCY!

[mouldylock]

once again yeh all fail to see a well aimed rocket or bomb would turn im into a charred clump...i speak from expirience...thatvhigh elf council of elders didnt know what hit em...or actually they did...a dwarf laughing meniacally pointing metal tubes at em...got a lot of stick from the missionaries...OH GODS NOT THE PREACHING! MERCY!
he would most likley rush forward and headbutt the rocket and laugh, or catch it in his teeth (possibly to his own perill but he is THAT ARD-so solid)

[versuvius]

hah...i can see the greatest orc warlord doing somethinf to rival my own stupidity...of course flying jellyfish vs ninjas would be even better

[Timanous]

Yeah so lucky the orcs are bickery and undisciplined that they attacked Archaon. Lucky for the empire

[versuvius]

aye...rofl

[Krulltak]

Yeah so lucky the orcs are bickery and undisciplined that they attacked Archaon. Lucky for the empire

Damn Straight. Emps woulda got owned if ol' Grimgor didn't kick Archaon's .

[joseph4469]

Hmm, how did such a simple little post become such a huge chat?

I LOVE IT! o and grimgor can beat any orc, doesn't matter who it is, from a TT point of view.

[Krulltak]

Yet oddly enough from a TT perspective Karl Franz can beat Grimgor. They really need to retcon a couple of things.

[versuvius]

grimgor is a sissy elf like all you other bogies!

[Smachaz]

grimgor is a sissy elf like all you other bogies!

heh, what does that make the dwarfs then? A respectable Dwarf knows how to honor a powerful ennemy.

[Krulltak]

The same thing with orcs Smachaz, the only thing is neither orcs nor dwarfs admit the other is powerful, no matter how much they know it to be true.

[Smachaz]

The same thing with orcs Smachaz, the only thing is neither orcs nor dwarfs admit the other is powerful, no matter how much they know it to be true.

Meh, maybe it was just a stereotype, but i was under the impression the Dwarfs were the type to exaggerate an enemies feats to make it more glorious when they slay him.

'Cause i mean how many Dwarfs has he slain? Saying hes weaker then an Elf is an insult to the dead Dwarfs who gave there lives fighting this foe.

[Krulltak]

I wonder......was Azhag the Slaughterer more powerful than Grimgor? I know Grimgor is a black orc, but Azhad was said to kill a hell of alot of dudes, possibly even more than Grimmy. Not to mention Azhag's magic crown and wyvern.

[Smachaz]

I wonder......was Azhag the Slaughterer more powerful than Grimgor? I know Grimgor is a black orc, but Azhad was said to kill a hell of alot of dudes, possibly even more than Grimmy. Not to mention Azhag's magic crown and wyvern.

Emm i don't think so. Maybe second best though, Grimgor also had a magic Axe and a Armor made of Deamon Blood. And he killed ALOT of people. IT might be possible i guess though. but Azhag is introduced as ''One of the most dangerous..''.

[joseph4469]

skinks > dwarfs, they just run circles around you :P

Karl Fronz can't beat grimgor, he'll lose everytime even if he rolls 1's.

[hogwaller]

Azhag is no where near as strong as Grimgor. Grimgor has never been defeated by any one anywhere, but Azhag was beat back by lil umies, thats no Grimgor if u ask me

[versuvius]

WAAAAAAAAAAGH!! grimgors pic looks awsome http://uk.games-workshop.com/orcsandgoblins/grimgor/images/toppic.jpg

[Joona]

WAAAAAAAAAAGH!! grimgors pic looks awsome http://uk.games-workshop.com/orcsandgoblins/grimgor/images/toppic.jpg

Aye its pretty neat but in my opinion the artist is forgetting how great Grimgor's axe Gitsnik is. I mean, that axe looks pretty basic in that pic.

[versuvius]

good point...still the grimgor pic itself is awsome

[hogwaller]

ok the axe is a little bland on that pic but its freaking Grimgor

[Memnos]

Azhag is no where near as strong as Grimgor. Grimgor has never been defeated by any one anywhere, but Azhag was beat back by lil umies, thats no Grimgor if u ask me

Well, actually Crom managed to beat ol' Grimgor's army. Their personal fight resulted in Grimgor's first 'Not win'.

