If you had the option to choose your Knightly Order ..

[Grandmaster]

... what would you take:

o) The Reiksguard
o) Knights Panther
o) Knights of the White Wolf
o) Knights of the Blazing Sun
o) Other imperial knightly order..

I don`t think I need to explain much here. Only the Knights of the Blazing Sun will make it in the game as playable class (for now?) - but out of curiousity I was wondering, which Knightly Order you would have liked to play. :)

PS.: Or how about the Knights who say 'ni' ? :rolleyes:

[Grandmaster]

Personally I would have probably chosen the Knights of the Blazing Sun anyway, because I like their look. Or the Knights Panther.

(I could never decide, thats why I have a regiment of each of them for the TT :p )

[MageLite]

White Wolf.

Woof.

[Jacktheinedible]

White wolf, i find them the most interesting out of all the imperial orders

[KroqGar]

White Wolf because I'm an Ulrican at heart. Of course, Ulric comes after the Old Ones.

[Spleen]

Reiksguard for me.

[Bigvinuy]

Knights of the Blazing Sun. I read about them in one of my WDs and I was taken with their story. something about being an outsider knight really screams to me.

[Commentaris]

knights of the white wolf are much more iconic for the empire than knights of the blazing sun imo. can;t really understand why they didnt make white wolves instead of the blazing sun really.

[Amelung]

Ok i would choose Reiksguard, but i would be happy if i could see also Blazing Sun or and a also second different order.
So its clear we will have the splendid Knights of the Blazing Sun, but also then i would be glad if the emperor allows some Reiksguard knights (players) to fight against empires enemies here at our war-front :).
White wolf knights are surely also iconic, but those are for my 'imperial' taste to barbaric looking, it fits not to entire empire (only my thought ;))

[Kruez]

Reiksguard, and Knights Panther would be a close second.

Knights of the Blazing Sun would be my *last* choice out of the four listed, actually, since they don't seem very iconic of the Empire to me, seeing as they follow a foreign goddess.

[Illya]

Knights of Mórr, for being so damned cool.

[Willstar]

Prolly, knights of the white wolf.

[XadeemTG]

I would've picked Knights Panther first. Blazing Sun would have been last I think.

[ScarletBlade]

Reiksguard are pretty much the generic knights of the Empire and would fit in best. Its going to be weird to be a follower of Myrmidia sourounded by all those sigmarites.

[Amelung]

Reiksguard are pretty much the generic knights of the Empire and would fit in best. Its going to be weird to be a follower of Myrmidia sourounded by all those sigmarites.
Foreigners between foreigners :( ;)
OK, i think really we will only have one order, and then the KotBS. Sure background history and stories are fantastic, also important, because 'known' for warhammer but if i think about the fact we will be able to play this order what should and must be the next step to make this order really for warhammer empire fans something fine?
Surely most important also 'Sun' knights will have Suns as some heraldic but some individual alternatives during development of any, every level not unimportant. Its really important.
Also sure style must be anytime warhammer, but there i have no single sorrow, all concepts of ME are warhammer style not only looking like ;)
So i post in other threads, possible alternative p.e. helmets with absolutely similar stats, quality, but a 'bit' individual in appearance. Im knowing for warhammer also for 'tabletopmodels' you have the choice for alternative equipment (here especially armour, helmets) without changing stats. So my sights are more on some different equiment than for absolutely free customizing of chars face and 'body' appearance.
Most time i think there will be 'war' and so gear visible equipment should be more in our eyes.

[Nathar]

I didn't vote because I don't really care what I kill. That being said I am confused by their choice. I would've thought that both knights panther and white wolfs (only two I knew, empire never interested me) were more clear choice. I, as stated above, didn't know this order at all and as such I was suprised to see them. Then again they're not THAT different to me (sorry, it's probably like you saying the same about executioners and black guards but it's true) and I won't be making a knight alt anyway.

I don't even know what's typical for this order. I only know them from these screenshots.

EDIT: My vote is Cold One knight!! :p

[quacktar]

Knights of the blazing sun, all the way. It's the only one that makes any sense.

They're the only knightly order with any control over their own destinies.

[spirit]

Knights of Morr. Can you get much better than the knights of death?

