the zealot

[HNV]

what kind of class will it be heavy caster? or both melee and caster?
will it have healing powers?

[motions360]

Birds, he will kill people with birds, lol:confused:

[Kharlene]

The Birds... funniest... movie... ever...





even though it wasn't meant to be :rolleyes:

[Vash108]

Sounds a bit like a summoning class to me with probably some healing. A bit like the Cabalist maybe.

[doomy]

Cool looking class, but I'm sticking with the Magus :)

[parabola]

I have an urge to go watch The Crow.

[Nerror]

Here's what Paul said:

"What is the Zealot? The Zealot is about religious fever. He is all about the Bird God, and believing in the Bird God 100%. He’s about calling down birds and these enormous scare crow totems. He’s about building the faith towards Tzeentch, and he’s about drawing forth the Chaos out of the Chaos Aethyr into the modern world and ripping things to pieces by the use of birds. It’s beaks, it’s feathers, it’s death, it’s destruction. The Zealot is the healer / aggressive combat spellcaster of Chaos."

And it's a new class thought up by Games Workshop and presented to Mythic.

It looks really cool to me, tbh. Shamanistic and very Tzeentchy.

[Frei]

Here's what Paul said:

"What is the Zealot? The Zealot is about religious fever. He is all about the Bird God, and believe me, the Bird God 100%. He’s about calling down birds and these enormous scare crow totems. He’s about building the faith towards Tzeentch, and he’s about drawing forth the Chaos out of the Chaos Aethyr into the modern world and ripping things to pieces by the use of birds. It’s beaks, it’s feathers, it’s death, it’s destruction. The Zealot is the healer / aggressive combat spellcaster of Chaos."

And it's a new class thought up by Games Workshop and presented to Mythic.

It looks really cool to me, tbh. Shamanistic and very Tzeentchy.

I got same impression and I will probably pick this as the first class I try when it comes out. That or Chosen... decisions...

[Chilltouch]

They're focusing a bit too much on the Bird aspect of Tzeentch for my liking.

[checkthis5000]

They're focusing a bit too much on the Bird aspect of Tzeentch for my liking.


I went back and looked at the Tzeentch miniatures, and the miniatures really focus on the Birds stuff too. The Champion of Tzeentch practically is a bird, and his familiar is also a bird, I think that the focus of the lore about Tzeentch strays from the icons and into the actions that they have which are about changing fate/time/space/etc.

The icons of Tzeentch are very bird-related.

I do hope that the 4th class makes use of the fate/time/space/etc. kind of stuff as opposed to birds, but I'm almost betting it's going to be a Marauder type of melee damage dealer.

[vehemoth]

Birds, he will kill people with birds, lol:confused:

Birds are symbolic of Tzeench. The birds that come down are not just any birds. They are formed from the spiritual energies of chaos and are summoned to destroy heretics. The zealot is very similar to a celtic druid.

[MachiavelliDisciple]

Birds are generally Tzeentchian, yes. However all this talk of ravens and crows sound distinctly Nurgle-ish to me. After all he is often purported as a dead, rotting crow by the more shamanistic of his followers.

[spirit]

They're focusing a bit too much on the Bird aspect of Tzeentch for my liking.

It is because the norsemen who they are focusing on for the other 2 classes are those who worship Tzeentch in the aspect of Tchar- the bird god. As such, they will focus on brid-like aspects of tzeentch, rather than the "aaaaaaagh tentacles everywhere" aspect.

[Vervayne]

This will be my first choice for classes. :)
I've been waiting a long time to see the Chaos healer!!
It will probably be more squishy than I like but time to try something new.

It sounds very shaman-istic to me, as in compared to WoW's shaman.

[Azrayne2.0]

Sounds a bit like a summoning class to me with probably some healing. A bit like the Cabalist maybe.


Theurgist is more what came to mind for me, sounds like a pet spam class with healing.

Actually looks like a really cool idea, I wonder what they'll come up with for #4.

Does anyone else find it odd that Destruction now has 2 pet classes, and Order has 0? Hopefully High Elves will get at least one.

[Commentaris]

Here's what Paul said:

"What is the Zealot? The Zealot is about religious fever. He is all about the Bird God, and believe me, the Bird God 100%. He’s about calling down birds and these enormous scare crow totems. He’s about building the faith towards Tzeentch, and he’s about drawing forth the Chaos out of the Chaos Aethyr into the modern world and ripping things to pieces by the use of birds. It’s beaks, it’s feathers, it’s death, it’s destruction. The Zealot is the healer / aggressive combat spellcaster of Chaos."

so what do we have here.
- he calls down birds.
I'm thinking these wont be true pets, like the squighunter 'has. i see them more as a swarm that the zealot doesn;t have direct control over. or it could be just flashing lights and a fancy name to describe the way his spells work, ie to-hit debuff by sommuning a swarm of birds to pester your enemies.

- scare crow totems.
either these are buff totems (see WoW shaman) or they are CC abilities. a scare crow causes fear?

- building faith to Tzeentch.
faith = morale? if not, this could be the way the zealot buffs his allies

- healer
he's specifically called the chaos healing class, but it's still a mystery to me how he heals people. i cant see any bird-related heal spell, but perhaps this is where 'faith' comes into the picture.

- aggresive combat spellcaster
he's a spellcaster, definitely not a melee career then.
he's agressive, well duh.
the addition of the word 'combat' suggest to me that he wont spend much time healing and most of the time he's annoying the enemy with his birds and totems. but is this the extent of his magical powers or could he have some more tricks up his sleeve?

all in all, a very interesting class. might well be the first class i create

[Vervayne]

so what do we have here.
- he calls down birds.
I'm thinking these wont be true pets, like the squighunter 'has. i see them more as a swarm that the zealot doesn;t have direct control over. or it could be just flashing lights and a fancy name to describe the way his spells work, ie to-hit debuff by sommuning a swarm of birds to pester your enemies.

- scare crow totems.
either these are buff totems (see WoW shaman) or they are CC abilities. a scare crow causes fear?

- building faith to Tzeentch.
faith = morale? if not, this could be the way the zealot buffs his allies

- healer
he's specifically called the chaos healing class, but it's still a mystery to me how he heals people. i cant see any bird-related heal spell, but perhaps this is where 'faith' comes into the picture.

- aggresive combat spellcaster
he's a spellcaster, definitely not a melee career then.
he's agressive, well duh.
the addition of the word 'combat' suggest to me that he wont spend much time healing and most of the time he's annoying the enemy with his birds and totems. but is this the extent of his magical powers or could he have some more tricks up his sleeve?

all in all, a very interesting class. might well be the first class i create


He's 'drawing forth the Chaos'...ripping things to shreds using the birds. There's your offensive spells.

Birds don't like scarecrows, so why would he call down birds and scarecrow totems? Seems odd to me. Maybe the birds come down and rest on the totems. Maybe he uses them to control the birds somehow. Either way, it doesn't really sound like CC. =/

The 'building faith' part of his role probably is what involves healing, and maybe buffing abilities as well.

[Commentaris]

He's 'drawing forth the Chaos'...ripping things to shreds using the birds. There's your offensive spells.

yeah i figured that. guess i'm wondering if that's 'all' they'll get in terms of spells. there's only so many spells and effects you can dream up using birds.

the scarecrow thing really has me puzzled. you make a good point about birds and scarecrows nit mixing very well. odd indeed

[The_Deadpool]

Unfortunately, this just sounds like another damage-dealer type of caster for Chaos. That makes two, which generally means that one of the other is going to be considered 'cooler' or 'more useful' and rolled because it has the exact same position as the other but can do more.

Sounds sort of lame, imo, but I guess I'll reserve judgement for later. I just don't like the idea of two damage-dealing casters for one side, especially Chaos. Chaos is more about up in your face and brutal.. not half-naked shamans.. and even when they are half-naked.. they at least have some kind of skill with melee.

Disappointing to see that they're making a stereotypical sort of caster class for a very non-stereotypical race.. but I guess that's how it goes.