Yes, Grimgor is physically the toughest of all Orcs. Azhag is the scariest. Grom the Paunch is the most successful(And he's a Goblin: A goblin who not only whupped the Empire, but invaded freakin' ULTHUAN!) and Skarsnik is the smartest. Is there anyone who could defeat Grimgor in a physical fight?

Bloodthirsters. It's pretty much what they do.

[Krulltak]

Well, actually Crom managed to beat ol' Grimgor's army. Their personal fight resulted in Grimgor's first 'Not win'.

Yes, Grimgor is physically the toughest of all Orcs. Azhag is the scariest. Grom the Paunch is the most successful(And he's a Goblin: A goblin who not only whupped the Empire, but invaded freakin' ULTHUAN!) and Skarsnik is the smartest. Is there anyone who could defeat Grimgor in a physical fight?

Bloodthirsters. It's pretty much what they do.


Bloodthirsters kick anyone in a physical fight. Also, Dragon Ogre Shaggoths, or even just plain dragons or Ogre Lords, are some things which I'm pretty sure can kick ol' Grimmy's arse.

Also, he was stronger when he -slapped Archaon then when he was fighting Crom.

[Steel*Faith]

"Grimgor's Orcs drove deeper and deeper into the vermin-infested tunnels, coming close to the heart of the clan's underground kingdom. In desperation, Throt sent forth dozens of his mutated Rat Ogres, massive hulking monsters mutated by experiments into a mass of muscle and razor-sharp claws. At first the frenzied attacks of these huge beasts took the Black Orcs by surprise and they succeeded in driving back Grimgor's force. As the Skaven pressed home the attack, it was Grimgor alone who stood defiant. Despite his Black Orc guard fleeing back towards the safety of their caverns, Grimgor stubbornly held his ground, blocking the passageway. The first Rat Ogre leapt at Grimgor, who brought down his axe on the monster's skull killing it instantly. A second was cleaved in two by his magical axe, followed soon by a third. The passageway was narrow and the size and bulk of the Rat Ogres prevented them from using their numbers against the Orc Warlord. Hours later, Grimgor returned back to his camp having dispatched over a dozen of the strongest monsters that Clan Moulder could throw at him. There is little doubt that Grimgor could have continued his attacks and delivered a crushing blow right at the heart of Clan Moulder's lair, but Grimgor had grown bored of killing Skaven. Having single-handedly fought off their strongest warriors, they no longer provided him with a challenge, and so it was that he and his tribe left the confines of Karak Ungor to venture out into the world in search of fresh conquest."

Bwhaha destruction! WAAAAGH!Grimgor Iz Da Best!

[Steel*Faith]

By the way Kulltrak, Size doesn't make a hero great necessarily.

Grimgor Iz Da best, even grumlok can't compare. One cleave to the head with Grimgor's axe Gitsnik would drop him, sorry.

I'm sorry I don't think anything can't beat Grimgor in a physical fight, not even a Blood thirster. You can say otherwise, but it's highly doubtful considering all the enemies Grimgor has beat single handedly.

The Story bit I posted above is really impressive by itself. 12 of the most, powerful rat ogres single handedly killed by Grimgor? Yea that's just one of the impressive feats of Da Warboss Ironhide.

[NoneSuch]

Sorry Black but however good Grimgore Is he's be anhilated by a bloodthirster.

In reality Greater deamons can actually take down entire armies , it's just they aren't that great on the TT for balance reasons.

And I don't trust any stories which use the term - " Magical axe"

I personally think Grimgore suffers from the Felix and gotrek Complex , The " He can't be beat by anything" type thing . Do remember Grimgore isn't going about and taking on all these armies by himself (=

[Steel*Faith]

No he's not, but he's taking out some very powerful characters, and facing some very tough battles by himself at times.

Think what you want, I still think Grimgor could kill a Blood thirster. No way to to prove or disprove that really, so it comes down to opinion.

[NoneSuch]

Aye it is all opinion.

It's just in my opinion I really don't think anything in the warhammer world one on one could defeat a blood thirster in one on one combat.

[Memnos]

No he's not, but he's taking out some very powerful characters, and facing some very tough battles by himself at times.

Think what you want, I still think Grimgor could kill a Blood thirster. No way to to prove or disprove that really, so it comes down to opinion.