[Drace]

Got to agree with the Morr knights. The Raven knights have got to be the coolest of the orders out there

[Kharlene]

lmao Probably the Knights of the White Wolf, not because of anything particular about them, but mostly just out of my fascination of wolves themselves... A stupid reason to be sure and one of ignorance - true, but I don't care... bugger off... :-|

[Bulwyf]

The Templars of Ulric, easily. By far the most interesting and iconic Knightly order.

[Arathan]

The Knights of the White Wolf are definitely iconic... Though more iconic of themselves than of the Empire, and even more so of the Empire Mythic is trying to portray.

[Amelung]

I needed some time to see some advantages for the 'iconic' charsystem. But now its clear its not good to choose one iconic char, but its good every warhammerchar will be as a special iconic type playable. But then its also clear every order of knight is iconic, even every champion and sharpshooter, pistoleer and so on. The question is really more which iconic warhammer possibilities first?
I was and i am against white wolves as 'first' possible chars because they are not typical empire. They are looking like small giants or huger dwarves mixed with some Barbarians, with pelts, most time barehead and volumineous beards. thats really not what i imagine about an 'iconic' knight for the empire. In itself wolves are very iconic sure and as addon also for me fine to play :)

First i was really astonished, they call a special order 'class'? Now i see a really better sight on what is warhammer standing for then many individual choices for one char.
But perhaps they want to add after release really some choices for classes. Factly one order of knights is not a class.
But ok, in warhammer there are specific orders, also specific troop types. How it will be possible for a warhammercomputergame if all players could do what they want like ''ok im knight but i have also a good archer skill!!'' Would not be in any case warhammer. And also not very good we make an own order and call this order 'Refugees of WoW' or something like that with (because its a uptodate game) own designed signs :)
So, i think and i 'believe' ;) our four classes are indeed not four classes, only the beginning of four really now few possibilities, but hopefully well functionable for an early stage of gaming. Its better to design a well functionable game with first fewer choices than a game with hundreds of options but none is functioning....if more possibilities are still in development.
Perhaps after some addons we are really able to choose chars from 'classes' and then the specialisations of one of some warrior-adventurer types, or also different wizards and knights.
But the beginning is the factly small number of '4'. It would be not as small if we would have a more individual development possibility of chars but again, i think its better for warhammerfeeling to present more predesigned chars.
The advantage is really you could implement in a relatively short time many 'iconic' trooptypes, not complex in individual development, more in a wider variable way of really 'known' warhammertypes.
Sure then its a must be to develop often new charpossibilities. And players should have more a look on what they need for different circumstances as chars than i play my knight also we need for a siege only 'launchers'.

But so my sight is what i would see first? KotBS is then for me not a bad choice, one of the best but sure the most common knight would be the Reiksguard and nonone shal tell anyone the Reiksguard is not iconic. They are Reiksguard Knight, nothing else, so as iconic as any other order. Every order in the empire is 'unique' has iconic unique symbols.
And its sure there exist surely also a Reiksguard knight who is able to fight as a single warrior :D not only the KotBS.

I compare such development then more to a game like battleground europe, ww2online. First also few different trooptypes then more and more and all for different circumstances usefull, some after some patches more some fewer after following patches :).

But i think for an iconic charsystem such variabilty of constantely new charimplementation is something still planned by ME. Its more a must.

[Flegler]

Given the choice, I'd probably play a Blazing Sun myself because black and gold armour looks awesome. But iff I had to choose a single Knightly Order to be playable I'd go with the Reiksguard. They're just more... Empire.

[kharnage]

I know it won't be an option, but the White Wolves Rule!!!

[The Death Knight]

Bretonnian.

If I had to pick an Empire one, it'd probably be blazing sun just because I like the idea of having flames engraved into full plate armour.

[Quazar]

I picked Reiksguard but the guards of the King should be an epic class, like slayers maybe. Of course Hammerers are a class. But the White Lions would rock for Elf advanced class. Anyway. The Knights of the Blazing Sun make sense in that they quest on their own. Of course they aren't sigmarites, but that just makes them interesting.

[Avathos]

I am no professional when it comes to the warhammer fantasy world, bt after researching a little a bit of pctures on the web. I think the idea of choosign hte blasing sun is because as the character progresses their armor will get more gold colors. So a level 1 knight will have more mettallic than gold.

The ultimate knight will be like a PIMP THIN MAN with feathers. LOL

[Darlos]

knights of the Blazing Sun just because my Knights on the Tabletop are them (And as will be my General when the new plastic kit is released)

[Instant_Karma]

I'm surprised to find such a shift towards the Knights of the White Wolf. I'm glad I'm not alone.

[Anguloke]

Don't suppose anyone could post up some background to each of the orders?

[Lothario]

If I had to choose, it would definately be Knights Panther.

They are haughty good old fashioned stuck up nobles with a great history behind them, being the oldest knightly order.


Heres a link to the main Empire Knight Chapters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knightly_Orders_(Warhammer)

[Doulos]

White wolf...

But they won't do them cause everyone will have to have a big mean ol' hammer.

Blazing sun are good cause the rieksguard would limit options geographically, they are just too attached to the Emperor, the panther are too "well known", the wolves are Ulric whilst GW is currently Sigmar friendly in empire terms (the 7th ed rules basically making the wolves a total waste of points and totally ruining the cool middenheim list)

Blazing suns are obscure enough to use a variety of war gear happily and flesh out the story of...

As to why the wolves are so damn popular: CAUSE THEY ARE JUST COOLER THAN EVERYONE ELSE.... I mean, would you rather be a poncy noble with a full suit of armour, or a slightly barbaric, beer swilling, war loving, hairy lunatic who rides into battle not even holding the reins cause you are to busy smacking the enemy with a massive hammer... its like saying: "Whats cooler, a dwarf clansman or a slayer?" or "would you rather be a dark elf warrior or an assassin?"

All I can do is hold out for cold one knights, Mr Darkblade and I have a date with destiny.

[Groxzor]

I like the knights of the blazing sun, they seem like more of a mercenary order.

[Veilside]

Knights of Moor (sp??)
They're pretty much awesome, funky black armour to boot. Otherwise i'd choose the knights panther, They've got a good look about 'em and don't worship a false gods like those white wolf pansies :P

[Flegler]

Knights of Moor (sp??)
The Black Guard of Mórr. I always liked these guys, just because it seemed so odd for the god of death and sleep to have knights following him. They wouldn't really fit in WAR without some undead to fight. But hey, have some pictures (http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=14688.0) all the same.

[Veilside]

The Black Guard of Mórr. I always liked these guys, just because it seemed so odd for the god of death and sleep to have knights following him. They wouldn't really fit in WAR without some undead to fight. But hey, have some pictures (http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=14688.0) all the same.

Very nice minis, i'm suere there'll be lots of undead to fight, just not really overpowered vamps and the like.

[Sixk_Kelvin]

Knights of Morr

[junkyarddog]

KNights of the white wolf because Kislev RULES!!

[Flegler]

The White Wolves are from Middenheim, not Kislev.

[Seldaren]

It's kind of odd.
The Knights of the White Wolf aren't even listed on GW's Empire site any more. When they updated the Empire stuff, they went away.
So we've got the Renowned Knightly Orders:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/empire/knights-chapters/1/

The first listed happens to be the Knights of the Blazing Sun :) .

But if you go to the Religion in the Old World background article, there is still mention of the Knights of the White Wolf (aka Templars of Ulric).
And based on their description, they are basically the exact opposite of the KotBS.

As Templars of Ulric, the White Wolves are based in Middenheim, which is the centre of the Ulrican cult. They are known for being the wildest of all the Knightly Orders, charging into battle with no thought for their own safety, and frequently no thought for strategy or tactics either. Their ferocity is unmatched, however, and few enemies can withstand the crushing blows of their cavalry hammers.

And for Myrmidia:
Represented as a beautiful young woman clad in armour, Myrmidia is the Goddess of War, and her symbol is the spear and shield that she is most often depicted with. She is the patron of the art and science of battle, and is paid homage by many commanders and strategists as well as simple soldiers.

It even says:
There is some antipathy between cultists of Myrmidia and Ulric who view each other, mostly unfairly, as unnecessarily prim and reserved or as barbarous savages respectively. Fortunately this usually manifests as healthy competition on the battlefield rather than open hostility.

I think that is the reason the White Wolves were not chosen as the Knightly Order.
Mythic was probably going for a more prim and proper Order. Not an order of crazed zealots :) .
Also, the White Wolves were kind of featured in the Storm of Chaos. Mythic probably wanted to get away from that as well.

Seldaren

[Mauldred]

If I had the choice, I would choose a Knightly Order that looks as Bretonnian as possible. But I am happy to be able to play a KotBS, it is a not so well known order (in comparison with Reiksguard, etc.) that deserve to be much more known.

For the King Louen and the Lady !

[Memnos]

No question, if I had a choice of any order, it would be Vespero's Vendetta. Or a Knight of the Rose from Tilea. Those guys are bad-assed: Vendetta knights are the "Hey, guys? Let's cheat." knights. Their order's song involves bravely running around the enemy and liberating their baggage train of loot. The Knights of the Rose are awesome.

On the other hand, I must admit to being confused by the Ulricans here. White Wolf members are certainly not as Iconic as the Reiksguard(The 'typical' knights) and, while they are certainly physically tougher than the Blazing Sun, they don't have the experience fighting a wide variety of foes. Sheer skill and adaptability makes the Blazing Sun the better choice for the Empire to have sent off in this particular war.

[Ashnari Doomsong]

Except, of course, that the White Wolf is right in the enemy's path.

[Veilside]

No question, if I had a choice of any order, it would be Vespero's Vendetta. Or a Knight of the Rose from Tilea. Those guys are bad-assed: Vendetta knights are the "Hey, guys? Let's cheat." knights. Their order's song involves bravely running around the enemy and liberating their baggage train of loot. The Knights of the Rose are awesome.

On the other hand, I must admit to being confused by the Ulricans here. White Wolf members are certainly not as Iconic as the Reiksguard(The 'typical' knights) and, while they are certainly physically tougher than the Blazing Sun, they don't have the experience fighting a wide variety of foes. Sheer skill and adaptability makes the Blazing Sun the better choice for the Empire to have sent off in this particular war.

I thought vesperos vendetta were a bunch of assassins? :confused:

[Okri]

Nor assasins per se, duelist I believe would be the correct term. At any rate, I do not see where the idea of them being knight's is coming from. Perhaps he was thinking of Voland's Venators?

Links to both:
Vespero's Vendetta: http://uk.games-workshop.com/dogsofwar/miniature-gallery/10/
Voland's Venators: http://uk.games-workshop.com/dogsofwar/miniature-gallery/9/

Anyhoo, I quite like the Knights of the Blazing Sun. If you want to be a bearded, hammer-wielding, beer-swelling nut-case (White Wolf Knights, if you didn't get it), go play Dwarf. And yes, I am going to play a Dwarf.

[Veilside]

Nor assasins per se, duelist I believe would be the correct term. At any rate, I do not see where the idea of them being knight's is coming from. Perhaps he was thinking of Voland's Venators?

Links to both:
Vespero's Vendetta: http://uk.games-workshop.com/dogsofwar/miniature-gallery/10/
Voland's Venators: http://uk.games-workshop.com/dogsofwar/miniature-gallery/9/

Anyhoo, I quite like the Knights of the Blazing Sun. If you want to be a bearded, hammer-wielding, beer-swelling nut-case (White Wolf Knights, if you didn't get it), go play Dwarf. And yes, I am going to play a Dwarf.

Possibly although i can't think of any mention of them in the lore that talks about them pillaging places :confused:

[Grimald]

i always found it wierd they used Blazing Suns, since traditionally the furthest they go north is to nuln, and only in terrible circumstances, like the possible fall of the whole empire do they go to the north border and i don't WAR qualifies for this.

I would of though knight panther would of been a better choice, even an obcure one where they can create lore for it, like the ones you see in the Empire army book (Order of the Gryphon, or something similar.)

I would prefer Knights Panther from a lore perspective, but i don't mind it being Blazing Suns since every army i've collected in the past has had a strong identifity to Myrmidia

[Fusko]

I dunno, I was looking through the different knightly orders, and I think the best one is The Knights Encarmine. I don't really care much about whats iconic, those guys just look really fun. :P

[Sytrus]

KOTBS for sure.

[Atavistic]

Order of the sacred scythe would be my personal choice, kinda like witch hunters in cans.

[Seldaren]

i always found it wierd they used Blazing Suns, since traditionally the furthest they go north is to nuln, and only in terrible circumstances, like the possible fall of the whole empire do they go to the north border and i don't WAR qualifies for this.

Um, the KotBS are based in Talabheim, which is quite a bit north of Nuln.

This is what it says on the GW site talking about them:

Upon returning to the Empire, the veterans of that battle founded the Order of the Blazing Sun and built a shrine to Myrmidia in the heart of Talabheim.

