Leveling Talisman Making

[Vaizard]

Does anyone find leveling this craft to be rather difficult? I think fragments need to be more easily attainable, because right now you're limited by the type of equipment you can salvage. At lower levels, it's basically impossible to find the green gear necessary to get a fragment, and then they made the failure rate on salvaging ridiculously high.

You currently can't salvage belts or accessories, which are some of the most common green items. You can't salvage white armor with stats on them. You can't get fragments from equipment unless they have multiple stats on them. This is tough to find consistently until later on in Tier 1. Then when you get to Tier 2 you start getting more equipment that you can get fragments from, but then the fragments you get are too high for you to use!

So here is the problem. As it stands right now Talisman Making will force players to either farm low level areas for green items, buy them from the renown armor merchant or Auction House for salvaging. Basically this craft is going to be exactly what Mark Jacobs said he wanted to get away from, which is a grind, and an expensive one at that. They need to add more material drops from mobs, make all equipment salvagable including white gear, and add talisman making materials (fragments, curios, etc.) to PQ loot bags.

I know this crafting profession was added on late, but with the way they've based armor and weapons around talisman slots, I think they should've put a lot more work into it. Most of the RvR gear was lowered in stats and given talisman slots to make up for it, but at the current state of Talisman Making, it's basically like having no slots at all.

[Creepir]

I found that buying the level 7 or 8 renoun gloves for 2s is the easiest way to get fragments. Though that can get real expensive real quick.

[Vaizard]

I found that buying the level 7 or 8 renoun gloves for 2s is the easiest way to get fragments. Though that can get real expensive real quick.

Yeah, that's what I was kind of afraid of. I think those early levels are going to be pretty brutal. I found by around rank 11 you get plenty of material from drops and quests to get fragments, but the fragments I'm getting require level 25 talisman making, which I'm nowhere near.

[CapnHulk]

Yeah, it's been pretty brutal. I may go back and buy some of the lower end gear, but I can't stand the high failure rate.

At least let me know what the failure rate is.

[Monkey Aids]

Yes i am facing the same problem.... makes me want to switch to apothecary >.<

[NativityInBlack]

Same, it's a terrible tradeskill, only Apothecary is working at retail imho. TM is to shut up the hardcore crafter with something to burn into.

[MrLonghair]

Talismanmaking and salvaging is disastrously bad and in my opinion should have been demoed and then "This will appear in a future content patch". It's quite clear it had no time for testing and was implemented late.

I took all greens from 1-12 in CE headstart made on one chara, salvaged the lot that was unbound, tens of items, made two fragments. Two points of Talisman. Then I realized I couldn't find either professions vendor in Altdorf.

It's not a money sink, it's being robbed of all your money and everything you wear and then putting you up on debt that you'll pay off until you die. I''m close to dropping my profs, taking salvaging to clean up the stuff in my bank that's soulbound, then goign scavenging+apothecary because that's the combo that doesn't make you want to cry.


Only way I see to level salvaging and talisman:
AE farm unpopulated lowlevel PQs, salvage and make talismans. For hours and hours and hours and days. And scavenge at the same time. Ugh

[Nightbringer1]

Scavange gives TM components, but not fragments that have seen so far. If they gave scavenging a chance of giving fragments it would not be so bad.

[loombut]

Scavange gives TM components, but not fragments that have seen so far. If they gave scavenging a chance of giving fragments it would not be so bad.


I ve scavanged a shard in open beta but it was at +15...I think the problem here lies with the lvl ranges and items, give the devs time to balance the professions...as it is, scavaging drowned you in components to TM and what is not needed is a money making upside by selling the materials/items...

As far as the failure rate, there is always a price to pay in any profession you begin to learn, think about it...where's the fun if it's handed to you on a platter, you may actually have to work for those bonuses, i think it's worth it and from this point it can only improve..

