Finally, a Nuker worth playing?

[MrVicchio]

I am very very excited about this. I am a caster at heart, my list of high end Characters:

1. EQ, Druid. Loved it.

2. DAoC, Wizard, Fireballer... I miss him.

3. AO, NanoTech.

4. CoH, Blaster, Marked Gunman! (I miss him too, but I HATE CoH.)

5. WoW, LvL 60 Mage, Fire spec, Tier1/.05.

So now comes WAR, and wow... I am excited about the Bright Wizard... From all I can see, and have read, a real nuker not worried about the other things, like being a vending machine, or a buff bot, or a utility class. Rather it's going to be all about the BOOM.

Only down side... my wife is probably going to force us to play Drow... sigh.

[dutch_gamer]

Only down side... my wife is probably going to force us to play Drow... sigh.

They are called Dark Elves and they aren't the same as Drow. Calling Dark Elves, Drow in this game, is a slap in the face of Warhammer IP.

[MageLite]

They are called Dark Elves and they aren't the same as Drow. Calling Dark Elves, Drow in this game, is a slap in the face of Warhammer IP.

And trust me, Dutch is one of the more restrained posters on this forum compared to how others would reply *sharpens choppa*.

[Azrayne2.0]

I'm more or less in your boat, Wizzie in EQ1 and EQOA, Eldritch and Runemaster in DAoC, Mage and (Destruction specced) warlock in WoW, and I'm currently torn between Bright Wizard, Magus and whatever caster option the elven races get.

[Kharlene]

lmao I'm a true caster at heart, too :mrgreen: Main is more than likely going to be a Bright Wizard (though I generally tend to play all classes at some point another, but generally my main is always a hoo-man caster) :mrgreen:

EQ had two mains Enchantress and Drood =p

DAoC uber main was ice wizzy... truly my favorite character in the whole-wide world and the first one I named Kharlene becoming my personal little icon character for me then on (looking to recreate her in here) :mrgreen:

CoH/CoV - CoH first was a Blaster - lightning ooooooooooo! CoV in beta and release Corruptor

WoW - icy mage (another Kharlene incarnation) =p

played numerous other MMOs I can assure you... all mains were casters ;-)

[MrVicchio]

They are called Dark Elves and they aren't the same as Drow. Calling Dark Elves, Drow in this game, is a slap in the face of Warhammer IP.
Oh...

Well then Dark Elf. Sorry I am old School DnD, and I always called dem Drow.

[vehemoth]

They literally purge things with fire. The witch hunter is the jury, the knight of the blazing sun presents arguments against them, the warrior priest is the judge and the Bright Wizard is the fire... hence trial by fire.

[Alith]

Of all the zillions of DAOC characters I had the fire wizzies (Alithraviel and Alithravielle on the Andred and Percival servers) were my favourites bar none.

No matter what I tried out I always went back to my fire wizzies. Nothing compared to that moment when your bolt volley exploded something in fiery carnage. I could play all night long in RvR and never tired of the fiery pwn.

Bright wizard for me!!!!

[Anaris]

It's all about casters with options. I want a gajillion different plans to choose between at any given moment - I actually enjoy WoW's mages, for the utility spells. Felt pro the first time I used Detect Magic to help me in a fight.

[Dabigbom]

There is no greater pleasure, than standing far and scorching anyone who crosses your path........

[Malvos]

Yea, bright wizard will always have a special place in my heart. My friends are going to probably make me play dark elves or chaos tho.

UO: Pure mage
EQ1: Magician and Wizard
EQ2: Wizard
DAOC: Fire mage PVP server
Lineage 2: Nuker (don't remember what its called, Korean Sorc)
Wow: 51pt pure fire mage
CoV: Ice/Rad Corruptor (talk about overpowered...)

I love casters....

[Immortalis]

And then a big bad Chosen of Tzeentch named Immortalis came along and all the casters.

Seriously though, casters are pretty fun to play. I have a 30/21 Rank 13 Fire Arcane mage on Frostmourne that I'm going to be selling hopefully before TBC comes out and it used to be really fun to play.

But then I got tired of wearing a dress, and now prefer pointy spikes on huge plate shoulder armor.

[Malvos]

... and now prefer pointy spikes on huge plate shoulder armor.

So you prefer a chaos sorc? ;) Thats what you just described and its what I'm going to play.

However, remember that plate is nice when swords and arrows are flying at you. However, when the flames come it turns into a personal oven and when the lightning arcs it makes a wonderfull conductor.... ;)

[Gorrr]

So you prefer a chaos sorc? ;) Thats what you just described and its what I'm going to play.

However, remember that plate is nice when swords and arrows are flying at you. However, when the flames come it turns into a personal oven and when the lightning arcs it makes a wonderfull conductor.... ;)
you forgot always flying on a disk of doom awsomness...
Going to play a Chaos Magus too when WAR comes out/if i get in beta :-P
WAR is my second MMO (Wow first,quitted because PvP isnt fun there and it's raid or die @ 60(70 now))...i had a warrior,rogue and warlock mains.
Cant wait to play Magus or shaman/choppa.

[Krulltak]

Ahhhhhh, the Bright Wizard. Most interesting looking Empire class so far. Why? Because it fits my real life personality of a madman, and the idea of blowing stuff up with bombs and fire is Pure Unadulterated Awsome.

[Timanous]

Its alright you're gunna need us melee classes.

[Kraun]

Honest to god, this will be the first time ever in my 8+ years in MMORPG's that i have ever wanted to play a caster-cloth class above anything else!

So to answer the op, HECK YEAH! finally a nuker worth playing! :twisted:

[Dabigbom]

The Bright Order welcomes you with open arms! May the Wind of Aqshy guide your flames at the enemies of the Empire!

[Remnant]

While I know its a bit of a taboo to compare WAR to That Other Game,

I really hope Bright Wizards are allowed to be straight damage casters. The mages in That Other Game... blech. I rolled one to do damage, to be the proverbial glass cannon.

I got the glass, and then got passed up by locks who brought more damage, did better in PvP, had more survivability and brought similar utility to the table.

So while this class is really appealing to me, my former experience makes me apprehensive because of the shoddy treatment the style of class got in That Other Game.

[Azrayne2.0]

There's really no need to talk as if WoW is a dirty word. People who can't handle making comparisons to, you know, the biggest MMO of all time, are so immature and single minded that they don't even deserve acknowledgement.

[Dabigbom]

There's really no need to talk as if WoW is a dirty word. People who can't handle making comparisons to, you know, the biggest MMO of all time, are so immature and single minded that they don't even deserve acknowledgement.

Actually, Remnant is a smart fellow cause' he's prolly found out that all WoW -> WAR - WAR -> WoW discussions end up with a thread lock, which is something you should avoid too.

[Azrayne2.0]

Actually, Remnant is a smart fellow cause' he's prolly found out that all WoW -> WAR - WAR -> WoW discussions end up with a thread lock, which is something you should avoid too.

Making threads debating the various merits of the two games does tend to spiral down into a meaningless cluster rather quickly (as almost always happens when you have a discussion trying to compare objectively things that are almost entirely a matter of personal taste, especially public discussions, and especially especially online ones), I agree, but acting stupid and immature about the subject by trying to make subtle implications about the game and those who play it (which at one time or another has probably included almost everyone on this forum), under which catagory this whole 'that game...' trend would fall, especially since it's almost always followed by someone criticising WoW, is almost as bad.

[Anaris]

Personally, I prefer the WoW mages to 1 ) any other WoW class and 2 ) the Bright Wizards. I'm not fond of a mage in terms of damage dealing - there's only so much you can do to vary a direct damage class, whereas WoW took the route I prefer, that of giving the player lots of different options to use in various situations. When played well, a mage became a valuable all-purpose problem solver - I used to off-tank for the party as well as do crowd control, positioning mobs for the tank or for aoe/totem effects, aggro management and strategic co-ordination. It's not a good instance run for me unless I saved the entire party's life at least once, and that only doesn't happen when they're good enough not to need it.

[Dabigbom]

Making threads debating the various merits of the two games does tend to spiral down into a meaningless cluster rather quickly (as almost always happens when you have a discussion trying to compare objectively things that are almost entirely a matter of personal taste, especially public discussions, and especially especially online ones), I agree, but acting stupid and immature about the subject by trying to make subtle implications about the game and those who play it (which at one time or another has probably included almost everyone on this forum), under which catagory this whole 'that game...' trend would fall, especially since it's almost always followed by someone criticising WoW, is almost as bad.

I see you've done your homework VERY well. Good job, again.

Erm...do you take courses in MMO philosophy?

[Eluvium]

Actually, i really wanted to be a bright wizard, until i read a lot of the abilities so far, it seems like they are going to be doing/expected to be doing a lot of meticulous debuffing

[Azrayne2.0]

Personally, I prefer the WoW mages to 1 ) any other WoW class and 2 ) the Bright Wizards. I'm not fond of a mage in terms of damage dealing - there's only so much you can do to vary a direct damage class, whereas WoW took the route I prefer, that of giving the player lots of different options to use in various situations. When played well, a mage became a valuable all-purpose problem solver - I used to off-tank for the party as well as do crowd control, positioning mobs for the tank or for aoe/totem effects, aggro management and strategic co-ordination. It's not a good instance run for me unless I saved the entire party's life at least once, and that only doesn't happen when they're good enough not to need it.

Fair enough, it comes down to what you want out of your character. Personally I like to focus on blowing people up, with CC/utility also present, but playing a side role. I'm sure there will be more utility focused casters out there (Magus? I only briefly glanced over their spell list, but they seemed a lot less damage focused), or I'd hope so anyway.

I do, however, hope that we don't get the same situation we did in DAoC, where the 'pure DPS' caster (wizard) had an almost non existant DPS advantage over other casters (Runemaster, Eldritch etc) but was far outstripped in terms of utility. Mythic did end up addressing this somewhat in the end by buffing bolts and giving them nearsight, as well as a few other minor changes, iirc, so we'll see.

Actually, i really wanted to be a bright wizard, until i read a lot of the abilities so far, it seems like they are going to be doing/expected to be doing a lot of meticulous debuffing

I haven't noticed 'that' much debuffing, the only major debuffing example I saw was the spell that reduces elemental/luminary resists by 30%, which would seem to me to be something you'd fire off quickly before blowing your target into oblivion. Some DAoC casters had this ability, and it was fun to strip someone of their damage resists and have 2 or 3 casters tear them up with ridiculous amounts of focused DPS (debuff-nuke spec runie assisted by a dark runie and an SM anybody? :D)

I think debuffing is something fun in small amounts, especially if it's directly debuffing your own damage type for even bigger numbers than normal.

Ok, I just read back over the list and there 'does' appear to be a more sizeable selection of debuffs, but it still mostly seems to be occasional side stuff, and not the main focus on the class. If your target is getting healed through your DPS, drop the heal reduction debuff, if you're assisting the tank train drop the armour reduction debuff, etc. None of it seemed major stuff that would detract too much from the main role as a nuker.

[Anaris]

You're right there Azrayne, here's hoping.

In terms of other mages, I'm waiting for the High Elves...

[Azrayne2.0]

I'm kind of interested in what they're going to do with Dark Elf casters. High elves are a bit too brightandhappysunshine for me, but I've got a nasty suspicion dark elf casters might end up being the healer for their race, so we'll see.

[Anaris]

Dark Magic isn't really appropriate to healing, so I hope not. I hope they pull a Zealot.

As for the High Elves, I'm interested in the caster for three things: wide range of spell types, mastery of multiple magical mysteries, and Assault of Stone. However, I'd also like to see Swordsmasters of Hoeth, White Lions of Chrace and Shadow Warriors.

[Azrayne2.0]

Dark Magic isn't really appropriate to healing, so I hope not. I hope they pull a Zealot.

As for the High Elves, I'm interested in the caster for three things: wide range of spell types, mastery of multiple magical mysteries, and Assault of Stone. However, I'd also like to see Swordsmasters of Hoeth, White Lions of Chrace and Shadow Warriors.

Yeah, the comment that got me was an interview where they were quoted as saying there'll be a melee tank, melee DPS, caster and ranged DPS. If ranged DPS is a non caster, then guess who's going to end up healing?

High elves I'll wait and see, but unless they end up doing something cool with their aesthetic look I'll probably pass. Usually an elf fan, but the whole squeeky-clean look of warhammer high elves doesn't work for me.

[Garthilk]

I hope so,

I'm looking forward to a pure ranged dps career in WAR, just have to wait and see which is closest to the glass cannon that I enjoy playing.

[Rofllove]

I hope so,

I'm looking forward to a pure ranged dps career in WAR, just have to wait and see which is closest to the glass cannon that I enjoy playing.
I hope so, but be prepared to lock millions of "ZOMG NERF!!!" <screen shot of being 1 or 2 shot> threads.