Warhammer 7th Edition - Empire

[Grandmaster]

In Jannuary 2007 the new Empire armybook + models will be released :) . New stuff:
http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/empire/catalog/default.htm

Anyone else thinks the Technicus' clockwork horse is silly? (Saber Riders anyone?)
Helstorm Rocket Battery? ... a bit extrem for my taste (even though I have a steamtank myself) The new State Troops who look like they are facing a Chaos army and have wet their pants because of that ... and some don`t even have shoes?

Some nice stuff, but a bit silly on the other hand as well.
(At least it is cheaper nowadays to bild a new army, because most are plastic models now)

What do you think about the Empire army of the 7th edition? :D

[Vikingkingq]

In Jannuary 2007 the new Empire armybook + models will be released :) . New stuff:
http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/empire/catalog/default.htm

Anyone else thinks the Technicus' clockwork horse looks a bit weired? (SableRiders anyone?)
Helstorm Rocket Battery ... a bit extrem for my taste 8even though I have a steamtank myself)? The new State Troops who look like they are facing a Chaos army and have wet their pants because of that ... and some don`t even have shoes?

Some nice stuff, but a bit weired on the other hand as well.
(At least it is cheaper nowadays to bild a new army, because most are plastic models now)

What do you think about the Empire army of the 7th edition? :D

I like the change to plastic - especially the easy adaptibility and the fnacier molding.

- New State Troops are cool, since you can turn them into Swordsmen, Halberdiers, and Spearmen. Ditto with the Handgunners/Crossbowmen, Militia/Archers.
- The Outriders look interesting.
- I miss Valtan.

[Grendal]

Nice I like the new models, on a side note rocket launchers make me happy.

[Flegler]

Robot... horses...

[In Sigmar's Name]

shoeless soldiers...tight pants....noo poofy pants....wth?

[Gabriel]

Omg i'm not an expert of warhammer world,but...
Humans should face orcs and chaos mutants using superior equip and technology,to compensate their phisical weakness (compared to an orc or to a chaos mutant),am i right? Why then poor infantry empire troops are less armored than a orc? :confused: :rolleyes:

[Grandmaster]

I`m just happy that my Empire army does not/will not contain any Empire State Troops ... Knightly Orders (as core choice) for the win :)

The 'no-shoes' part hit me very hard tbh.

[Nerothos]

I hate Hellblaster Volley Guns. Why do I have a feeling that Helblaster Rocket dealies are just going to be Hellblasters with a 60" range? =/

[Witch_Hunter]

I hate them. The stupid robot horse, the rocket launcher, the 'chain guns' it's lame. If I want crap like that I'll play 40k thank you. For warhammer I want it simple.

[Drace]

Oh dear god, I hate it

Plain and simple. A robotic horse??? Im sorry, but this isn't WoW TT with Gnomes building crap, and why the hell is there a volley rocket launcher, and why are some of the drilled, disiplined, and fully equiped state troopers not wearing any boots. Its all damn well crap in my opinion.

On the outriders, they were actually a part of the game in earlier editions, but were scrapped in 6th. And I am so happy Valten is gone, hated him. Hated all the HeroHammer style characters.

Im sorry, but 7th is just 6th with a new cover, and more power bent rules causing people to have certain builds, while degrading the game itself down to the level where the is no fluff/lore to it. They're just in it for the money now and are trying to get as many customers as they can by making it seem cool, and nifty.

[Grandmaster]

These new things will never make it into my army apart from 1-2 Character models.

I think the 6th edition did a nice job with the empire, mixing realism and Fantasy together when it comes to weapons (ok ... steamtank ;)). But this clockwork horse and the Rocketlauncher take it too far.

With the Character models style, they did a step back to the 5th edition, which is not such a bad thing.
But any one noticed the little angel floating around the banner of Ludwig Schwartzhelm? That`s a thing I only know from Warhammer 40k ... doesn`t really fit into Fantasy in my opinion.

[Drace]

Ya I noticed that too, the little cherub. Kinda made me sad, but then again all the high ups in GW were originally the 40k guys, with the fantasy guys not having as much say now, so expect to see more and more 40kesque things in warhammer

Expect Gatling guns (oh wait, ratling guns), bareably killable tanks (oh new steam tanks), Confusion between the two's lores and it muddling up (oh wait, Orcs are now spores, Khaine may be Khorne rather than Morr's brother, and more) Powerfists and 40k weapons (oh ya, the items from Shadow of Albion campaign).

[luy22]

Would LOVE to get a new empire battalion/army/models to replace my old ones, unfortunatly, I'm low on green and for christmas I wanna 360. :P

[Lothario]

lol it looks like the war community has spoken on GW's new Empire models. And damn it...I agree.

What on earth were they thinking?!? State troopers....the first line of the defence for any of the provinces/counties/city states, and they are walking around with less armour than a halfling :(

It just doesn't make sense.

The one half of me doesn't care, I stopped collecting nigh six years ago due to the one too many new models and new editions, but you would think that the models would be a step up.

The handgunners....is it me or do they look like they are wearing tight fitting pvc and should be attending the nearest s&m party near you?

The pistoliers just look kinda...perculiar...for lack of a better word.

Though I gotta say, the warrior priests look fantastic, but that may be me being biased.

[Flegler]

Actually I quite like the new models. The state troopers look fine, it's not unheard of for a soldier to lose his boots. The rocket launcher is in keeping with Warhammer's level of technology, it even used to be available to Chaos Dwarfs.

They do seem to be stepping up the gothic imagery. Lots of skulls and religious paraphernalia. That's ok, I guess.

But goddamnit why'd they have to go and put in something as outright retarded as ROBOT BLOODY HORSES?! Might as well stick flak armour on your halberdiers and call them Imperial Guardsmen.

[Shaggy]

I don't get why the Empire State troops don't have shoes. Shoes are pretty imporant for an army. I wouldn't expect the State troops to be fully decked out in armour since humans can breed pretty fast.

The robot horse looks a tad weird, consirdering everything is still powered by steam.

Warhammer Fantasy is coming more and more steam punk and less fantasy.

[V'raneth]

HAH! The militia have more shoes than the state troops. I don't get where they're trying to go with the Empire.

[KroqGar]

Warhammer Fantasy is coming more and more steam punk and less fantasy.

At least we still have Lizardmen. No technology, let alone steam.

[RedSkullOrk]

I always preferred the Halbrediers from 5th edition, I beleive, with the Chest plate and feather on the helmet. Heres a link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Warhammer-Empire-24-Halberdier-w-Reiksguard-Knight-OOP_W0QQitemZ200037667395QQihZ010QQcategoryZ44129Q QcmdZViewItem
though they arent painted that well, you can see the model themselves. A similar model was also used in the 1992 Milton Bradley Battle Masters game made in conjunction with Games Workshop.

I know the odler models are very static and all identical so dont match the level of models we have currently, but I still prefer the look to the current models. State troops should look uniform, not haggard and barefoot like the current models.

I know regular state troopers dont wear armor anymore and they have moved away from halbreds used in conjuction with shields but I still find the older models far more iconic to the Empire. I feel that the renaissance movement GW seems to be moving in is more fitted to Tilea or Estalia. The empire to me has always been darker, medieval with flaggelants and alchemists etc.

WAAAGGGHHH
RedSkullOrk

[ChaosDreamer]

I love how people try to justify that a robotic horse wasn't a part of our history since the Empire is based off Germany during the Ren. Its called "Fantasy" for a reason people. And for those who say that the rockets dont fit at all, look at china (who Cathy is based off of) and how long ago they developed rockets (off the top of my head, i believe 400ad).

[Jhayden]

People are taking this way too seriously. Who's to say that the engineers havn't begun mixing magic in with the school of engineering? Im sure they'll come up with a good reason for a 'robotic horse'. And can you really call it 'robotic'? Im pretty sure it's just a steam powered horse filled with gears which the master engineer controls perfectly. Sheesh, you people need to calm down a bit.

Soldiers without shoes? There are also soldiers without helmets but no one seems to be complaining, and im pretty sure a giant sheet of metal used to protect your head is a bit more important than a piece of leather protecting your foot for a 2 hour long battle.

[KroqGar]

Yeah, but having no helmet increases visibility and maneouverability of the head. Some soldier prefer to fight that way. Having no shoes is just wrong. Shoes are a basic necessity and something everyone can afford. Not having shoes in a battle is equally important if not moreso than a helmet because not having shoes disables you from running on rocky ground etc.

Overall, the no shoes idea is lame but the robotic horse is something I can't complain about.

[Seldaren]

If you got to the GW's UK site, there is a bit more description. But some of the pics and stuff are still missing... I guess they're still updating the page.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/empire/miniature-gallery/9/

The State Troop page describes each type of unit. Swordsmen, Spearmen and Halberdiers.

And the barefoot thing is probably just an option. Just paint shoes on them if you want to, or don't use that sprue.

Seldaren

[KroqGar]

If you paint them as shoes, then it'll have toes. So they'd be toe shoes. I don't care as I'm not Empire in TT I just think it was lame.

[Seldaren]

If you paint them as shoes, then it'll have toes. So they'd be toe shoes

That's what Green Stuff is for. Shouldn't even take a whiz with Green Stuff to smooth out a bare foot and make it look like a boot.
This coming from someone who has never painted a figure, or used Green Stuff :) . It just doesn't look like it'd be all that difficult.

I will agree with the idea though. Barefoot soldiers is kinda silly.

Seldaren

[ScarletBlade]

I was hoping for a return of foot knights and custom knightly orders. I only have a couple small problems with the new models. The Necron horse, the barefoot trooper and the general who is aprarently the president of the Karl Franz fan club.(he has his name written all over him)

[Grandmaster]

Look at this: http://www.gaelion.com/photos/imp_sold2.jpg

Those are 2 models some guy did for GamesWorkshop in 2005. I quite like their style. Shame they never got released.

[ChaosDreamer]

Look at this: http://www.gaelion.com/photos/imp_sold2.jpg

Those are 2 models some guy did for GamesWorkshop in 2005. I quite like their style. Shame they never got released.

they kinda look like the Reiksguard

[Illya]

Screw all of you, I like my new army. Got it in the mail today, too bad I had to work, or I'd be at home painting now.

Seldaren is right, don't like the bare feet? Use gs. Seriously, you won't be using more than the tiniest pinch to cover up them feet.

I do however, agree on the horse. It's hideous. The outriders are nice, they'll fit in well with my army, which is (no surprise here) led by a witch hunter. Awesomeness. I won't be using those garish colours all Empire players use, no, my men are going in browns, black, with a hint of red here and there. Very dark and gritty. Very Warhammer.

[mouldylock]

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/empire/catalog/Emp_engineer.htm
:D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FD3lmhru3Ik
oh my god!!!!
eyes of the hawk!
ears of the wolf!
strength of the bear!
speed of the puma!!
BRAVESTARR:twisted:

[checkthis5000]

AFter thumbing through a lot of the classic empire miniatures, I just can't understand why they're backing off from having specific knights/mages, to having general mages.

To me it's lessening the lore. I mean when you just have Battle Mages instead of the various schools of mages, each with their distinct look and spells, it just seems like backsliding.

Same with the knights. Now you just have "Knightly Order" when you used to have Knights Panther, Knights of the Blazing Sun, etc.

I don't get it personally.

However the idea that you buy a single box set for the core troops and you can make either/or sets of troops is really appealing, because I've always wanted to have a lot of extra bits to model scenery and bases with, but I never wanted to buy a box just for that. Having them already in the box set will take away that hassle.

[V'raneth]

@checkthis5000
They've been streamlining and simplifying the rules since 3rd edition at least (when I started playing). That's part of why I don't play anymore. New WH40K rules? bleh! I'd like my overwatch back please.