[Ravoner]

Magical not scavanger makes the shards. I found this out in the beta thanksfully.
just let some of your scavanger palls know to send you there talisman trinkets. This is working out pretty good.

[Drex]

My salvaging is up to 50, but I have only got 8 tier 1 fragments in that. The sad thing is I have 15 Tier 2 fragments already. Unfortunately people aren't selling crappy Tier 1 greens on the AH.

[Centuri]

You pretty much have to power level it now on reknown gear to get over 25 to be viable. You WILL out level tier 1 long before you have enough fragments to make 24 talismans to use T2 mats.

[GrStaKa]

I've had a real tough time with this too...

I salvaged 10 items before I got my first point. Furthermore, I got a stack of 3 ruined armor what evers.. the salvaging kind, not the repair kind, that are too high of level to salvage. I got em from the starting zones!

So.. I knew this was going to be a problem since beta and deemed my first toon to be a bright wizard for the aoe. My wife has a warrior priest, so we can dish out the hurt in pvp pretty well. We can't duo Lords, but we can take out most of the hero's etc.

Anyhow... I farmed the n00b dwarf zone last night for about an hour... in the hour I went from like 5-17 skill off items. I also helped a few people through 2 PQ's (that was worthless no items dropped) and gave away a lot of white gear to people rolling through the Kings Quest...

... thats a bad quest... 11 O'clock at night and there were tons of dwarves sprinting through trying to make it to the other side without having to fight for 10 minutes to hand in quests. I just lined up in front of them and AoE'd all the mobs down.

Worked out well.

[Modify]

Just started playing yesterday. I am not level 7. Have got my Talisman Making to level 5 now. I have only got 2 slavging items so far. The other 3 points was salvaging some of the Public Quest influence rewards.

Looks like I might have to buy renown gear and go broke. Not very happy with the profession so far. Will stick at it though.

[ela]

Where I can find the salvaging trainer?

[Lios]

Yeah its defiantly a money sink.. and then to top it off, the talismans i made at lower levels were timed, so they lasted a whole 8 hours, 2 days at best. I don't know if they are like this at higher levels, only time will tell.

[Anteaus]

This is definitely a slow skill to level up. Thanks to one of the previous posters for the tip about the Rank 7/8 renown gear. I'm going to have to give that a shot. It sure is going to take away from the money I'm saving up for my mount at rank 20. 30 gold just got a lot further away.

[Vondrack]

Its absurd because cultivating and apothecary stuff is rampant, i mean you can buy all ur components off of the vender. They just need to increase the fragment rate to the same rate of seeds and it be fine.

Vondrack

[Lios]

Its absurd because cultivating and apothecary stuff is rampant, i mean you can buy all ur components off of the vender. They just need to increase the fragment rate to the same rate of seeds and it be fine.

Vondrack


No, not really. Apothecary stuff does not affect the game the way talismans do. With Talismans you can create permanent stat bonuses and something like that, is going to be harder to level naturally. I'm not saying it doesn't need tweaked, but it defiantly does not need to be as frequent as seeds.

[Marcus_the_Black]

The trainers are called hedge wizards or something like that.

You can find them with the other trainers in most areas or in the main cities.

I hope that helps.

[Kellaris]

Where I can find the salvaging trainer?

Chapter 2 camp.

[WarlordBB]

Where do you get TM level 25 containers? Must you find these? I haven't seen or heard of a one...

I've got level 25 versions of all the other pieces except the containers...

This is a very frustrating skill.

[lochness]

I ended up buying stuffs from auction... still missing some lvl... Problem now is i'm getting 50 stuff...
My magic is high but still fail a lot :(
I probely make a noob just to get items to lvl up my talisman :(
Drops to littel in Tier 1 :(
Hope they do someting about it...
And why not get some talisman stuffs in PQ bags...
Only i se is cultivation and alch there....

[Butler]

Where do you get TM level 25 containers? Must you find these? I haven't seen or heard of a one...

I've got level 25 versions of all the other pieces except the containers...

This is a very frustrating skill.

If you do find out, or if anyone else knows, please do post it here.

[Lilljak]

Where can i find the low lvl gear ? 7-8 im lvl 17 atm can i go back and buy the low lvl gear and salvage them for fragment if so, can someone please tell me where?

[Mallorean]

You go back to the earlier renown merchants and buy the items. But they are like 7-8 silver a piece.

[Stantz]

I ALMOST dropped it cause I saw that everything I made only lasted for about 2 days, also, no one explains that you need to wait for the blue bar to fill up and then try to time it so your talisman crafts when its at its highest point, to get the green talismans. Took me 5 talismans before I figured that out....anyway, I heard the higher stuff is permanent so im sticking with it.

[sapling]

Did the price on renown gear go up? I'm at the lowbie renown merchant, but the gloves and boots are 7-9s each, no 2s?? :( This is in dwarf country.

Also I'm doing this on my alt.. a level 1 - it won't even let me purchase the green renown gear. I'm unclear why not, since it will let me purchase white gear for a higher rank, renown level, and diff class, but none of the green. Arg. :(

[Volumax]

Magical salvage should be a part of TM just as in WoW, when you learned enchanting you also got disenchant. Makes sense since salvage only benefits TM. This would also free a gatherer proffession slot needed for any of the others needed for TM. Scavenger would be best imho. TM relies on all other proffessions for even its lowest level items. Apothecary doesnt need any other proffessions for the low level potions. Packaging salvage with TM would go along way torwards addressing this imbalence without making it self sufficient and thus op in anyway.

[So1dier]

I have salvaged plenty of belts and accessories but it has seem like only about 15% of those items I can salvage at higher levels.

This profession is pretty inconsistent, as I have seen a weird variety of items I can't salvage that are weapons, gloves, helms, chests, etc.

I personally like that it is a slight challenge right now because it makes the profession a lot more unpopular and worth putting the effort forth to level it.



If you want my opinion you should go back at level 40 and solo all of the PQ's, you will be able to get green items like crazy and will be able to power level this profession.

[Hawke]

But didnt they make the drop chance way lower when you are high level (so you can't farm green ?). I'm only assuming, since it's working like that in almost every MMO, not xp / loot from gray monsters.

That said, I also think it's a pain to level. My talisman making is level 43.... and I raise one level every 2-3 talisman, wth, it's already hard enough to deal with the lack of essence (yes, I don't "really" need shards, I need essence) but then I don't level everytime ? Geez...

At least, I did a blue talisman +9 wounds for 5 days.... yay...

[Rorrk]

I am currently stuck at 48...and i have a Vault full of skill 50 stuff...any idea how i can get those 2 points? Thanks for any helpful answer!

Derbardin, Ironbreaker of the Nordsturm, Egrimm

[Maylan]

Where do you get TM level 25 containers? Must you find these? I haven't seen or heard of a one...

I've got level 25 versions of all the other pieces except the containers...

This is a very frustrating skill.


I never did figure this out either.. I was a magic salvager and tailisman making and my son was a scavenger. He gave me stuff he scavanged but I still ran into the gold essence issue. I finally make an alt to do apocathary so I could make my own gold essence. It appeared that all gold essence I made was skill 25 gold essence after it was made. Now I can't find any level 25 containers and my son's scavenger has yet to ever pick one up. We've gotten tons of curios though.

I've decided that crafting in this game is broken and I've given up on it. It's a shame too because in every MMO I've every played I've always dedicated myself to crafting and now a game that bragged it was going to have a great crafting system that is not a grind fest or a bore is the exact opposite of what they promised.

[Luxxor]

Regarding the higher lvl containers for Tailsman making:

http://www.wardb.com/search.aspx?search_text=relic+box

Looks like Tier 4 for the lvl 25 stuff...umkay.