Weakest Chaos God

[Captain Garro]

Which chaos god, in you're opinion is the weakest.

Imo, I think that Khorne is probably the weakest over all. He exists only to kill, and seems to have no motives at all besides war.

EDIT: Damn, the last one just lists Tzeentchs atributes and not his actual name. My bad.

[kushinagi]

Always considered them to be pretty equal.

[Black Razor]

Weakness is an abstract thing .. each god has stengths in different areas. However in overall power and domain its no dispute .. the books even say its Slaanesh.

[Oddeye]

Slannesh is the youngest of the 4 and the weakest though for a good reason.

It's pretty hard to dedicate your life to pure indulgence and mindless pleasure when all you have in the world is a slime covered rock and your future prospects are a take-your-pick of horrible and pointless ways to die, as is the case with 90% of the creatures of warhammer.

[greenmachine]

slaanesh apparently. only warhammer would have a god who seems to be all about sex and lots of drugs.

[khârn]

The answer is simple its that weird loser slaanesh! First of all it says it on the codex. It is also known that slaanesh is the youngest chaos god therefor people that really have slaaneshy qualities have only emerged for the past few thousand years. Plus i am a khorn fanatic so i hate slaanesh. Slaanesh sucks!

[Robjamysan]

In Slaanesh's defense, he is probably very strong when confronting mankind, tempting men by offering them their deepest desires . However, if the gods were to battle amongst themselves, Slaanesh is the weakest.

Oh, and as far as being youngest, that doesn't really matter. I recall a little old game called Diablo, in which the most powerful of the Three Prime Evils was the youngest brother.

(I hate Slaanesh, but I'm just playing the devil's advocate in an attempt to balance the argument)

[ChaosDreamer]

Tzeentch was the first, and is the weaver of fates.

Nurgle is the embodiment of decay, as long as Tzeentch is around so shall Nurgle.

Khorne is the embodiment of human rage, hatred, ect... Aslong as humans are around so shall he, and with more and more humans his power grows. There is also talk of Khorne being Khaine, though i doubt this.

Slaanesh was born of the elves and is the main reason why they are near the end of their time. He is powerful, but still weak compared to the other gods.

[Immortalis]

Khorne is NOT Khaine. There is no such thing as Khaine-on-the-Cob, or Khaine Flakes for that matter. Slaanesh is the weakest because Khorne kicks , Nurgle diseases your , and Tzeentch manipulates your until it does his bidding. Slaanesh is the most superficial of the four major chaos gods.

[Snorri]

Slaanesh is a weak hump-driven puppy, Grandfather Nurgle holds the true power!!!

And as he has the least votes so far, that makes him the mightiest of them all! Bring on the plague! Breathe in the decay! Relish in the filth! Scream as your skin peels! Laugh as your eyes swell and burst!!!

<<Insert numerous graphic images>>

[Heresy]

Because of the constant warfare and bloodshed in the Warhammer world, Khorne is often the strongest in terms of "raw power". But for example in times of famine and despair, Nurgle will jump ahead.
Tzeentch is known to manipulate even other Chaos gods, which some would consider making him the most powerful of the four. Their power is relative, so you can't really say who's overall the strongest or weakest.

As for Khorne lacking motives, the Chaos pantheon only seek to strengthen themselves and their existance.
Khorne gains strenght through war, murder and bloodshed, so that is what he "does".

[Immortalis]

Khorne should have less but people are biased against him. It must be the same old warcries going on and on like a broken record, but Khorne's badassness more than makes up for it imo.

[MachiavelliDisciple]

Well that depends on how you would define 'power'. The most common measurement of power in the context of deities is generally the number of worshippers. Essentially the larger the flock the greater the god. If we judge by this then the pecking order runs thusly:


Khorne
Tzeentch
Slaanesh
Nurgle


However when we consider other factors then matters become more convoluted. Nurgle for example has a very volatile power and during large-scale plagues can easily be the strongest of the four. Tzeentch is a manipulator of them all so one could argue that ultimately the power is his even if he is not the immediate owner of it. Slaanesh is young but his worshipers are growing; after all, he appeals to much of the more civilised world. Khorne's power is most stable though: he grows in times of war and in the world of warhammer it is always war.