[ClownSt0pper]

Unfortunately, this just sounds like another damage-dealer type of caster for Chaos. That makes two, which generally means that one of the other is going to be considered 'cooler' or 'more useful' and rolled because it has the exact same position as the other but can do more.

Sounds sort of lame, imo, but I guess I'll reserve judgement for later. I just don't like the idea of two damage-dealing casters for one side, especially Chaos. Chaos is more about up in your face and brutal.. not half-naked shamans.. and even when they are half-naked.. they at least have some kind of skill with melee.

Disappointing to see that they're making a stereotypical sort of caster class for a very non-stereotypical race.. but I guess that's how it goes.

how can you make such a judgement when you dont actually have any idea on how the class will physically work.

[Nerror]

Whoopsie, it's "and believing in the Bird God 100%" not "and believe me the Bird God 100%" Not that it changes much. :)

[The_Deadpool]

how can you make such a judgement when you dont actually have any idea on how the class will physically work.

Apparently it's going to work as a very light DPS and a healer. :confused:

At least, that's what everyone I have seen discussing it has upheld as what the class is going to be. Personally haven't watched the video interview, but I'm lazy.

[Vervayne]

Apparently it's going to work as a very light DPS and a healer. :confused:

At least, that's what everyone I have seen discussing it has upheld as what the class is going to be. Personally haven't watched the video interview, but I'm lazy.

You haven't even seen the video and you've already decided how the class is going to work? That's brilliant.

It doesn't sound anything like what you described. First of all, the class has healing abilities. That alone makes it not like your average spellcaster.
Secondly, we have zero evidence that this class will be anything like the Magus.
You're simply jumping to conclusions based on basically no evidence. lol

[vehemoth]

Think all round caster type similar to the gobbo shaman or the runepriest. This is different than lets say the Bright wizard or Magus who are primarily about nuking.

[AlltheMyriadWays]

It's my suspicion that it will operate on the basis of death-by-a-thousand-cuts. Damage over time, debuffs, disruption and keeping your allies going with healing will ensure that the enemy will lose in a battle of attrition, or just plain die faster.

[Lord Semaj]

Shadow Priest! Only replace the Pain spell with Murder of Crows.

[Commentaris]

Unfortunately, this just sounds like another damage-dealer type of caster for Chaos. That makes two, which generally means that one of the other is going to be considered 'cooler' or 'more useful' and rolled because it has the exact same position as the other but can do more.

Sounds sort of lame, imo, but I guess I'll reserve judgement for later. I just don't like the idea of two damage-dealing casters for one side, especially Chaos. Chaos is more about up in your face and brutal.. not half-naked shamans.. and even when they are half-naked.. they at least have some kind of skill with melee.

Disappointing to see that they're making a stereotypical sort of caster class for a very non-stereotypical race.. but I guess that's how it goes.

Apparently it's going to work as a very light DPS and a healer. :confused:


so we have a magus (DPS caster, rides on a disk, throws fireballs and lightning) and a Zealot (support caster/healer, calls down flocks of birds). how is that filling the exact same position? on top of that how you can say that the zealot is stereotypical caster. the career was invented especially for WAR. it's brand spanking new.

as for the melee thing. you realise we'll be playing as part of a Tzeentch warhost, right? you know what Tzeentch is mostly known for, yeah?

[The_Deadpool]

so we have a magus (DPS caster, rides on a disk, throws fireballs and lightning) and a Zealot (support caster/healer, calls down flocks of birds). how is that filling the exact same position? on top of that how you can say that the zealot is stereotypical caster. the career was invented especially for WAR. it's brand spanking new.

as for the melee thing. you realise we'll be playing as part of a Tzeentch warhost, right? you know what Tzeentch is mostly known for, yeah?

Tzeentch is known for Change. Not magic. Yes, he takes advantage of magic users much more than the other three Gods, but he's not the "Magic God". Also, considering they are both going to do alot of DPS-ing.. what's the point? One's a DPS-er and one's a DPS-er and a healer. Why would you want to be a regular DPS-er when you could do both efficiently? That's how they're filling the exact same position.

Also, it is a stereotypical caster. Lightly ordained, seemingly not going to be able to do much in the way of melee. Strictly magic but without much in the way of twists such as being able to melee as well or being able to wear heavier armour (like the Magus) Basically, it looks like a punching bag.

[The_Deadpool]

You haven't even seen the video and you've already decided how the class is going to work? That's brilliant.

It doesn't sound anything like what you described. First of all, the class has healing abilities. That alone makes it not like your average spellcaster.
Secondly, we have zero evidence that this class will be anything like the Magus.
You're simply jumping to conclusions based on basically no evidence. lol

Besides the fact that it's going to be a DPS-er and a light healer. I don't have to watch the video when people spell it out for me or give the descriptions he gives them in the video. Shadow Priest, Defiler.. hell, I can think of plenty of classes that have healing/DPS-ing abilities.

[AlltheMyriadWays]

Also, it is a stereotypical caster. Lightly ordained, seemingly not going to be able to do much in the way of melee. Strictly magic but without much in the way of twists such as being able to melee as well or being able to wear heavier armour (like the Magus) Basically, it looks like a punching bag.

God forbid WAR actually do something traditional! A caster not in full plate?! Holy cow, what an affront to my tastes. :rolleyes:

It's one caster that wears primarily robes and lacks melee abilities. Yes, we've all seen that basic premise done before, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it especially since they have come up with a creative way for it to manifest its magic. Why don't you complain about the Magus not breaking the stereotypical use of the term "Mage" to describe a caster, and the stereotypical use of arcane magic to nuke? Or how about the stereotype of dwarves wielding hammers and axes and using runes? Or how about the stereotype of Orcs being big green brutes?

It's absurd in a franchise of fantasy to expect anything that doesn't conform to some stereotype or another on some basic level. You'll hardly ever find a cake that has an utterly different structure, but you will find cakes that have utterly different frosting decoration. The Zealot's frosting is perfectly original and far from stereotypical.

[Redguard]

I don't understand what difference it makes if there are two casters in the same race. Think of the characters in terms of their role, rather than what they do. Just because they both cast spells doesn't mean they're the same. You say that mafus will be worthless because all he does is DPS whereas the Zealot can heal and do DPS. So then does that also imply that the Squig herder is worthless since all he can do is DPS, which is what the shaman can do with heals in addition. The Zealot can DPS sure, but i can only assume that the Magus will be able to DPS better... Plus im sure the Magus won't simply be limited to DPSing, he will surely have CC and other offensive abilities that are unavailable to the Zealot.

[Commentaris]

Also, it is a stereotypical caster. Lightly ordained, seemingly not going to be able to do much in the way of melee. Strictly magic but without much in the way of twists such as being able to melee as well or being able to wear heavier armour (like the Magus) Basically, it looks like a punching bag.
and the chosen is a stereotypical melee. clad in plate, swings a big weapon. as is the black orc, iron breaker and knight.

the choppa is stereotypical for light melee, medium amrour, dual wield

shaman, light armour, caster..you guessd it.

runepriest, warrior priest, medium armour, some buffs...yup, stereotypical class again.

squighunter, ranged dps and a pet ... never seen that before

lets face it, just about every class has been done to death if you break them down to their essentials.

edit: also, you dont need to be able to melee in order not to be a punching bag.

[Ralzar]

Tzeentch is known for Change. Not magic. Yes, he takes advantage of magic users much more than the other three Gods, but he's not the "Magic God". Also, considering they are both going to do alot of DPS-ing.. what's the point? One's a DPS-er and one's a DPS-er and a healer. Why would you want to be a regular DPS-er when you could do both efficiently? That's how they're filling the exact same position.


I seem to remember one of Tzeenchs many names being "The Great Sorceror".

[Estebar]

Tzeentch is known for Change. Not magic. Magic is change. In the Warhammer universe, magic is the art by which someone manipulates the Chaotic energies blowing into the mortal realm, which alter its physical attributes. Hence the creation of Beastmen.