Actually, there -is- a way to prove/disprove it: Mathematics. YAY!

Let's give Grimgor his 7 attacks, hitting on 4s and rerolling: That's 5.25 hits. It hits at strength 7, versus toughness 6: 2/3rds wound. That's 3.166 wounds, on average. Now, let's take a standard Bloodthirster instead of a Daemonic Legion Bloodthirster. He gets no save.

The Bloodthirster strikes back with 10 WS, 8 attacks. 5.66 hits, 4.95 wounds with almost 6 dice looking for that killing blow. Thankfully, Grimgor has a 1+ save, modified to 6+ due to strength 8. Because of that, he takes a little over 4 wounds and dies.

So, basically, if Grimgor charged a flying Bloodthirster, Grimgor would get whupped in a single round. Sure, it's theoretically possible that Grimgor could beat him. Of course, it's also theoretically possible for Pee Wee Herman to be ripped through time, space and reality to the world of Warhammer and violate Grimgor like a schoolgirl in a biker bar. It's just not -likely-.

Math is our friend.

[NoneSuch]

Actually table top arguements are pointless , as tabletop is balanced rather than completetly fitting the Lore.

On the fluff side it's alot more complicated.

[Krulltak]

Actually, there -is- a way to prove/disprove it: Mathematics. YAY!

Let's give Grimgor his 7 attacks, hitting on 4s and rerolling: That's 5.25 hits. It hits at strength 7, versus toughness 6: 2/3rds wound. That's 3.166 wounds, on average. Now, let's take a standard Bloodthirster instead of a Daemonic Legion Bloodthirster. He gets no save.

The Bloodthirster strikes back with 10 WS, 8 attacks. 5.66 hits, 4.95 wounds with almost 6 dice looking for that killing blow. Thankfully, Grimgor has a 1+ save, modified to 6+ due to strength 8. Because of that, he takes a little over 4 wounds and dies.

So, basically, if Grimgor charged a flying Bloodthirster, Grimgor would get whupped in a single round. Sure, it's theoretically possible that Grimgor could beat him. Of course, it's also theoretically possible for Pee Wee Herman to be ripped through time, space and reality to the world of Warhammer and violate Grimgor like a schoolgirl in a biker bar. It's just not -likely-.

Math is our friend.


Tabletop stats are innacurate from the actual lore, but I still think Grimgor can't beat a Bloodthirster in 1v1.

[Memnos]

Actually table top arguements are pointless , as tabletop is balanced rather than completetly fitting the Lore.

On the fluff side it's alot more complicated.

Well, not quite 'pointless'. Since the people who write the stats do so in harmony with the fluff, you can tell that the GW staff and the people who designed the world are saying that Grimgor is not as physically powerful as a Bloodthirster. Yes, arguments can be made on both sides: "Grimgor can fight an army." "A Bloodthirster -is- an army." "Grimgor is one of the greatest fighters in the world." "So is a Bloodthirster."

What it comes down to is that a Bloodthirster is a fifty foot tall monstrousity that strides like a Titan across the battlefield. Grimgor is one of the greatest warriors in the world. -Could- Grimgor in fluff terms beat a Bloodthirster?

Sure. That's what Heroes do. However, I'd like to point out that there is nothing inherently heroic about beating up things when the odds are in your favour. Because of this, Heroes inherently have the odds against them when facing giant monsters. In fluff terms, a Bloodthirster -should- win, but it doesn't mean he will.

[Snorri]

Grimgor Iz Da best, even grumlok can't compare. One cleave to the head with Grimgor's axe Gitsnik would drop him, sorry.



Sorry, but this is just a silly statement.

I think Gotrek is total bad . He is one of my favorite Warhammer characters and he kicks total . But just because I've been reading things that make him appear awesome and mighty; it doesn't mean that I can't apply reason. He would be killed by a bloodthrister in 1v1 battle... although we have yet to see Gotrek's new strength in the new books; as apparntly he has aged a lot since then. (Yet Felix seems to be the same age still!!! :p)

A bloodthirster can kick almost anything's arse one on one.
Even the mighty Grimgor. (Another of my fav characters!!)