[Immortalis]

Khorne's power is most stable though: he grows in times of war and in the world of warhammer it is always war.

Quoted for truth.

[Laser]

i must say that if chaos sent a huge force to destroy the world the first worrshippers to underwelm the world would go like this:


Slannesh
Tzeentch
nurgle
khorne

Because Slannesh sounds the most pleaseing to mortalsbecuse of perfection and ultimate pleasures.And more people accidentaly become one of his worrisppers because E.g.They want to be better at painting or something

Then tzeentch worrshippers will appear when the time is right and will take over with there conections in high places and there mastery of magic.And Many a mortal are seduced by the promise of infinite power and control over the world

Then it'll be Nurgle because they would have been brewing there plagues for millenia and will unleash them but also there are less worrshippers of nurgle because of his stigmata are difficult to hide

Then it'll be korne because there are less khorne cultists then the lot because there place is fighting on the battlefield not hiding away in a cellar.

But in a fight tzeentch would eventually win

[kharnage]

Slaanesh.

While Khorne may not be a genius, his single mindedness and raw power sees him through. In a universe in a constant state of war, Khorne probably has the most followers.

In todays world I think Slaanesh would, followed by Khorne.

[Urgloc_Lifebane]

Slannesh is by far the weakest of them, though this is irrelevent as all four gods have their own strengths and weaknesses and their power is always fluctuating. However, it is said in the chaos army books that Slaanesh is weaker than Khorne in terms of power and followers. the two gods despise each other, but if Slaanesh tried to call all out war on his older brother, his followers would lose their 'pleasure' in the fighting long before Khornes followers would lose their bloodlust.

[versuvius]

yes slaanesh is the weakest....the only good unit out of him ist them pleasure knights that make all male warriors as dumb as concused orcs

[Kampfer]

Slaanesh... he needs followers as he can only derive strength from those whom go to the extremes of thier pursuits.


Khorne realisticly needs no followers as the act of War, murder, and Genocide constantly give him power.

The very act of resistance against his forces does nothing but strengthen him and unfortantely you can't do a "Give peace a chance" passive resistance because the act of killing empowers him.

[Krulltak]

Khorne is NOT Khaine. There is no such thing as Khaine-on-the-Cob, or Khaine Flakes for that matter. Slaanesh is the weakest because Khorne kicks , Nurgle diseases your , and Tzeentch manipulates your until it does his bidding. Slaanesh is the most superficial of the four major chaos gods.


ROFL, this post was hilarious:p

[versuvius]

iv had khorne on the cob once...thne nurge shake with slaanesh sprinkles and then tzneetch dairy ice cream

[Adbad]

Think everyone pretty much agrees that it would be Slaanesh.

[Julius]

It doesn't matter.

[versuvius]

slaanesh is the weakest every one agrees and so does the poll

[spirit]

Slaanesh is the weakest, but then again I'd rather worship Slaanesh than any other God. It isn't how powerful the god is that matters, it is the gifts they give their followers.

[versuvius]

what does slaanesh give us then....personally i follow the bigblackbuddhawitharainbowaffro

[mouldylock]

what does slaanesh give us then....personally i follow the bigblackbuddhawitharainbowaffro
surgeory free boob jobs and penis extensions, maybe both
I'd worship that...:rolleyes:
really if you were gonna worhip one in the modern (real)world slaanesh is the only one that would work- unless your into maggots/birds n murder:confused:

[Black Razor]

surgeory free boob jobs and penis extensions, maybe both
I'd worship that...:rolleyes:

Tactless posts for the win! :shock:

really if you were gonna worhip one in the modern (real)world slaanesh is the only one that would work- unless your into maggots/birds n murder:confused:

I would disagree. Certainly Slaanesh holds a welcome hand in the modern day with so much decadence to be found.. but entropy, war, and change all have there places as well. To see the hand of Khorne you need only look to the going ons in the world where people throw away there lives and the lives of others needlessly for religious ideals. Grandfather Nurgle can be seen in the rampant disease epidemics to roll through in the past few years as well as the general decay of the world through polution and corruption. And who in these stagnant times have not layed secret prayers to the gods for a change at any cost ..and it would be Tzeentch who hears those whispers. Oh yes .. even in these days all the forces of Chaos .. were they real of course .. would still hold great sway.

The gods of chaos are nothing but abstracts of our societies own darker tendancies .. and those are timeless.

[mouldylock]

I would disagree. Certainly Slaanesh holds a welcome hand in the modern day with so much decadence to be found.. but entropy, war, and change all have there places as well. To see the hand of Khorne you need only look to the going ons in the world where people throw away there lives and the lives of others needlessly for religious ideals. Grandfather Nurgle can be seen in the rampant disease epidemics to roll through in the past few years as well as the general decay of the world through polution and corruption. And who in these stagnant times have not layed secret prayers to the gods for a change at any cost ..and it would be Tzeentch who hears those whispers. Oh yes .. even in these days all the forces of Chaos .. were they real of course .. would still hold great sway.

The gods of chaos are nothing but abstracts of our societies own darker tendancies .. and those are timeless.

ok, I agree:p but I think for like say the average/normal (edit-the average in affluent countries, such as the people who would be viewing this forum:rolleyes: ) person, some gods hold more of a grip on thier errr consciences?souls? - tzeentch and slaanesh because they're more applicable to your society/ideals etc

"Tactless posts for the win!:shock: "
I preffer to think or myself as to the point:p

[Changer_of_Ways]

Tzeentch ftw!!

Slannesh is def the weakest

[spirit]

what does slaanesh give us then....personally i follow the bigblackbuddhawitharainbowaffro

Slaanesh? He makes you irresistable to all people (both sexes), makes you a charmer and makes your words have more effect on other people. And yknow, you worship him by having massive orgies of pleasure, eating alot, drinking a lot and generally doing everything you can to make your own life as pleasurable as possible.

Basically anything that creates pleasure, Slaanesh will give you. Like free tickets to the cinema for life.

[Smachaz]

Slaanesh? He makes you irresistable to all people (both sexes), makes you a charmer and makes your words have more effect on other people. And yknow, you worship him by having massive orgies of pleasure, eating alot, drinking a lot and generally doing everything you can to make your own life as pleasurable as possible.

Basically anything that creates pleasure, Slaanesh will give you. Like free tickets to the cinema for life.

Might be the weakest...but i sure as hell would like to join him. (althrough im loyal to Grandfather Nurgle)

[Immortalis]

Slaanesh? He makes you irresistable to all people (both sexes), makes you a charmer and makes your words have more effect on other people. And yknow, you worship him by having massive orgies of pleasure, eating alot, drinking a lot and generally doing everything you can to make your own life as pleasurable as possible.

Basically anything that creates pleasure, Slaanesh will give you. Like free tickets to the cinema for life.


But then you don't get the chance to grow queer chicken mutations and huge spiky armor that sticks to your skin, making it extremely hard to go to the loo.

[versuvius]

their both tempting...i like the orgies but chicken feet are een better....the BIGBLACKBUDDHAWITHARAINBOWAFFRO only requires one sausage and mustard sarnie a weekend from vey folower and ur in heaven...and obsidian sking ect ect...he shoul be the fatter chaos god (fatter den nurgle)

[Captain Garro]

Fools! In the end all comes into fold under Nurgle...

[Snorri]

Fools! In the end all comes into fold under Nurgle...

Aye, it all folds into the Great Grandfather's deep layers of fatty rolls around his general bottom region.
And a spotty plague-swept bottom region it is too.

Long spread the diseases of Nurgle!!!

[Vash108]

Did he not Name Tzeentch on purpose?

[Immortalis]

It was there when I first read the thread. Dunno what happened to it.

[Ralzar]

It was there when I first read the thread. Dunno what happened to it.

Behold the power of the great Changer of Ways! And forum polls.

[quacktar]

I vote khorne as the least powerful, and I disagree with the labeling of Slaneesh as the weakest.

Slaneesh is the god of seduction, and his/her power lies in the wonts of mankind, and the other races. A cult of slaneesh can turn an entire city to its cause, where a cult of khorne only draws those who wish to have prowess in battle and tzeench only draws those who lust for power, and nurgle... you have to be a special kind of person to worship the grandfather.

But every man, woman, and child is subject to the attractions of slaneesh. Warrior priests fall to ecstatic messes before a keeper of secrets removes their heads. In days past (In warhammer) the other gods held more sway, but as time passes it is hard to resist slaneesh.

My order goes:
1. Nurgle
2. Slaneesh
3. Tzeench
4. Khorne

[Commentaris]

when i started playing warhammer (40k) back in the late 1980s every description of the 4 major chaos powers was clear.

Khorne - the most powerful and oldest of the chaos gods

Tzeentch - the second most powerful, with his power rivalling that of Khorne. With a sidenote that Khorne is more direct and his power is clear and present, while Tzeentch' plots take longer to unfold so his power isnt as immediate.

Nurgle - the third most powerful. with a sidenote that Nurgle is destined to be the most powerful as everything while die and rot in the end.

Slaanesh - the youngest and therefor weakest of the major gods, but arguably the most enigmatic.

i still hold this to be true, but looking at Games Workshop present description of the these 4 it seems they have deviated from this. at least, this hierachy isn;t mentioned any more

[Snorri]

when i started playing warhammer (40k) back in the late 1980s every description of the 4 major chaos powers was clear.

Khorne - the most powerful and oldest of the chaos gods

Tzeentch - the second most powerful, with his power rivalling that of Khorne. With a sidenote that Khorne is more direct and his power is clear and present, while Tzeentch' plots take longer to unfold so his power isnt as immediate.

Nurgle - the third most powerful. with a sidenote that Nurgle is destined to be the most powerful as everything while die and rot in the end.

Slaanesh - the youngest and therefor weakest of the major gods, but arguably the most enigmatic.

i still hold this to be true, but looking at Games Workshop present description of the these 4 it seems they have deviated from this. at least, this hierachy isn;t mentioned any more

Hmm, thanks for sharing that, I’d say those are pretty good reasons. The side notes being just as important as the actually order of “power” of course.

[versuvius]

that post sort of screwed up the entire thread lol

[Commentaris]

not really :) seems most people agree with the old way GW themselves used to describe the gods in relation to their power.

Khorne - 4 votes
Tzeentch - 5 votes
Nurgle - 11 votes
Slaanesh - 59 votes.

Khorne and Tzeentch are close, with Nurgle following not far behind. Slaanesh is clearly the weakest to most people

[versuvius]

as i said the post is now as redundant as a no legged snotling

[Commentaris]

as i said, it isn't.

but whatever....

[versuvius]

yeh whatever...you mutated orc dropping you....*grumble about not having enough beer*

hey has any one had old perculiar...exelent beer it is

[Smachaz]

I can't see how the god of disease destruction and decadence be the weakest those 13 people should be ashamed of there self...Nurgle is the only god to fear.

Can Nurgle raise the dead?

[The_Deadpool]

In terms of power? Slaanesh, definitely.

[spirit]

I can't see how the god of disease destruction and decadence be the weakest those 13 people should be ashamed of there self...Nurgle is the only god to fear.

Can Nurgle raise the dead?

Nah, Nurgles all about making things dead, why would he bother making them undead?

Necromancy is a vile manipulation of the lore of Death, and aint really used by Chaos followers. Necromancy requires you to kind of form the winds and try and control them, while chaos magic is more kind of "get whatever magic energy you can and see what random weird stuff it does to people"

[versuvius]

nurgle does what? he rots you all the way through and makes you drop to peices...yehhhh worth worshipping

[Krulltak]

nurgle does what? he rots you all the way through and makes you drop to peices...yehhhh worth worshipping


He also makes you immortal and gives you fatherly love.

[Smachaz]

nurgle does what? he rots you all the way through and makes you drop to peices...yehhhh worth worshipping

if you don't want to die that is. Sure, thats cowardly, but isn't worshiping any Chaos god cowardly?

[versuvius]

fatherly love...how does that work...rots you, mutates you and their not immortal, my rune hammers would squash em like so many dung beetles

[Smachaz]

fatherly love...how does that work...rots you, mutates you and their not immortal, my rune hammers would squash em like so many dung beetles

Well, you don't have to worship him to get the plague, but you do if you want to survive it.

[Krulltak]

if you don't want to die that is. Sure, thats cowardly, but isn't worshiping any Chaos god cowardly?


Not really, only nooob Empire fanboyz think that. The Norscans worship them because it's all they know. Some non Norse humans worship them in order to either improve themselves or attempt to improve their nations.

[versuvius]

stinking and dropping to bit and/or being possessed by chaos gods int an impovement

[Boulvae]

You'd be surprised of what people will do in order to acheive something, or desperate enough to do anything to obtain what they solely desire. The only none official chaos god that would get his kicked thoroughly would be malal...or whatever, he IS made from depressing emotions so that would make him weaker then slaanesh (if he existed).

[versuvius]

boulvae...i cant beleive you made my idiocy a signature...right any ways, anyone who is desperate enough to go chaos for anythin is not going to make n improvement...goin to khorne will not help politics...nor will stinking up the place or growing tentacles or even nor will having sex with everything that moves and orgying every few minutes

[spirit]

You'd be surprised of what people will do in order to acheive something, or desperate enough to do anything to obtain what they solely desire. The only none official chaos god that would get his kicked thoroughly would be malal...or whatever, he IS made from depressing emotions so that would make him weaker then slaanesh (if he existed).

"I R MALAL, LORD OF TEH EMO! PHEAR MY ANGST-FILLED POETRY AND BLEEDING WRISTS!"

Because when a God is so full of hatred that he even hates himsely, you know he has to wear skinny jeans and dye his hair as black as the pit that is his soul. (Do gods have souls? Or are Gods purely soul with no material husk? Hmmmmm)




Aaaaaanywho, a lot of Nurgle followers join him through last resort. As in "damn I've got the plague and am going to die unless I sell my soul to an evil Chaos God" or "holy crap, all my family just died from famine! I don't wanna die like them!"

[versuvius]

doesnt going to chaos normally end up with other families going into famine or dying...it makes more probelems than it solves...good gods...literally

[Boulvae]

But it's not THEIR families, and people in this world have a very low mind set on the matter, considering most chaos followers have personal reasons for joining, and to them considered a solution.

[Smachaz]

Well, thats kind of the reason why Chaos is evil...

[Krulltak]

To say that anything is truely 'evil' or truely 'good' is both childish and ignorant.

[Smachaz]

To say that anything is truely 'evil' or truely 'good' is both childish and ignorant.

This is a fantasy world, there set up to be evil, its not like i was saying the Crusaders were 100% evil. Sure, some people prey chaos, because they are raised to think that way.

e·vil (ē'vəl) pronunciation
adj., e·vil·er, e·vil·est.

1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
4. Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
5. Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.

[spirit]

This is a fantasy world, there set up to be evil, its not like i was saying the Crusaders were 100% evil. Sure, some people prey chaos, because they are raised to think that way.

e·vil (ē'vəl) pronunciation
adj., e·vil·er, e·vil·est.

1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
4. Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
5. Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.


Actually I think that is one of the main things that identifies Warhammer as unqiue. While the races have general "good" or "evil" feels to them, there is a distinct blurring of the edges. Empire witch hunters are a very good example of this.

[Krulltak]

Actually I think that is one of the main things that identifies Warhammer as unqiue. While the races have general "good" or "evil" feels to them, there is a distinct blurring of the edges. Empire witch hunters are a very good example of this.


Exactly, but there are alot of people who like to stick to the tradition of 'good vs evil', usually old people and the younglings those old people taught. They are the kind of people who come up with stupid arguments to say witch hunters are good. They say things like 'if it fights for this and not that then it's good.'

[Smachaz]

Of course, its a question of principals, and point of view. I always viewed the Empire in Star Wars as the ''Good side''.

Also i don't really see it as Good and Evil, but Right and Wrong, which is a question of opinion.

[Boulvae]

Your damn rights it is.

But of course, chaos unfortunently has an ignored argument for them being natural, they follow what they were bred from. Hence they act off instincts that influence their births and thus they are just following what they believe is THEIR purpose and sole role in the world. Wether it be Tzeentch's schemes, to slaanesh's preverse promises each one was born from certain concious thoughts in the sentient beings that live in the world (namely humans but others as well) and live to spread that soul purpose that they fufill because they each have that one human dominating characteristic to want to rule everything but also fufill what they believe to be the role of everything and how it should be to make themselves have...PURPOSE *GASP* and they also share the same reaction of denial to anyother fufillment they could acheive.

But then again, i'm one of the few to try and find the brighter sides of chaos.

[spirit]

I try to find the bright side of Chaos too, but without ever actually admitting they are good...because yknow, that would be stupid. I like to try and understand what it would be like to come from that perspective rather than taking what all the Empire-point-of-view lore says

[Boulvae]

The good side of chaos is there, but it is suttle and you have to have a good eye and idea of a right and wrong in your own perspective to rule out what good chaos has. But it seems to reflect a punishment with it's purpose of balancing mans, well quite respectively haywire approach to everything.

[Nerror]

I try to find the bright side of Chaos too, but without ever actually admitting they are good...because yknow, that would be stupid. I like to try and understand what it would be like to come from that perspective rather than taking what all the Empire-point-of-view lore says

Yeah, always consider the source. There has been long threads on the subject, but indeed, when talking good or evil or right and wrong, there is only a point of view based subjective answer. The Empire thinks the Chaos followers are evil, the Chaos followers obviously don't. So when roleplaying a Chaos follower, you don't go around saying: "I am evil! Rawr!". At least not and really believe it. :)

[Immortalis]

Chaos doesn't care about morals. Morals are for the weak. Chaos takes what it wants then laughs in your face, unless they get executed by one of those goddamn van helsing types.

[Nerror]

Chaos doesn't care about morals.

That's not true at all. They absolutely have morals. Those morals (what's right and wrong) just differ from the Empire's.

[Immortalis]

In that case, I bow to the Chaos loremaster.

I'm interested. What exactly are the morals of chaos?

[Sin Dantes]

Population Control a.k.a. Mass Genocide.

Those are morals enough.

[Nerror]

In that case, I bow to the Chaos loremaster.

I'm interested. What exactly are the morals of chaos?

It really depends on which chaos followers I'd say. Check my sig and read about the norsemen and Roleplaying Tzeentch. The Chaos followers (in WAR) are just regular human beings with their own set of values and morals, depending on the culture they come from and the god they worship.

If you read my Prayer to Tzeentch, I have tried to mix the Norscan values and morals with that of Tzeentch, to create the background story for my Magus.

[versuvius]

and stugmta of chaos and insane and corrupt...chaos was put into warhammer as THE common enemy

[Krulltak]

and stugmta of chaos and insane and corrupt...chaos was put into warhammer as THE common enemy


But that doesn't make it evil, now does it Willis?:rolleyes:

[versuvius]

it bloody does..warhammer scociety is based on german society therevfor the general rules and ethics of 'earth' where we live beleive it or not applys...if u want non evil chaos (some chaos tainted people hate chaos but they are minority) go to another planet where earth rules and ethics dont apply

[Commentaris]

there are no such things as "general rules and ethics" on earth. why the hell do you think we have so many many wars and disagreements?

[versuvius]

ok general ethics and rules we like to think we have

[spirit]

it bloody does..warhammer scociety is based on german society therevfor the general rules and ethics of 'earth' where we live beleive it or not applys...if u want non evil chaos (some chaos tainted people hate chaos but they are minority) go to another planet where earth rules and ethics dont apply

The Empire sociaty is roguhly based on Gothic Germanic with large dollops of ultra-religion. Their ethics are completely different from ours...ie/ they believe that burning people who don't agree with you at the stake is completely fine. The Empire is also what it says in the title, an Empire. It is where one group have people have slowly but surely stamped others under their boot and brought them under their control (see: The British Empire). To a Norscan tribe, the threat of coming under subjugation from the Empire is ever-present and likely, and it is only natural to villainise the Gods of your enemies.
I'm not saying Chaos aren't brutal, devious or nasty, but then again neither are the Empire. The only reasons the Empire seem less brutal, devious or nasty is because a) they are on the defensive, making them less guilty in the war, b)they cover up their brutality better and c) they are more directly humanoid.

Population Control a.k.a. Mass Genocide.
That isn't Chaos's aim. Chaos as a whole has only one common aim, and that is the destruction of Order, which, coincidentally, involves killing all the people who follow the path of order. Khornes aim is not mass genocide, it is perpetual war. Tzeentch aims to control everything and manipulate all. Nurgle aims to destroy everything, and Slaanesh aim s to both control things and to turn the world into an orgy of pleasure.

[versuvius]

hmm so like a general weekend for me and my other 3 mates...theres me (versuvius, WAMBO! WAMBOLINI! WAMBO Dain veltan vrail vulcan...ect) then wombat, psycho purple and then zennon...were like the chaos gods with added idiocy... u think im bad wait till you meet purple....any ways...i forgot what i was talking about so ill stop talkin

[Boulvae]

Smart move versuvias, or you would've loaded my next round for me. But chaos in it's own right may be labaled as the bad guys, but really:

If khorne was in charge war would'nt really change cept your on your own and pretty much not use magic so it's the use of fists axes and maybe the odd ball rock hurling maniac...in khorne standerds. (Wouldn't care about space travel unless he could get fresh meat here...but thats not his suitable tactic)

Tzeentch well...nothing would change actually except you'd be under the watchfull "eye of the hawk" forever being manipulated and you'd kill your self for probably overthinking and being paranoid about his methods of manipulation. (Obviously would travel across the galaxy and try to control that, then move on to throughout the whole nebulae and groups of solar systems in the other galaxies.)

Nurgle well...the only thing you'd have close to a wild landscape is undead, necromancers turned undead with their powers, and tomb kings walkin around everywhere and of course those gifted with nurgles "toughness" from deseases, and the only REAL thing to do after that is pretty much go around living your life til you advance to be able to travel to other planets to spread the plagues cause...thats all you really CAN do.

Slaanesh...think Hellraiser except you've got a choice between just pain or get in a massive fetish orgy of whatever floats your boat...being a weirdo don'ts count now but it's probably an artists heaven cause theres so much imsperation and imagination to go around that slaanesh wouldn't mind some other forms of beuty being added to it's perfect world.

...so really it's not really that bad an outcome cause dieing means your souls consumed instead of being "recycled".

[versuvius]

ok well...lets agree they have methods that are unothodox and politics is the way they should go rofl

[Saerain]

Slaanesh has dominion over some of the strongest, if not the absolute strongest and most prevalent, desires of humankind.

Hedonism (Slaanesh) and War (Khorne) are easily the most potentially unstoppable of the lot, and I find Nurgle theoretically the weakest: disease can be prevented and cured, decay can be repaired, and in comparison to the desire for pleasure and domination by force that drives humanity into nearly every action, Nurgle is just a pest when it comes to building a following.

Ultimately they must be considered equal, but people drastically misunderstand Slaanesh as much as they do the forces and actions which feed him. It's not about wine, big boobies, and good lube.

[versuvius]

ah but disease is always evolving while war and general pleasure are at a standstill...and tzneench it always changing and finding new ways to overcome his brothers...like giving soothing bath salts to khorne and making slaanesh have a cold shower and a nice lie down:grin:

[Saerain]

I don't know how war is stagnant. :p

And lust is perhaps the most inherent instinct, beyond aggression, certainly beyond despair. Attempts can be made to quell desire for it, but are rarely successful in the long-term.

Disease is always developing itself, yes, and so is life. [Shrugs.]

I neglected to mention Tzeentch because it is difficult to argue the power of Change, as it ultimately requires a perspective on time that we do not have. In the immediate sense, however, I would consider him with the same high regard as Slaanesh.

I have always wanted to see them work together against Khorne and Nurgle, actually.

[Krulltak]

Saieren, everything eventually dies and goes to Nurgle, so he is destined to have it all. That is where his eventual take over lies.

[versuvius]

nurgle should rule as bossgod...khorne does help alot with WAAAAAAARGHLEFLARGHE DIE!...slaanesh helps by the killing for pleasure motto and tzneench changes people but the weak die and rot if they cannot handle the power...therefore all gods are unwillingly helping nurgle get stronger...

[Saerain]

Saieren, everything eventually dies and goes to Nurgle, so he is destined to have it all. That is where his eventual take over lies. That makes for decent inculcation, but presents a problem of perspective similar to Tzeentch. It suggests that Nurgle's power lay only in the future tense, a future indiscernable and, as Tzeentch would argue, eternally approaching, never nearing.

'Everything dies.' Even if this is to be considered fact, then what is it Nurgle shall rule? Will the Chaos Gods die themselves, including Nurgle? Can mortal races ascend mortality? Is that perhaps how the gods came to be, in some far realm and time?

On and on.

[versuvius]

the chaos gods were born from the races of the universe...their fears and their lusts andd general sin...not humans goin thru ascention...them damned dark eldar tore slaanesh from the warp...

[Nerror]

Death isn't necessarily the end though. Sure, you could say Nurgle gets all the mortal bodies in the end, but the soul is in the Aethyr, and that's what the gods really want, not the mortal body.

[versuvius]

i have no soul...we are a lump of meat powered by electronic pulses hence this disease.

Doctors are blaming a rare electrical imbalance in the brain for the bizarre death of a chess player whose head literally exploded in the middle of a championship game. No one else was hurt in the fatal explosion, but four players and three officials at the Moscow Candidate Masters' Chess Championships were sprayed with blood and brain matter when Nikolai Titov's head suddenly blew apart. Experts say he suffered from a condition called Hyper-Cerebral Electrosis, or HCE.
"He was deep in concentration with his eyes focused on the board," said Titov's opponent, Vladimir Dobrynin. "Suddenly his hands flew to his temples and he screamed in pain. Then, as if someone had put a bomb in his cranium, his head popped like a firecracker."

no sould involved...juts electronic pulses

[Oak]

i have no soul...we are a lump of meat powered by electronic pulses hence this disease.

Doctors are blaming a rare electrical imbalance in the brain for the bizarre death of a chess player whose head literally exploded in the middle of a championship game. No one else was hurt in the fatal explosion, but four players and three officials at the Moscow Candidate Masters' Chess Championships were sprayed with blood and brain matter when Nikolai Titov's head suddenly blew apart. Experts say he suffered from a condition called Hyper-Cerebral Electrosis, or HCE.
"He was deep in concentration with his eyes focused on the board," said Titov's opponent, Vladimir Dobrynin. "Suddenly his hands flew to his temples and he screamed in pain. