Is it possible for a "nice" chaos?

[Laser]

Is it possible for a "nice"chaos?

LIke Korne instead of hacking and killing for there gods favor beats people at chess for there goods favor?

Or Slannesh getting pleasure out of giving gifts and being kind?

Not sure about tzeentch or nurgle any suggestions?

[Commentaris]

Is it possible for a "nice"chaos?

LIke Korne instead of hacking and killing for there gods favor beats people at chess for there goods favor?

Or Slannesh getting pleasure out of giving gifts and being kind?

Not sure about tzeentch or nurgle any suggestions?

khorne and chess.... i can see the connection, but i doubt the lack of blood and killing will carry much favour with khorne.

slaanesh and giving gifts. well, all gods bestow gifts on their champions, so the concept isn;t that alien to a chaso god. i doubt however that somebody who gets pleasure from giving gift will catch the eye of slaanesh. unless the gifts in themselves are a double-edged sword, or the gifts aren't of a pleasurable nature.

'being nice' and the concept of Chaos dont really mix well. the Chaos Gods aren't 'nice'. they dont want the world to be 'nice'. they want more power for themselves and to destroy those that oppose them. the way each god goes about this is different though.

i suppose in theory there is a Chaos God that embodies 'niceness'. i suspect that he's not all that powerful though as the whole warhammer world isn;t all that 'nice', so the basic emotion of wanting to be nice probably hasn;t given rise to a distinct personality within the warp/aethyr

[Ralzar]

In a way, yes. Since those things might (if you're a very emotional chess player) fuel the god in question. But you're probably not going anywhere as a chaos worshipper. Chess pieces for the chess throne? :P

[Cranmer]

Or Nurgle using deodorant...haha no don't think so. :p

[AlltheMyriadWays]

Is it possible for a "nice"chaos?

LIke Korne instead of hacking and killing for there gods favor beats people at chess for there goods favor?

Or Slannesh getting pleasure out of giving gifts and being kind?

Not sure about tzeentch or nurgle any suggestions?

Nope. The Chaos Gods are the embodiment of human psychic impressions upon the aethyr, emotions such as: anger, despair, pleasure and ambition. Thus, they work to reinforce and establish those goals first and foremost. They are obsessed with them because that is their identity. No true chaos follower would pull their punches that much because it would not be acceptable to their God. Sure, you could say you follow Khorne, but this isn't real life, these dieties are real, and their only true followers are those who have been touched be their deity. Thus, a true follower of Khorne would be touched by Khorne and would have the unnatural urge to burn, maim, slaughter and kill. Chess wouldn't cut it. Their mind would be altered to better serve Khorne.

Tzeentch, arguably could have a "nice" follower, however it wouldn't really be "nice". It isn't unlikely a Tzeentch worshipping Empire politician might believe Tzeentch is the path to a peaceful and better world, but (s)he would be so obssessed with pursuit of that goal they would hurt anyone in the way, and do lots of things under the premise that the ends justify the means.

[Mirander]

The only Chaos god you can make the case for 'being nice' would be Nurgle. To his followers, Nurgle acts as a sort of kindly old grandfather figure who watches out for them.

As for the other Chaos gods, no, not really. They're pretty much pure evil.

[Jacktheinedible]

Ah yes, grandfather nurgle, bestowing kindly pestilences and plagues upon his foes (and followers too....but it doesnt bother them)

[Lord Semaj]

Tzeentch's followers are very nice, if by nice you mean killing you in the most humane and painless way.

[doomy]

I swear to be a nice chaos human when WAR goes live. Just give me a call ingame with your coordinates and I will prove it to you. We will grind together, gather some herbs, do some /dance emotes, roleplay a little bit, go see the sunset... and when you feel yourself choking on your own blood know that it wasn't me sticking me spikes through your spine...

Have a nice day!

[Hatistmo]

There are no nice things in Chaos. Its Chaos. Its there to be chaotic. Its a swirling world of insanity powered by bad things and willing naughty deeds into fruition. It puts rude words into your head when you meet the in-laws. It gave the marketing people ideas for Toothbrush adverts. It is always finding new shows for Russel Brand. It is madness incarnate.

So no, chess wouldn't give a sufficient buzz for Chaos. Well, maybe Tzeentch if it was for the losers soul, which is extracted in a very brutal and insane fashion involving magical purple explosions of the stomach.

[Felonious]

I'm no expert, but I'm fairly sure that at one point there were Chaos gods of loving and caring, but they were swallowed or destroyed by the Big Four; Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Slaanesh. As for those four being nice, it's doubtful like everyone else was saying. Generally, they seem to be "nice" only to their current favored Champion, and even then they could decide to kill him off if he annoys them.

[Gharok]

Is it possible for a "nice"chaos?

LIke Korne instead of hacking and killing for there gods favor beats people at chess for there goods favor?

Or Slannesh getting pleasure out of giving gifts and being kind?

Not sure about tzeentch or nurgle any suggestions?

Of course chaos can be nice, who would join a group that wasn't nice?
Nurgle could give little kids chicken pox so they wouldn't have to have it as adults.
Tzeentch could give out free information (kinda like google and wikipedia).

[Ralzar]

I'm sensing we're about two posts away from the next "Is chaos evil?" discussion :D

[Nerror]

I'm sensing we're about two posts away from the next "Is chaos evil?" discussion :D

<twitch>

Of course Chaos can be nice! My character will be nice! Just not to the Empire..or dwarfs..or high elves.

[checkthis5000]

The Gods do give gifts. They're just "dark gifts." Who doesn't want a tentacle, or an open wound.

I'm going to see grandfather Nurgle tomorrow to get a few tumors and some boils for christmas.

He loves to give us faithful followers the best of gifts. And maybe I'll get lucky and get something contagious so that I can share my gift with others. :)

[Witch_Hunter]

So does that mean Santa is a Chaos Champion? He lives up north (in the Chaos Wastes), he has thousands of elven slaves, he rides a chaos sleigh/chariot pulled bu demonic reindeer. :-o

[Ratslaugh]

Emo Warrior of Khorne: I cry and cut you...

[Boffum]

Emo Warrior of Khorne: I cry and cut you...
Craaaaaaawling in my skiiiiiiiin...
*Cuts self and sniffles* Blood for the Blood God :(

[Redgoth]

By asking all this you are assuming that Killing, Cheating, Plaguing are "NOT nice" things.
Nice is a point of view, and these things are NICE to the Chaos Gods.

Nice in the way you speak about it is for pointy eared pansies...

[Laser]

well you never know..since chaos is chaos incarnet then all of a sudden chaos being nice would be chaotic!:eek:

When i mean slannesh i mean a slannesh worsipper giveing presents and being nice & getting pleasure out of that.
being nice (http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/special-characters/images/aekold.jpg)
aekold Helbrass, Champion of Tzeentch, bears a most unusual gift – the gift that is known as the Breath of Life. Where Aekold walks the grass springs green and meadow flowers blossom. When he walks upon desert sands and stony rocks, the land bursts into life as he passes.