[Grandmaster]

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/empire/catalog/Emp_engineer.htm
:D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FD3lmhru3Ik
oh my god!!!!
eyes of the hawk!
ears of the wolf!
strength of the bear!
speed of the puma!!
BRAVESTARR:twisted:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VbPHpO5fX38 to be honest

[mouldylock]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VbPHpO5fX38 to be honest
:shock: I must not be old enough I have never seen/heard of saber rider-it has better music with the guitar solo than bravestarr, I'm pretty jealous:( but nothing can beat thunder,Thunder,THUNDERCATS HOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[Coltaine]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VbPHpO5fX38 to be honest



Awww man... I loved that show but I couldn't remember the name of it. Thx a lot :p

[Grandmaster]

So I got my army book last week, and I have to say, the empire got some nice changes (army list) and only few not so nice ones. Anyone else had a look at it yet?

[Vikingkingq]

AFter thumbing through a lot of the classic empire miniatures, I just can't understand why they're backing off from having specific knights/mages, to having general mages.

To me it's lessening the lore. I mean when you just have Battle Mages instead of the various schools of mages, each with their distinct look and spells, it just seems like backsliding.

Same with the knights. Now you just have "Knightly Order" when you used to have Knights Panther, Knights of the Blazing Sun, etc.

I don't get it personally.

However the idea that you buy a single box set for the core troops and you can make either/or sets of troops is really appealing, because I've always wanted to have a lot of extra bits to model scenery and bases with, but I never wanted to buy a box just for that. Having them already in the box set will take away that hassle.

I think the idea is to standardize the base models and then have the players customize things themselves without having to buy all new units. I.E, instead of buying a Knights Panther set then deciding that you really want Templars of Ulric, you just slot in some sprue bits and paint on the right color scheme/coat of arms.

[Smachaz]

hey, what happened to the Native American looking warriors?
...aww well :(

[Krulltak]

hey, what happened to the Native American looking warriors?
...aww well :(


You mean the Chaos barbarians?

[Smachaz]

You mean the Chaos barbarians?

No, im pretty sure it was Empire, i think Knights or something the like, they ere some kind of rare/special or i don't remember unit and had deferent types of models, completely different ones, for the same Unit.

[Krulltak]

I'm pretty sure native Americans didn't have knights. They did however, beleive in animal spirits, and had mauraders like the Norscans.

[Smachaz]

I'm pretty sure native Americans didn't have knights. They did however, beleive in animal spirits, and had mauraders like the Norscans.

Oh, im not talking about an army, i just recall there being an Empire unit (comes alone) that had a big feathery harness and an North American horse...i can't recall him being what type of unit though. He might of been a Heroes and Lords or a Rare unit. Anyways..just saying its sad for that,and i guess there's never gonna be an army based on them, since the Dark Elves probably killed them all when they arrived in the New World.


Edit:Vikingking: nah those look more like Mongolians anyway ;)
But it was just a single unit, which was probably taking out, since he didn't really look Empirerish.

[Vikingkingq]

No, im pretty sure it was Empire, i think Knights or something the like, they ere some kind of rare/special or i don't remember unit and had deferent types of models, completely different ones, for the same Unit.

Kislevites?
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110202122&orignav=13

[RedSkullOrk]

Oh, im not talking about an army, i just recall there being an Empire unit (comes alone) that had a big feathery harness and an North American horse...i can't recall him being what type of unit though. He might of been a Heroes and Lords or a Rare unit. Anyways..just saying its sad for that,and i guess there's never gonna be an army based on them, since the Dark Elves probably killed them all when they arrived in the New World.

Well, the Kislev Winged Lancers (the other poster linked a picture of regular Kislev horsemen) have large feathery harnesses and the only other New World army would be the Amazons, though they only really appeared in Blood Bowl and some Lizardmen Lore. I would agree with the rest of your statement though, it is unlikely there will ever be a Native American themed army originating in the Northern New World area of the Warhammer world due to the Dark Elves residing there.

WAAAGGGHHH
RedSkullOrk

[Kyre]

I agree I really don't like the new "robot" horse, WE can't make proper walking robots yet...
I like most of the other new models though....