[Lord Semaj]

Not to mention a 40k unit entirely equipped with the Mark of Tzeentch becomes a pack of vicious sorcerers.

[Ashbringer]

Zealots are awesome.. but I still can't decide which Chaos class I would pick... Perhaps the fourth one if it becomes a Melee DPS Class. But the Magus is awesome too because of his disk.. arrr.. it's so friggin' hard. :cool:

The coolest thing about Zealots will be that they can cast this army of bird on their enemies which then destroy them from above.. hehe.. GW did a great job here. Hope it'll be released for the TT, too.

[Black Razor]

To me ..and this is toootally guessing from what I saw in the video .. this class will be about DOT (I am guessing the birds wont be direct damage but a damage over time thing ..imagine a bunch of birds pecking you to death), and support role .. light healing but possibly buffing (The scarescrow totems inspiring those around them.. after all all chaos players are Tzeentch worshipers) or CC in the form of totems either disheartening opponents or possibly even causing fear. In any case this definatly sounds like the most interesting chaos profession so far and I will no doubt have one as an alt.

[Krulltak]

They're focusing a bit too much on the Bird aspect of Tzeentch for my liking.

It's not so much a bird aspect as a way the norsemen personify Tzeentch as Tzar, the Great Eagle...or somtin like dat.

I'm personally lookin forward to this class as an alt. The idea of playin some barberous human shaman has always been appealing to me.

[AlienOverlord]

I'm going to try the class but I have to admit this is probably the first one that has been released where I have some doubts.

Not on the basic concept of a healing/aggressive caster but on the design. It's great GW created the concept for WAR but maybe it's because the class isn't based on existing IP that it feels kind of contrived.

All the other classes have piqued my interest but I look at zealots and it seems like they're going for the 'Bald relgiious fanatic' schtick which should exclusively belong to priests of Sigmar :) Maybe I just feel that they should stick to Chaos being heavily armored like the Tank and Caster classes.

But we only have a couple of concept artwork images to go on. Who knows how things will evolve?

[Black Razor]

Actually you know what I think of when I see Zealot? One of the germanic peoples .. I forgot who it was .. had these fanatics amongst them .. a sect of druids that would flay people out and spill there entrails to auger the future in them .. they to worshiped the symbol of the raven (though for them it was a crow).. sounds pretty much just like our zealots huh?

[Commentaris]

druids are more of a celtic thing, not germanic. but you're right in that the raven was a symbol of Odin, the chief deity who had the gift of foresight and was the god of magic amongst other things.

[Oddeye]

Tentacles NOT Birds. End of story.

[NoneSuch]

Tentacles NOT Birds. End of story.

*cough* slannesh *Cough*

[AlienOverlord]

Tentacles NOT Birds. End of story.
Slaneesh or not, I'd like to see tentacles over feathers too. Tentacles are harder to animate though, and if the class is fun I could deal with the feathers.

[Guivert]

All the other classes have piqued my interest but I look at zealots and it seems like they're going for the 'Bald relgiious fanatic' schtick which should exclusively belong to priests of Sigmar :) Maybe I just feel that they should stick to Chaos being heavily armored like the Tank and Caster classes.

But we only have a couple of concept artwork images to go on. Who knows how things will evolve?

The first thing I thought of when I saw them was 'Chaos Cultist'. A 40k profile, sure (but a very familiar one to any DOW players), but it seems GW is bringing something like it to Fantasy.

Works for me. I think I'll end up making one, too. Hopefully some of them can have hair (I prefer being the hairy barbarian type), but on the other hand, no one can claim baldness as their very own.

[ClownSt0pper]

I love that all the idiots are arguing against this class when it has been created by Games Workshop.

You know, the people that thought the whole thing up...

[versuvius]

lol yeh...since when was chaos about healing...they have plenty of expendable beastment and chaos worshipers to be bothered about healing...the impertant chaos nights are self healing anyways so wahts the point...oh yeh .... STONE THE CROWS