Any living thing he touches springs into new and vigorous growth. The long-dead wood of doors and staves takes root upon his touch. His touch can restore to health creatures that are upon the threshold of death, for such is the power of the Breath of Life. His touch is as indiscriminate as it is potent, behind him he leaves a trail of new life and everything he touches is affected.

I found this.This could count as tzeentch being "nice".

[Boffum]

well you never know..since chaos is chaos incarnet then all of a sudden chaos being nice would be chaotic!:eek:

When i mean slannesh i mean a slannesh worsipper giveing presents and being nice & getting pleasure out of that.
being nice (http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/special-characters/images/aekold.jpg)

I found this.This could count as tzeentch being "nice".
So what happens when Aekold touches someone? I'm thinking new and rampant growth.

Chaos is not evil. Chaos is not good. Chaos is chaotic. Chaos warbands have been known to defend settlements and cities against other Chaos warbands. And I think strong arguments could be made for Tzeentch and his followers being especially chaotic.

[Commentaris]

I'm sensing we're about two posts away from the next "Is chaos evil?" discussion :D

looks like you were off by about 6 posts

[AlltheMyriadWays]

By asking all this you are assuming that Killing, Cheating, Plaguing are "NOT nice" things.
Nice is a point of view, and these things are NICE to the Chaos Gods.

Nice in the way you speak about it is for pointy eared pansies...

If you're going to play the subjectivist card at least have a good reason, people have pretty common definitions of "nice" and we've been using the definition implied by the OP for a good reason: so we can actually discuss things.

Yes, the definition of "nice" depends on the individual but that fact that there have been no disagreements on it 'til this point shows that we hold it to mean (in this particular discussion) a similiar enough thing.

[Redgoth]

If you're going to play the subjectivist card at least have a good reason, people have pretty common definitions of "nice" and we've been using the definition implied by the OP for a good reason: so we can actually discuss things.

Yes, the definition of "nice" depends on the individual but that fact that there have been no disagreements on it 'til this point shows that we hold it to mean (in this particular discussion) a similiar enough thing.

What I was implying in my previous post was that "nice" things that come from Chaos are the "Bad" things that are implied in the OP's view. By consequence, I can't really see a true supporter of Chaos being nice in the OP's definition, so I was answering the original question.

I could have just said -No-. It would have been more clear ;) but kind of lacks depth.

[AlltheMyriadWays]

What I was implying in my previous post was that "nice" things that come from Chaos are the "Bad" things that are implied in the OP's view. By consequence, I can't really see a true supporter of Chaos being nice in the OP's definition, so I was answering the original question.

Well, I misunderstood what you meant then. Sorry.

[Smachaz]

Yes, when you'll be burning in a pile of dead chaos worshipers.

[Isak the Problematic]

Funnily enough, Tzeentch, in addition to being the god of change and scheming, also serves as the god of hope.
If the Warhammer concept of Chaos is like the Warhammer 40,000 concept, then Chaos is human emotion given physical form, but, due to the flaws of mankind, it is called "Chaos", and not "The Big Swirling Emotion-Thingee"*

*Speaking of Emoes, have you been on EmoSpace lately?

[Kutulu]

[QUOTE=Laser;200447]Is it possible for a "nice"chaos?
QUOTE]

We're all nice in the Unholy Legion....

Sure we are!

Now, put down your sword and come over here...

Tell me... ever pulled the skin off a high elf while they were still alive? Oh my! Such fun...

No? You like to help the forces of Order? Oh... don't worry about it...

Here - have some fruit juice to drink...... funny taste? Oh... don't worry about it....

[nioc]

I swear to be a nice chaos human when WAR goes live. Just give me a call ingame with your coordinates and I will prove it to you. We will grind together, gather some herbs, do some /dance emotes, roleplay a little bit, go see the sunset... and when you feel yourself choking on your own blood know that it wasn't me sticking me spikes through your spine...

Have a nice day!


ROTFL, i like that

[Gharunkal]

So what happens when Aekold touches someone? I'm thinking new and rampant growth.


To answer your humble question... from my readings I could derive that Aekold could choose which could return the life and what not, providing he has slain someone. So if he kills an Imperial, that one is dead for sure and his soul goes to the stomache of Tzeentch.

About nice Chaos, it's just in the beholder's eyes. But if you go pick daisy's and play a little schoolgirl, I am the first one to claim your head. Chaos doesn't mind 'friendly' fire.

[Romple-WHA]

I don't wanna be nice. I wanna work with other evil people to do evil things, like squash dwarves and eat elves... and play with pink bunnies.

[Krulltak]

Chaos is not good. Chaos is not evil. Chaos is unpredictability.

For Chaos to be completly this or completly that would go completly against it's rules of being unpredictable, and chaotic.

Also, the human worshippers of chaos do not consider themselves or their gods evil, and consider Imperial gods evil, and the same thing goes for Imperials.

Chaos is just another human faction....fighting for their gods....with the ultimate unstoppable power of the universe in their hands.:rolleyes:

[Nerror]

I don't wanna be nice. I wanna work with other evil people to do evil things, like squash dwarves and eat elves... and play with pink bunnies.

The only evil part of that is the bunny part. Rest is good.

[Ajax]

nice chaos

cute orcs

tall dwarfs

they all live together in a little world known as LAMEHAMMER!!!



if anyone RPs a kind and/or polite chaos... ill swich sides and kill them myself

[Black Razor]

The answer is no .. its not possible. The forces of chaos are uniformly the forces of corruption in the Warhammer world. If you have fallen to chaos you have given yourself over to them and therefor have been consumed by darkness. Thats not to say a chaos zealot of Slaanesh couldnt fane kindness... 'Hey kid ..ya want some candy?' .. but trust me ..the end result isnt gonna be 'nice' by any measure of the term.

[Romple-WHA]

i hope no one takes playing the evil side as free reign to be a total a-hole to everyone.

[Kutulu]

i hope no one takes playing the evil side as free reign to be a total a-hole to everyone.

What's evil, really - but just a matter of perspective? ;)

Ok- but, ya - but you're very right - in over ten years of gaming, it's always been very hard for people to role-play evil, and not be a-holes. It's just not black and white - and, what may be perceived as good "evil" acting, by one "good" player - will be perceived as a-hole-ism, by another "good" player.

There's this fuzzy line somewhere - and you don't want to cross it. The big issue is GRIEFing - where it's less your toon being evil, than it is you the player being an a$$.

Only way around that is for the people playing "evil" to be mature enough to be aware of that OOC line - and how it may be in different places for different people.

And, of course, common sense stuff, like -"evil" toons shouldn't be taking advantage of lag, zone killing, ganking - or stuff like that.

[Ripple]

Chaos is not evil. Chaos is not good. Chaos is chaotic. Chaos warbands have been known to defend settlements and cities against other Chaos warbands. And I think strong arguments could be made for Tzeentch and his followers being especially chaotic.
Thank you, someone who gets the idea. In Warhammer there is no: Good and Evil. Just law and chaos. The Empire, the so-called good guys, burn innocent people at the stake. Mythic understands this since they named the factions Order and Destruction, that is the only real difference between them. Do they want to build? Or Destroy?

[Kutulu]

Thank you, someone who gets the idea. In Warhammer there is no: Good and Evil. Just law and chaos. The Empire, the so-called good guys, burn innocent people at the stake. Mythic understands this since they named the factions Order and Destruction, that is the only real difference between them. Do they want to build? Or Destroy?

I'd have to disagree/clarify-
Yes - chaos does not equal evil. But to say "In Warhammer there is no: Good and Evil"- that's not entirely correct..
There is "good" and "evil" - but the definition of "good" and "evil" will depend on whom you ask in the Warhammer world.

[Krulltak]

The answer is no .. its not possible. The forces of chaos are uniformly the forces of corruption in the Warhammer world. If you have fallen to chaos you have given yourself over to them and therefor have been consumed by darkness. Thats not to say a chaos zealot of Slaanesh couldnt fane kindness... 'Hey kid ..ya want some candy?' .. but trust me ..the end result isnt gonna be 'nice' by any measure of the term.

While the Dark Gods themselves are malevolent, that doesn't mean their followers worship them to be malevolent. Also, only the orderly Factions such as Impierials, Brets, Elfs, and Lizardmen consider themselves corrupted and evil. 'Evil' is a point of view in the eye of the beholder, and to the Norscans, it is the Empire who is 'evil', so it could go both ways.
There have been times when people join gods like Tzeentch or Slaanesh for the sake of the greater good of the Empire. How is that 'evil' or 'corrupted'? Sure, they become malevolent, but tis all for the greater good. Slaanesh is the god of love. How is love evil?

[Krulltak]

Thank you, someone who gets the idea. In Warhammer there is no: Good and Evil. Just law and chaos. The Empire, the so-called good guys, burn innocent people at the stake. Mythic understands this since they named the factions Order and Destruction, that is the only real difference between them. Do they want to build? Or Destroy?

Thank you, Mr. President.

"There is "good" and "evil" - but the definition of "good" and "evil" will depend on whom you ask in the Warhammer world."

That too... is a point I've been making. However, you, the people who actually play the game, know more of the Warhammer universe than the miserable people who actually live their. You people know enough to know that their is no true 'good or 'evil', only what everyone thinks of everyone else.

[Black Razor]

While the Dark Gods themselves are malevolent, that doesn't mean their followers worship them to be malevolent. Also, only the orderly Factions such as Impierials, Brets, Elfs, and Lizardmen consider themselves corrupted and evil. 'Evil' is a point of view in the eye of the beholder, and to the Norscans, it is the Empire who is 'evil', so it could go both ways.
There have been times when people join gods like Tzeentch or Slaanesh for the sake of the greater good of the Empire. How is that 'evil' or 'corrupted'? Sure, they become malevolent, but tis all for the greater good. Slaanesh is the god of love. How is love evil?

Nowhere in my post did I use the word evil did I? No I said Corrupt .. in game its fine and good to call yourself good as a chaos character from a chaotic point of view. After all the Dark Elves think of themselves as the only true elves .. but from an OOC stand point you have to look at it from the human norm .. and from that view yes Chaos are corrupted and deviant. If you wish to call them purly chaotic then from there view anything ordered would be unatural and need to be destroyed just like the empire views anything chaos needing to be destroyed. It was said somewhere that the empire hates chaos because they are a dark mirror reflection of the empire ..but the same is true in reverse. Evil they may not be ..but to call Chaos nice is completly ignoring the base of what chaos is.

[Krulltak]

Nowhere in my post did I use the word evil did I? No I said Corrupt .. in game its fine and good to call yourself good as a chaos character from a chaotic point of view. After all the Dark Elves think of themselves as the only true elves .. but from an OOC stand point you have to look at it from the human norm .. and from that view yes Chaos are corrupted and deviant. If you wish to call them purly chaotic then from there view anything ordered would be unatural and need to be destroyed just like the empire views anything chaos needing to be destroyed. It was said somewhere that the empire hates chaos because they are a dark mirror reflection of the empire ..but the same is true in reverse. Evil they may not be ..but to call Chaos nice is completly ignoring the base of what chaos is.

Hmm.... I see your point now. Was a bit unclear in your last post, and this is basically most of what I've been saying.

[Ripple]

Ok, I was trying to get across was this (sorry if I am preaching to the choir here): There is no clear cut line between what is good or bad. In Star Wars or Lord of the Rings there is an obvious line between good and bad, not so with Warhammer (and real life, now that I think of it). That was all.

[MachiavelliDisciple]

Okay, let us not lose sight of the actual topic. The question is whether Chaos can be 'nice', not whether it is good or evil. Firstly nice in fact means accurate and working on its denotation the question seems rather esoteric. However I understand what the original poster's actual intent was so shall work with that for clarity's sake. Well then the answer is a large, resounding no. You see 'good' and 'nice' are different. The witchhunters may have good intentions (or at least ultimately do good regardless of personal ideology) but their methods are certainly not nice. On this basis I would conjecture that no race in the Warhammer world is nice regardless of objectivity/subjectivity.

As to whether it is evil or not... Well yes it is rather; even if they personally believe themselves to be in the right. Generally most people do so it is only their actions that can reliably denote their alignment. Case in point slavery. That is a great evil I am sure we are all agreed however for thousands of years it was the norm. Or perhaps the persecution of the Jews, or the subjugation of women, or the mass slaughtering of people on a regular basis for entertainment purposes. All these were thought of as normal and perfectly healthy by their practitioners. In short personal beliefs really have little to do with it: even if we are doing evil we will think ourselves justified.

[Krulltak]

Okay, let us not lose sight of the actual topic. The question is whether Chaos can be 'nice', not whether it is good or evil. Firstly nice in fact means accurate and working on its denotation the question seems rather esoteric. However I understand what the original poster's actual intent was so shall work with that for clarity's sake. Well then the answer is a large, resounding no. You see 'good' and 'nice' are different. The witchhunters may have good intentions (or at least ultimately do good regardless of personal ideology) but their methods are certainly not nice. On this basis I would conjecture that no race in the Warhammer world is nice regardless of objectivity/subjectivity.

As to whether it is evil or not... Well yes it is rather; even if they personally believe themselves to be in the right. Generally most people do so it is only their actions that can reliably denote their alignment. Case in point slavery. That is a great evil I am sure we are all agreed however for thousands of years it was the norm. Or perhaps the persecution of the Jews, or the subjugation of women, or the mass slaughtering of people on a regular basis for entertainment purposes. All these were thought of as normal and perfectly healthy by their practitioners. In short personal beliefs really have little to do with it: even if we are doing evil we will think ourselves justified.

Well you've brought up a good point with the which hunter bit, and the explanation of good and nice, which cleared things up a bit. But the part about Chaos being evil......seriously, is it really that evil? I see no difference in the Empire wanting to kill everyone else for Sigmar and the Norscans killing everyone else for the Dark Gods...which are both foolish acts by the way.

[MachiavelliDisciple]

Well you've brought up a good point with the which hunter bit, and the explanation of good and nice, which cleared things up a bit. But the part about Chaos being evil......seriously, is it really that evil? I see no difference in the Empire wanting to kill everyone else for Sigmar and the Norscans killing everyone else for the Dark Gods...which are both foolish acts by the way.

Did I say Empire were any different? It is not Good Vs. Evil in Warhammer: it is Order Vs. Destruction, alignment is not involved.

Oh and while they both seek to appease the dark gods their methodology differs wildly. Chaos is a plague that descends upon civilisation and brings it to its knees whereas The Empire is a force of order that is an amalgamation of many humans, not all of them sigmarites. The Empire battles against what would seek to destroy it; Chaos simply battles.

[Romple-WHA]

Ok so you can be a nice Chaos player. But you can't be an orderly (lawful?) one.

I'm thinking of D&D allignments. Chaotic Good, lawful good, lawful evil, chaotic evil, etc...

Good/evil and chaos/lawful meant entirely different things. Roleplaying seemingly contradictory alignments like chaotic good and lawful evil was always fun.

And by that token you can have evil empire. Hell if someone in the empire is trying to kill me, relatively they're pretty evil.

[Krulltak]

Did I say Empire were any different? It is not Good Vs. Evil in Warhammer: it is Order Vs. Destruction, alignment is not involved.

Oh and while they both seek to appease the dark gods their methodology differs wildly. Chaos is a plague that descends upon civilisation and brings it to its knees whereas The Empire is a force of order that is an amalgamation of many humans, not all of them sigmarites. The Empire battles against what would seek to destroy it; Chaos simply battles.

But Chaos also battles against what wishes to get rid of them(even if it is impossible) do they not?

Also......"As to whether it is evil or not... Well yes it is rather; even if they personally believe themselves to be in the right." Yeah, you pretty much called them evil right there.

[Black Razor]

It still cracks me up listening to people argue that chaos are the same as the empire ... it comes down to this .. chaos slaughters, sacrifices, enslaves and generally does really really not nice thing. The Empire ..for all there very prussian idiosyncrasies .. are still not guilty of that level are barbarism .. therefor .. to the original question still at hand .. NO .. a nice chaos isnt possible.

[Ralzar]

I'd say it generally comes down to this:

Chaos worshippers are human (mostly). Humans have the potential to be both good and evil (and "nice and "not so nice" if you will :P). Most human followers of chaos live under very harsh and extreme conditions, which tend to not encourage the type of behaviour we'd consider "nice", or even "good".
Also, a large part of the more dedicated chaos worshippers are very goal oriented and competative people trying to attain immortality. This doesn't usually encourage "nice" behaviour either.

You could perhaps compare chaos worshippers with PvPers. A harsh, unforgiving environment filled with competative individuals who all aim to become the best, usually through the defeat of other people. PvPers as a group aren't "good" or "evil", but the environment tends to make people less "nice" ;)

[Julius]

Also......"As to whether it is evil or not... Well yes it is rather; even if they personally believe themselves to be in the right." Yeah, you pretty much called them evil right there.
Yeah, but he didn't say that the Empire is good. That's what he meant.


As to the question whether or not it's evil. There is no such thing as good and evil. Chaos is merely driven by the subconcious fears and hopes of mortals. So it is what people think it to be, and most people think chaos is "evil" so it is.

[NoneSuch]

To be honest Chaos Are evil when compared to the empire , Chaos want to destroy everything in there path - They live for slaughter and death . The very worship of there gods results in harm and pain being inflicted on themselves / enemies and anything which gets in there way.

While humans aren't good and do kill / torture etc They also have an almost stable society which is advancing and developing where the civilians are mostly happy.. well ... sometimes.

[Nerror]

To be honest Chaos Are evil when compared to the empire , Chaos want to destroy everything in there path - They live for slaughter and death . The very worship of there gods results in harm and pain being inflicted on themselves / enemies and anything which gets in there way.

While humans aren't good and do kill / torture etc They also have an almost stable society which is advancing and developing where the civilians are mostly happy.. well ... sometimes.

Let's not start talking good/evil here :rolleyes: It's all in the eye of the beholder. We can judge the chaos followers by RL standards and call them evil, sure, but that's completely irrelevant to the game. Chaos followers generally believe they are doing the right thing, and that's all people need to know about the morality of it when they play as one.

[Krulltak]

When speaking of good and evil, it is good to refer to my sig... I'll leave yall to interpret it ;) .

I've finally figured it out. Chaos are capitalists. Think about it. Sure, everyone starts out as average joe barbarian, pillaging every now and then to keep bread on the table, but chaos is all about competition, and getting to the top, just like America.

And in the eyes of Chaos worshippers, the Empire is communist, because it keeps you from gaining in power, and makes everyone 'the same'. The Empire shoots you ala witch hunters if you defy them, just like commies.

[Arathan]

The Empire fights to maintain the status quo while Chaos fights to upset it. Simple as that.

(Sure, as many have said, by using RL standards of morality and say that Chaos is a good deal more evil than the Empire. But ultimately neither side sees themselves as evil, they just do what is necessary to reach their goals. And that is what's important when playing either side imho)

[Heresy]

Tzeentch also represents civilisations constant strive to evolve and discover new things.
Without this urge a civilisation would sooner or later decline and/or be destroyed by neighbours.

(However this curiosity can also lead to the downfall of said civilisation - for example the imperium of man in wh40k)

[Kampfer]

Each God is a representation of an Emotional Extreme and what not. Thier tenets are inflexible especially the likes of Khorne whom demands the shedding of blood in his name.

The other point is the Chaos Gods have a hand in thier followers life. If say these gods existed in reality there would be no debate whether they existed or not. You would see thier influence in there followers lives. Thats the final point of a Chaos worshipper is thier are real benifits to following and trying to please your God. Each God offers rewards that suits its practitioners tastes.

A follower of Tzeentch could be the "nicest" of the bunch. Infact, if that person were real you may be able to meet and enjoy his/her company at a dinner at what not. The thing is the tell tale sign would be the amassing power and depending on the enviroment would be his/her conduct.

[Krulltak]

Tzeentch also represents civilisations constant strive to evolve and discover new things.
Without this urge a civilisation would sooner or later decline and/or be destroyed by neighbours.

(However this curiosity can also lead to the downfall of said civilisation - for example real world humans)


Fixed it for ya.

[Boulvae]

Trust me on this, if chaos worshippers weren't "nice" at the beginning of their chaos worshipping ways, they'd be dead. So to answer your question, they are neither "nice", yet they are "nice" at the same time to a 51%/49% ratio.

The more you decend into chaos the less "nice" you get, if the norse were not nice to each other in their tribes they wouldn't be tribes anymore. A majority of them worship chaos gods and havn't grown mutations yet thus, they are still able to be friendly but only during trading, and amongst themselves.

Khorne followers may or may not be the nicest of them all, but your still capable of being "nice" enough to give your foe a quick death, and give his skull the honor of being apart of the skull throne.

Nurgle would be considered more merciful then the other gods, but thats probably because he pulls off a Tzeentch and punishes you with gifts before hand so that can be considered "nice" to a certain degree.

Slaanesh...the deamonettes discription can give you an idea of how "nice" things can get.
Basically if your thinking hellraizer, except you have a choice of dieing with the most carress, or indulging your self in the most pleasures that could never be fathomed...yeah thats a form of "nice", but it's considered perverse to many so many might disagree.

Tzeentch, "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer." You pretty much have more self will, because Tzeenth allows you to have more will wthin his schemes of schemes, and so that is a form of "nice".

[Scirrocco]

If i were a follower of Khorne, i'd be very nice. I'd run around giving people great big hugs! Of course, i'd also have 3 to four inch spikes on my armor, so it'd be like they stepped into an iron maiden, but still, its the thought that counts :)

[Krulltak]

If i were a follower of Khorne, i'd be very nice. I'd run around giving people great big hugs! Of course, i'd also have 3 to four inch spikes on my armor, so it'd be like they stepped into an iron maiden, but still, its the thought that counts :)


After reading Mark of Chaos, A Khorne warrior would consider it nice to slaughter somone in battle ruthlessly, as they consider it an 'honorable death'.

[versuvius]

oh yeh lets have nice tree hugging sissy elf chaos now...whatever ur smoking ill take some

[Captain Garro]

As it has been said, Nurgle is the only chaos god who is compassionate about his minions. They see him as a loving father figure, hence the name "Papa Nurgle".

[versuvius]

he still disease riddle them

[spirit]

he still disease riddle them

But with good diseases that make them tougher and resistant to things- so quite a nice thing to do.

the Chaos Gods are nice to those who follow them, and nasty to those who don't.

[Immortalis]

I wouldn't want to worship nurgle. I have enough pimples as it is.

[versuvius]

well i could do nurgle....id hang an air freshner off a horn on my helmet

[Ashnari Doomsong]

Argh. I wish people would stop getting the "Chaos=Evil" stereotype. It's not true.

Chaos is random, change, the opposite of Order. Chaos is, by its very nature many-sided and unreliable.
In the Aethyr, anything is possible. Chaos does not seek dominion - Chaos seeks the removal of its antithesis, Order. Chaos wants to remove the Empire, because the Empire's got structure. Chaos wants to take down Ulthuan, because the Vortex prevents the true shape of Chaos. Chaos is not, to quote some bloke, fire and brimstone; It's custard falling from the sky!

So yes, it is very much possible to be a Chaos worshipper and not be obsessed with killing things. It's bound to happen sometime.

[versuvius]

the forces of chaos are evil generally they were put in wrhammer as a common enemy...their are very few chaos mutants who resent the changes but they are an uber-minoroty

[spirit]

the forces of chaos are evil generally they were put in wrhammer as a common enemy...their are very few chaos mutants who resent the changes but they are an uber-minoroty

Yeah, but they are a common enemy against:

- a bunch of arrogant toss**s who think they are the rulers of the world and can control Chaos (as in magic) to their whim
- a massive dominating Empire who opresses its people under a climate of fear
-short, fat, grumpy people who cant get over themselves to actually do anything
- a bunch of lizards who like to think they own the world
- the french

I mean seriously, if those are the "good guys" the Warhammer world doesnt exactly have a lot for it

[Smachaz]

Tzeech and Slaneesh might be seen as good, the way i see it. But in no way are Nurgle and Khorne good. Destruction, hate, blood, war, disease, dispair, wrath. Although Nurgle seems to care a bit about his followers, so i guess he could be considered a bit good.

Edit: Spirit,

-the french

hahahahahaha :)

[versuvius]

what do you mean we cant get ourselves to do anything...we invented beer...kick arse on th battle field invented everything that keeps you out of the dark age and we are master craftsmen who priduce things to fight evil...your right about short fat and grumpy..and if your implying that chaos are good they dont exactly do anything to help that oppinion...if you want chaos to be good go to another planet with different general rules...warhammer my be based on german society but their not that much different from the rest of us...they should kill more french to show how god they are

[Nayl]

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Yes it is possible...at least in 40k. But, as there are hints from GW that 40k and Fantasy are linked, I would imagine it is the same here. Some members of the Imperium (mainly the Inquisition I think) believe that when the emperor dies, he will be reborn as a true god and consume all of the chaos gods. He will then release them in their positive forms. So:

Khorne: The god of Peace and Love
Nurgle: The god of life and health
Tzeentch: The god of choosing your own destiny
Slaanesh: The god of happiness, fun (and possibly moderation).

Whether that will really happen, is unknown...it certainly wont be written about.

[Black Razor]

I still think everyone is getting off topic .. its not about good or evil .. or even right or wrong. I dont care how just and virtuous the chaos THINK they are being. The question of the thread was 'nice'. Pestilence and diseases .. no matter how right nurgle may think it is .. isnt nice. Building a throne of skulls .. no matter how asthetically pleasing Khorne may find it .. not nice. Causing extasy laden madness and sensation at the cost of everything else ..may FEEL nice .. but its not.. so no to Slaanesh. And Tzeentch is just too alien to be concidered in any way nice. Can chaos emulate kindness .. yes ..but there intentions will never be truly kind. Chaos may be good .. it may be GREAT in fact ..but nice isnt chaos. Ask yourself would you let Grandpa Nurgle babyset your kid for a night, or Slaanesh date you daughter? I think that makes my point. :D

[versuvius]

yes my exact thoughts without the retardation

[luy22]

yes my exact thoughts without the retardation

WOAH! Whoever's asking for a nice chaos is... on somthing... wow... slaanesh worshipper!!!

[versuvius]

OMG! literally a snotling fondling elf mollesting grobi doing chaos lover!

[Guivert]

As it has been said, Nurgle is the only chaos god who is compassionate about his minions. They see him as a loving father figure, hence the name "Papa Nurgle".

Ah, but note little fluff bit on page 37 of the Hordes of Chaos Armybook.

Papa Nurgle is petting his little Nurgling child very lovingly ... aw ...

and then he eats him.

Not nice, Nurlge. Not nice!

hehe ... funny though

[versuvius]

you have a warped sense of humour...yes hilarious!! hahah...gues what? cus of gale force winds our school roof has partially torn away!! ahaha days off past the week end!

[Timanous]

Nurgle opening up a childrens hospital and tzeentch doing magic shows for lil kiddies

[versuvius]

och aye...and khorne opening a yoga class and slaanesh opening the the helping teens with AID's clinic

[Gorrr]

Is it possible for a "nice"chaos?

LIke Korne instead of hacking and killing for there gods favor beats people at chess for there goods favor?

Or Slannesh getting pleasure out of giving gifts and being kind?

Not sure about tzeentch or nurgle any suggestions?
being nice is wrong.They all raid cities and drink blood from the skulls =/
Beating someone in chess is ok but it's not "chaotic enough"...If the chess would be size of a person and look like chaos spawns and kill ther person that loses.

[versuvius]

sounds like my engineers class pictionary

[Gorrr]

So does that mean Santa is a Chaos Champion? He lives up north (in the Chaos Wastes), he has thousands of elven slaves, he rides a chaos sleigh/chariot pulled bu demonic reindeer. :-o
hehehe that makes me think about Futurama robot santa...

[Gorrr]

To answer your humble question... from my readings I could derive that Aekold could choose which could return the life and what not, providing he has slain someone. So if he kills an Imperial, that one is dead for sure and his soul goes to the stomache of Tzeentch.

About nice Chaos, it's just in the beholder's eyes. But if you go pick daisy's and play a little schoolgirl, I am the first one to claim your head. Chaos doesn't mind 'friendly' fire.
i dont see anything "nice" in ressrecting your enemy.
Killing your enemy really fast and savagely would be nice.For them and for you.
For them,they wont have to fight you anymore and slowly decay-they will die fast (and hopefully not very painfully).
For you,you just killed your enemy!

P.S.There is no "bad" or "good".Anything could be seen from different ...umm views. (sorry for some possible errors,english isnt my language)
For example,The Forsaken in WoW were considered "bad" and "evil" by most players because they were making a plague to wipe out all the Scourge ("bad undead" controlled by lich king) and also all other living creatures and turn them all undead.The difference between scourge and forsaken was that scourge were mindless slaves-zombies and forsaken-pretty much people with their own head on their shoulders(only dead).The plague would kill all races and turn them undead.That means there would be no more wars between all those races,they would be no reason to fight.I wounldnt consider it such a "bad" thing

[versuvius]

no..just not very efficient, and other races may have different views about becomin undead...and ur english is fine, being english mysen

[Gorrr]

i hope no one takes playing the evil side as free reign to be a total a-hole to everyone.
Why would you want to be a-hole to YOUR allies?!
You can be a-hole to enemies,it's more fun.Tho i WOULD act like a-hole to you if you would act like a-hole to me.

[versuvius]

are both your faces arguing again...

[Gorrr]

no..just not very efficient, and other races may have different views about becomin undead...and ur english is fine, being english mysen
heh thanks =/
Back on topic,why everyone wants to classify stuff as "nice"/"good" or "evil"?!
This is war,every side would consider another side "evil" or "bad'.

[versuvius]

i consider everytinh over 5 foot 5 an enemy

[Gorrr]

I still think everyone is getting off topic .. its not about good or evil .. or even right or wrong. I dont care how just and virtuous the chaos THINK they are being. The question of the thread was 'nice'. Pestilence and diseases .. no matter how right nurgle may think it is .. isnt nice. Building a throne of skulls .. no matter how asthetically pleasing Khorne may find it .. not nice. Causing extasy laden madness and sensation at the cost of everything else ..may FEEL nice .. but its not.. so no to Slaanesh. And Tzeentch is just too alien to be concidered in any way nice. Can chaos emulate kindness .. yes ..but there intentions will never be truly kind. Chaos may be good .. it may be GREAT in fact ..but nice isnt chaos. Ask yourself would you let Grandpa Nurgle babyset your kid for a night, or Slaanesh date you daughter? I think that makes my point. :D
Sorry but that's what you think.As i understand what you are trying to say,your definition of "nice" is pretty much "good".The question is,what IS "NICE"?!
If "nice" means things that are nice to you,then all you said can be wrong.There is no general description of "nice".Probably the most used understanding of 'nice' would come from Christian culture but not everyone is christian so everyone has their own opinions.
I would say that "nice' means something that's nice to yourself but it's just me.

[Gorrr]

i consider everytinh over 5 foot 5 an enemy
go kill em all (or should i say go die trying to kill them all)

[versuvius]

ok ill find the definition of nice brb

bugger all crap

[Gorrr]

are both your faces arguing again...
not really...i never let the second face talk-i talk,it eats.

[versuvius]

i see...well i should give it a gaffa taping if i were you

[Gorrr]

ok ill find the definition of nice brb

bugger all crap
hehe i know the defenition of "nice" as a WORD but i believe that no adjectives are 100% true.That's how you look at them.
You could say that death is "bad' but death is a natural process that is needed for nature to create food/resources for other creatures and not make the planet over-populated.
(and right now by overpopulated i mean everyone standing on each other's head.)
You could say the same thing about life/anything you want.

[Gorrr]

i see...well i should give it a gaffa taping if i were you
Well i m outta here =/ gotta talk with my second head for a while.

[Stingray]

Being nice as Chaos at most should be: Here is a good sword... now go chop off some empire heads for the glory of the dark gods.

Or here is a blessing so you can continue killing for the dark gods.

So to a point they can be "nice" but the end goal of the niceness is for someone to die so no not going to be any nice chaos..

[XShrike]

It could be possible for Tzeentch for some reason to command or make a follower be nice. Isn't there a Tzeentch follower that spreads life every where he goes? Flowers spring up all around him and even if he kills you his gift can bring you back to life.

Considering how this game will be played you won't be able to play let alone RP a so called "nice" follower of Chaos.

[Rotgut_Eadsmasha]

It could be possible for Tzeentch for some reason to command or make a follower be nice. Isn't there a Tzeentch follower that spreads life every where he goes? Flowers spring up all around him and even if he kills you his gift can bring you back to life.

While the gift itself is "nice" it(the niceness) is completely negated by the fact the person who has the gift is a completely insane killing machine with no pity or remorse.

[Krulltak]

While the gift itself is "nice" it(the niceness) is completely negated by the fact the person who has the gift is a completely insane killing machine with no pity or remorse.

One problem though, you are assuming he has no pity or remorse. You can't assume in this conversation, only state facts!

[Rotgut_Eadsmasha]

No, I'm pretty sure Aekold Helbrass much doesn't care about who he kills are has killed.

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/hordesofchaos/gaming/specialcharacters/aekold.htm


Aekold Helbrass, Champion of Tzeentch, bears a most unusual gift – the gift that is known as the Breath of Life. Where Aekold walks, the grass springs green and meadow flowers blossom. When he walks upon desert sands and stony rocks, the land bursts into life as he passes.

Any living thing he touches springs into new and vigorous growth. The long-dead wood of doors and staves takes root upon his touch. His touch can restore to health creatures that are on the threshold of death, for such is the power of the Breath of Life. His touch is as indiscriminate as it is potent, behind him he leaves a trail of new life and everything he touches is affected.

While life giving is the gift of Aekold, he slays his opponents without pity or care for their life, for he knows all life is but an endless dance of change, dictated by Tzeentch, the Master of Fate.

[Krulltak]

True, but he doesn't represent every kaos follower. However, followers of chaos generally.......aren't very nice, that there is fact.

[Stingray]

Chaos are humans who have given themselves over to corruption for the love of power, lust, survival, etc etc... In other words they put themselves first not thinking about others at all. I simply don't think a Chaos person could be good...

[Krulltak]

Chaos are humans who have given themselves over to corruption for the love of power, lust, survival, etc etc... In other words they put themselves first not thinking about others at all. I simply don't think a Chaos person could be good...


There are some Imperials who, realizing how freakin messed up the Empire is, and how corrupted the government is, turn to the powers of chaos to attempt to help the Empire, not that it ends in a good way though, but that is being 'nice'.

[versuvius]

chaos canot be good...chaos is the manifestation of all the negative feelings and actions of all sentient beings therefore chaos is negative...the same as bloody opposite of nice, the few chaos mutated who rebel againts the chaos (some psykers) are just freaks of choas (freaks of nature but chaos)

[spirit]

chaos canot be good...chaos is the manifestation of all the negative feelings and actions of all sentient beings therefore chaos is negative...the same as bloody opposite of nice, the few chaos mutated who rebel againts the chaos (some psykers) are just freaks of choas (freaks of nature but chaos)

No, Chaos is the manifestation of ALL the feelings and actions of sentient beings. Not just the negative ones. Any desire for change fuels the changer of ways. Any lust for pleasure fuels the dark prince.

Chaos is not good or evil, if you look at that you are on the wrong spectrum. Chaos is on the Chaos vs Law spectrum, not the Good vs Evil spectrum.

[J_Heldenhammer]

Chaos is not good or evil, if you look at that you are on the wrong spectrum. Chaos is on the Chaos vs Law spectrum, not the Good vs Evil spectrum.

So true, never played a hardcore RPG before? :P

[versuvius]

ah...i see...well iv never been on anything so deep other than lotr...which iv spent longer with...ah well im learning...i think

[Arceaus]

Craaaaaaawling in my skiiiiiiiin...
*Cuts self and sniffles* Blood for the Blood God :(

This was the funniest thing I have seen all day. something about the Linkin Park reference and the thought of an emo chao denizen tickled me and I have tears in my eyes from laughing.

And for my own 2 cents, I think the whole point of chaos is it changes 'nice; and 'good' to what the subjective chaos god is influencing them to feel is 'nice' and 'good'. I dont think any denizens of chaos, think they are bad. If anyhting they see themselves as more enlightened and above conventional morality. It just so happens that this morality, as iinspired by this god, doesnt fit those not a part of it.

Interesting debate though.

[versuvius]

this goes back to the good and nice are just points of view

[Insomnium138]

Depends on your defintion of nice is, If Grabbing your enemy and ripping him in half and then bathing in his blood for all of his buddies to see, then yes! Other wise probably not. :???:

[Anklebiter]

Yeah, Chaos is supposed to be random by definition, right?

So when your big badass Chosen avatar is about to kill an Empire pansy and you press the hotkey for the finishing move, he might drop his sword and give the Empire dude a big hug instead.

Or not. :p

[Krulltak]

Yeah, Chaos is supposed to be random by definition, right?

So when your big badass Chosen avatar is about to kill an Empire pansy and you press the hotkey for the finishing move, he might drop his sword and give the Empire dude a big hug instead.

Or not. :p


Well, no, he won't hug him because

1- Randomness causes the human mind to go insane, so chaos followers are often devoid of rational thought such as letteting the enemy live and taking POWS.

2- Religious Fanatics NEVER let the enemy live......peacfully anyway.

[Boulvae]

The end of yourself is not nice, but the personal goals of some of those followers are "nice". the gift of life guy has a "nice" gift but let me tell you he ain't nice.

I've already said how chaos can be considered "nice", i'll just say that those who have lost their minds are no longer in the right or wrong, they are always in both. (wether you have your soul or not.)

[Doomhowl]

"nice" Chaos will split you into two pieces on the battlefield. The other Chaos will split you into two then devour your soul for an enternity of suffering.

[Baron of Chaos]

Why would anyone want to be nice!?

[Waynolt]

Define good. Seriously, there is no such thing as good and evil. It's all about the point of view.

[Ralzar]

Define good. Seriously, there is no such thing as good and evil. It's all about the point of view.

"Is Chaos Evil?".. Round 6... FIGHT! :D

[Waynolt]

"Is Chaos Evil?".. Round 6... FIGHT! :D

Dude listen up, Chaos is like a way of life, dude. It's not all about killin' n' stuff, it's all about that feeling, dude! Dude, it's like, you know, doing something you're not allowed to do n' . It's that rebel kind of thing, dude. You know dude, kinda :" Open the cage, let the animals out!" You know dude, it's that feelin' dude. Dude, it's kinda kissin' some chick for the first time. That's Chaos, dude! Dude, you have no idea what to do, but it's exciting dude, and it's over too fast. Now that's Chaos, dude.

[Nerothos]

Khrone worshippers play chess! The pieces have spikes on the bottom which are used in the stabbing motion every time one of your pieces are captured. THe king model is also placed on your head, so when you lose it...

You can fill in the rest. :P

[versuvius]

i think all of you are idiots...chaos was put in warhammer to be the common enemy like the orks...just always there and always ready to kick arse...there is no speculation about it...even on the GW home site one of the first words in the first sentences is evil...

[desertfox]

Fire gives us warmth and protection, than is fire evil when it burns down a house?

Water sustains life, than is water evil when a village is flooded?

Chaos is not evil, Chaos is just a part of this world. The word "evil" is only given to Chaos by the mindless peasants of the Empire who doesnt understand the true meaning of life.

[versuvius]

youll get the meaning of my bootprint on yer arse...

[Laser]

wow this is my best thread! but probaly for the wrong reasons :twisted:

The chaos gods are indeed evil to everyone but the followers but the pitiful mortals try and think they are doing the right thing.I mean reading about the chaos armies are just on a crusade like the holy grail knights and the great crusades of Cathay but with more randomness

and if you think about it ulric and sigmar have things that the blood god have i.e fanatics who run into combat in a huge frenzy

[Veilside]

yes it IS possibly for chaos to be nice because "good" and "evil" aren't set in stone but merely depend on an individuals opinion of what is good and bad. In the eyes of the worshippers of chaos the things they do aren't evil, they're good.

[Kutulu]

yes it IS possibly for chaos to be nice because "good" and "evil" aren't set in stone but merely depend on an individuals opinion of what is good and bad. In the eyes of the worshippers of chaos the things they do aren't evil, they're good.

You've made a leap in your argument by assuming nice=good. You say chaos can't be nice, and then go on to talk about good and evil. What has nice got to do with good and evil?


Maybe good people don't have to be nice. Maybe followers of chaos consider themselves to be good, but would laugh at anyone who showed a weakness of being too nice.

[Veilside]

You've made a leap in your argument by assuming nice=good. You say chaos can't be nice, and then go on to talk about good and evil. What has nice got to do with good and evil?


Maybe good people don't have to be nice. Maybe followers of chaos consider themselves to be good, but would laugh at anyone who showed a weakness of being too nice.

I never said that chaos can't be nice, infact i said the complete opposite. However a "nice" or "bad" action is completely dependent upon the individuals morality and as such it draws parallels with "good" and "evil".
A slaanesh champion may thing he's doing someone a "nice" deed by torturing them because he's making them feel certain things which he thinks are "good".

[desertfox]

Yes of course Chaos can be good.

And yes we can all go around kissing puppies, hugging and kiss everyone we see. And we can all prance around in flower fields, and we can all dance around in ballerina tu-tus.

But we dont choose to, we like to go around killing puppies, and we go around chopping people's head off.

[Nerror]

But we dont choose to, we like to go around killing pupes, and we go around chopping people's head off.

And that's good.

[Aleksei]

And that's good.

No, it's great!

[Gorge]

No, it's great!

No, it's WAR!

[Aleksei]

No, it's WAR!

It's WAR and it's great!

[jimthegray]

Slannesh starts off good, then next thing you know your going all hentai with your siser in law.

[Bingo]

Nice implies mercy and compassion, that which you have abandoned long ago for thine own selfish pleasures. Believe me, I know the meaning of nice, almost a pity you will never receive any mercy or compassion of my blade and bullet.

[Killmojo]

Is it possible for a "nice"chaos?

LIke Korne instead of hacking and killing for there gods favor beats people at chess for there goods favor?

Or Slannesh getting pleasure out of giving gifts and being kind?

Not sure about tzeentch or nurgle any suggestions?

...yes

In a certain fuzzy kind of logic. Chaos is not evil by default, it is chaotic and random. I cant think of anything more random than a black knight of death cuddling a bunny.

[Oasis]

hmm considering the chaos gods are CHAOS i doubt it besides they get free beer to do this crap i dont know who wouldnt kill or give people sars

[Elku]

Chess and Khrone can work very well, put a few heretics as pawns, then put a warrior as king, when one pawn beats the other he can hack him down! Ah i can see it now!

[versuvius]

ok who here sees khorne as a nice person. even other chaos warriors see khorne as a bloodthirsty idiot that would kill you and not ask questions later

[Haux]

Look at the name "Chaos" and you have your anwser. We are ment to raise chaos and wreak hell & destruction.

[Arijharn]

But Chaos also battles against what wishes to get rid of them(even if it is impossible) do they not?



So you're saying Chaos fights for self-preservation? o.0

That it invades the Empire because the best defense is a good offense?

i dont see anything "nice" in ressrecting your enemy.
Killing your enemy really fast and savagely would be nice.For them and for you.
For them,they wont have to fight you anymore and slowly decay-they will die fast (and hopefully not very painfully).
For you,you just killed your enemy!


In 5th Edition, Chaos had a hero called 'Count Mordrek The Damned'. Although the character never got a miniature he is quoted as saying:
I have no right to pray for White Sigmar any more, but from the Daemons guarding the gateway to the Realm of Chaos, I ask for your deliverance. Rest now, sleep for eternity. You are now free of the withering clouds of war.

- Count Mordrek the Damned, to a dying Reiksguard Knight


Although I don't see a Chaos follower sitting down for tea and crumpets with his mates at a lavish picnic in the countryside, I can see him pitching in and aiding his allies if they need it. I can see a Chaos follower killing an injured passerby because it would be far crueller to let him live. I can see a Chaos follower handing a weapon to a fallen combatant to make the killing blow.

[Nurglewilldestroyyou]

No OP, not at all.

A "nice" chaos is to,

Tall Skinny Dwarves
Fat Intoxicated Hairy Elves
Orcs and Goblins with no shades of green skin whatsoever that sing songs while they tend the forest

[Arijharn]

Orcs and Goblins with no shades of green skin whatsoever that sing songs while they tend the forest



Heh, so you mean a Wood Elf? ;)

[Pugslah]

Tzeentch represents hope, change, optimism, and adaptation


wouldnt that make him a good choice for a "good" Chao god

[versuvius]

he also represents beaks, extra arms and 4 arses

[Ralzar]

he also represents beaks, extra arms and 4 arses

I think some extra arms would be pretty nice...

[versuvius]

anyway te only "good chaos" are the holy defiance legion...they went chaos but saw they were getting too nuts, and because space marines wouldnt take em back they made a resistance and kill all chaos. Ok nice chaos is a minority

[Krulltak]

Tzeentch represents hope, change, optimism, and adaptation


wouldnt that make him a good choice for a "good" Chao god


And Slaanesh represents love, and Nurgle represents tradition.


Nothing good to say aout Khorne though.

[Taurth]

I'd say the only nice Chaos god is Grandfather Nurgle, because he cares for his victims, but not only that, he opens their eyes to the mockery of life, and the fact that all things will die and decay, and makes them learn to accept that.
A lot of Nurgle followers are happy once they have accepted the plague, and they see it as a good thing, and really if everyone were infected by Nurgles plagues, they would all accept death and not despair it. So maybe the fact that they are given a plague or disease is bad, but I think Nurgle has the best intent, and a lot of his followers end up greatfull for it too.

[Kruniac]

Is it possible for a "nice"chaos?

LIke Korne instead of hacking and killing for there gods favor beats people at chess for there goods favor?

Or Slannesh getting pleasure out of giving gifts and being kind?

Not sure about tzeentch or nurgle any suggestions?

Ill enjoy ripping out your lungs, only to ejaculate into them, then give them to your family.

Dwarves are amusing.

[Ichorbog]

Well, I guess spreading herpes would make Nurgle happy.

[Kruniac]

Well, I guess spreading herpes would make Nurgle happy.

In theory, playing Mortal Kombat and using excessive Fatalities would make Khorne happy, right? :P

[Krulltak]

In theory, playing Mortal Kombat and using excessive Fatalities would make Khorne happy, right? :P


Video games are for the weak, and no real blood is spilt in them, so Khorne would be highly dissapointed with you for not spreading real violence.

[Kruniac]

Video games are for the weak, and no real blood is spilt in them, so Khorne would be highly dissapointed with you for not spreading real violence.

Im ashamed. Let me kill my wife to compensate.

[Atavistic]

slaanesh... anyone notice the first part of the word is slaan? anyway if you have to fall to chaos either go the whole way and get undivided or just choose slaanesh, afterall humans are such weak creatures and easily fall prey to the temptations of the flesh, not that thats a bad thing.....

[Fusko]

Uhhhhh... how did this thread get to 11 pages? The initial question was answered at the 4th post, I don't mean to be a killjoy, but what is there more to talk about? O_o

[Arijharn]

Uhhhhh... how did this thread get to 11 pages? The initial question was answered at the 4th post, I don't mean to be a killjoy, but what is there more to talk about? O_o

Oh, it's all about thread de-railment now.

[Krulltak]

War is peace......


.........and chaos is control.