[Dustandpolos]

Reiksguard have the best colour scheme; actually would've voted White Wolves but you'd have to have Middenland as a zone for that (maybe expansion material?) and the friction with the Sigmarites would have to be explained away. Though some tensions between the Ulric and Sigmar following npc's would add some nice depth an sense of immersion to the empire zones.

[Soulsmith]

Bretonnians. Then it would have to be Morrs men. i mean come on deathly silent black specters looming across the battlefield bringing death to their enemies.

[KroqGar]

Reiksguard have the best colour scheme; actually would've voted White Wolves but you'd have to have Middenland as a zone for that (maybe expansion material?) and the friction with the Sigmarites would have to be explained away. Though some tensions between the Ulric and Sigmar following npc's would add some nice depth an sense of immersion to the empire zones.

They tolerate eachother, they just don't enjoy eachothers company. But in situations such as Chaos invasions (Storm of Chaos) they band together without problems to defend the Empire.

[Gage]

knights panther i like the colours best ;) its all about colours

plus their purpose makes more sense in WAR "They are avowed enemies of Chaos and are dedicated to the eradication of mutants and the preservation of racial purity within Empire." being the opposing race to chaos in game would make so much more sense :rolleyes:

[Krulltak]

Knights of Morr definatly, due to the kick-arseness of their club hoods and scythes.

Blazing Sun in second though, due to their no-nonseness strategic attitude.

[Karl van Drak]

I'd be a member of the Black Guard of Morr.

[Gallas]

Knights of the White Wolf!
I like Middenland, and I like Ulric, so the White Wolf order is the one for me. But, as it is, I'll be a Blazing Sun.

[Shifte]

knights panther i like the colours best ;) its all about colours

plus their purpose makes more sense in WAR "They are avowed enemies of Chaos and are dedicated to the eradication of mutants and the preservation of racial purity within Empire." being the opposing race to chaos in game would make so much more sense :rolleyes:


Too similar to Witch Hunters, that way though.

[Steel*Faith]

Reiksguard. Knights of Sigmar are the largest and strongest.

[Flegler]

Reiksguard. Knights of Sigmar are the largest and strongest.

The Reiksguard aren't a religious order :confused:

[Discreet]

Knights of Morr definately.

come on, Massive sword, Horse and almost superhuman!!!

[Ruinx]

Reiksguard. Knights of Sigmar are the largest and strongest.

A Black Orc would think that was the best reason to select a knightly order, that's for sure ;)

[cheesecake]

what about all of the less well known orders like the hammerers of sigmar, order of the black bear, or even my personal favorate the knights or morr (morr being the death god of the empire) they will sadly never make it into the game :( but i would deffo like to be a knight of morr....

[Rarduzi]

I don't mind KOTBS in the slightest, but I'd like to have the chance to play as the Knights of the Broken Sword.

[Amelung]

what about all of the less well known orders like the hammerers of sigmar, order of the black bear, or even my personal favorate the knights or morr (morr being the death god of the empire) they will sadly never make it into the game :( but i would deffo like to be a knight of morr....
I 'feel' with you, also my favourites were everytime Reiksguard (because they are so fine 'common' :D), but thats preference, not because i think one order is 'better' than another ;)
Known gameplay says now (at least first) 'four iconic classes' and we know today it means, a special order, here KotBS as one 'class'.
I think really its something for expansions to implement more possibilities, or perhaps??? for some 'NPC'-companions like i heard 'rumors' (it seams there is a chance for a underpowered army will get NPC's as active 'servants' for battle, perhaps also some other orders in different regions?????)
But absolutely thats speculation, thoughts about some recognizing 'old' friends like different orders, or halberdiers, musketeers, swordsmen, Flagellants.....and so on.
Perhaps there will be also some 'armypoints' for filling few NPC's in empty space of your army and you have the choice par example one knight (of another special order), 3 musketeers, four speermen, or whatelse.
But sure, especially as warhammer-fan with your individual preference of some of the multiple possibilities of warhammer-armies its normal you feel a bit sad. It should be normal or you would be no real warhammer-fan :).

[lathrael]

Knights of the Black Rose, followers of Morr, of course :twisted:

[Darrett]

Knights of Morr definately.

come on, Massive sword, Horse and almost superhuman!!!


This. Black Guardsman of Morr.

[Sionn]

Knights on Morr, without a doubt.

[Grandmaster]

Necromancy! ;)