It is not about personal opinion, it is just about logical reasoning.
Grimgor is a bloodthirsty hero, we all love his insane and effective ferocity, and therefore it is hard to believe that anything could topple him.
But there are many vile creatures in the world of Warhammer, foul creatures. And I am afraid the bloodthirstier is one of those creatures.

It is hard to admit, as we think he rocks, but Grimgor would lose 1v1 with a Greater Daemon of Khorne. You may not want to believe it, but that's just how it ought to be.

But as Memnos said; this is a world of heroes. But it is also a world of grit and death. Anything could happen. Grimgor could be squished, he could put up an epic fight and finally bring the daemon to its end, or they could kill each other.

Realistically and looking at it seriously. The Bloodthirster would win.
But Heroes do have uncanny fates, who knows what would happen?

Gork might bless him with inhuman strength for all we know.

[Krulltak]

Which is what I love about the Warhammer world, Snorri. It isn't the typical uber hero slaughtering thousands of super monsters with a flick of the wrist, with an occasional hostage-scene or slight miss-calculation that the hero gets through in milliseconds. Warhammer is more realistic in the aspect that "What You See Is What You Get".

[Snorri]

Aye I totally agree Krulltak.
None of this rubbish about an individual scraggy manling armed with a toothpick taking on hordes of Ogres and emerging from the battle unscathed. None of this "Oh no, we were fooled and now we have to ride really fast over in that direction to get there in time to save the day - which we inevitably will" trollop.

It is a universe of gritty realism. (Well, as real as a fantasy world can be.)

Every day in the warhammer world, heroes die.

Each side has its victories, each side has its losses, and each side gets one huge death count.

Eveyone and everything is subject to quick, gorey and nasty dooms!! :D Regardless of size, power, or might.
Its a world where anything horrible can happen to absolutely anything within it.

[Gollo]

To me, the thing about Warhammer Books is that it feels more like an Encyclopedia of a fantasy world.. Rather than a story of a hero who saves the day. It's more shaping a world, with different people leading different factions to victories or defeats.

Although the Halflings might be the main aspect of one book, they may be slaughtered. Why? It's not telling you how it could be, or what would be cool... It's telling you how it happens in this world. Why? 'Cause it's realistic, the shaping of a world!

There's no nation in real life that rules FOREVER. Eventually everyone will fall. Warhammer seems to entice that rather than make a story about how mr.Elf with his super dagger saves the day by killing off 200 orcs with his trusty friend Stigmil the Dwarf.

Basically to sum up my thoughts, Warhammer is more "Hey, there's this mystical land... A fantasy world. This is how, what and why this would happen. He tries to kill off the hoard of monsters, but he's overwhelmed and in the end dies a valiant death" not "Ok, this is a fantasy land... It'd be cool if he single handedly kills off a hoard of monsters and gets named King!"

Dun' matter how much the book focuses on this character, or how much you liked him. If he tries to kill 60monsters at once just running in guns a blazin' he's gonna get his head smashed in!

[Soulsmith]

Whats an orc gotts ta do to be part of Grimgor's 'Ardboyz?

hur hur uze gotta be 'Ard! hur hur hur

[hogwaller]

Im a huge fan of grimgor but i have to go with the table top math they're not gonna make it where if ure super crazy lucky with grimgor u can win if a bloodthirster can take him down. It is a fact however that no single warrior can take him down. and grimgor didnt technically lose to crom all his boys ran away, and if crom thought he could take him why didnt he try to finish him off when grimgor was all alone?

[joseph4469]

I'm sorry but even though i am the OP, grimgor would lose to a bloodthirster one on one in the tabletop. HOWEVER!!!!!

Point wise, it would be 2!(count them 2) grimgors vs 1 bloodthirster + 100 points for the thirster, or grimgor and his bodyguard. Anyway, if the 2 grimgors don't kill the bloodthirster in the first round, since the bloodthirser has killing blow, that could become 2 very dead grimgors quickly.

The morale of this story is, 2 grimgor's is better than 1.

[Krulltak]

I'm sorry but even though i am the OP, grimgor would lose to a bloodthirster one on one in the tabletop. HOWEVER!!!!!

Point wise, it would be 2!(count them 2) grimgors vs 1 bloodthirster + 100 points for the thirster, or grimgor and his bodyguard. Anyway, if the 2 grimgors don't kill the bloodthirster in the first round, since the bloodthirser has killing blow, that could become 2 very dead grimgors quickly.

The morale of this story is, 2 grimgor's is better than 1.

There is only one Grimgor and he already kicks enough .

He just can't kick a Bloodthirster's .

[versuvius]

course he could! if he got hold of some rune weapon

[Krulltak]

course he could! if he got hold of some rune weapon


True, but then again..........his axe is better than an Elector Count's Runefang I am pretty sure.

[versuvius]

then he would kick a bloodthirsters arse...hehe my bloodthirster an DM was killed by a necron monolith...damned monolith!

[joseph4469]

A bloodthirster would have to take a fear test against grimgor cause he would cause fear greater than terror, possible dread or horror?:shock:

[versuvius]

i think a bloodthirster would break morale from grimgor entirely

[joseph4469]

i think a bloodthirster would break morale from grimgor entirely

never, grimgor is THE american dream.

[Psycojester]

Anybody else think that Grimgor is the Once-and-future Git that the Savage Orc shaman special character is searching for?

[versuvius]

joseph, i meant the bloodthirster would run away screaming

[NoneSuch]

This threads a joke /=

A bloodthirster would tear Grimgor a new one , They're the ultimate in deamonic fighting a single orc would not stand a chance in hell, they'd be crushed. It's not a debate of skill , it's a debate of which one's a thousands of years old ancient evil which can split entire armies under it's blood dripping sword, and serve the God of battle.

Gotrek "slaying" one is a joke , I love The books but they're over the top and suffer from extreme hero complex - they made a joke out of the orcs , and the bloodthirster would of obliterated a single dwarf.

The only possible way I would accept the bloodthirster losing was the warp energies not being strong enough in that area, and it was losing grip on the mortal realm and weakining considerably.

[versuvius]

ok granted it was the runes of unbinding on the axe valek but gotrek was the wielder

[Chilltouch]

My grandmother is more of a Bloodthirster than this:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/newimage.asp?Size=A&Img=213899

However, THIS is more like it!:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Chaos/btp2.jpg

However, even that probably isn't the correct size. These things are meant to be able to kick a hole through castle walls and decapitate towers! They're not meant to be so super whimpy and small.

[versuvius]

well yeh..you try having the proper scaled model..

[joseph4469]

This threads a joke /=

A bloodthirster would tear Grimgor a new one , They're the ultimate in deamonic fighting a single orc would not stand a chance in hell, they'd be crushed. It's not a debate of skill , it's a debate of which one's a thousands of years old ancient evil which can split entire armies under it's blood dripping sword, and serve the God of battle.

Gotrek "slaying" one is a joke , I love The books but they're over the top and suffer from extreme hero complex - they made a joke out of the orcs , and the bloodthirster would of obliterated a single dwarf.

The only possible way I would accept the bloodthirster losing was the warp energies not being strong enough in that area, and it was losing grip on the mortal realm and weakining considerably.

Bloodthirster is exaggerated too much in the books. Just look at what happened to Sauron in the lord of the rings, he was immortal until he stuck his stupid hand, with the ring on it, out to grab the human and got it cut off. Same thing will happen to the bloodthirster if he tries to grab grimgor, he will get messed up.
Look at Mannoroth, he also got messed up by an orc named Grom Hellscream, best voice acting in warcraft 2 btw.

Grimgor once again IS the American Dream and that bloodthirster would run like hell from him.

[Barundin]

Anybody else think that Grimgor is the Once-and-future Git that the Savage Orc shaman special character is searching for?

That shaman has just spent to much time out in the sun IMO.

Besides, in TT terms Thorgrim would kill Grimmy in a single round of combat. And don't tell me that TT isn't following the fluff. Cause if we would just go after what it says in fluff texts, every special character would be one of the strongest fighters in the world.

Grimgor is represented well in the TT IMO. Great statline, but not an uber weapon of doom or a similiar piece of armor.

The strongest character in the warhammer world is Lord kroak.

[inquisitor17]

Anybody else think that Grimgor is the Once-and-future Git that the Savage Orc shaman special character is searching for?
i think this guys got the right idea Grimgor is undefeated and he is the most powerful Black Orc atm so more then likely he is the Once and Future Git(weird how that sounds isnt it?)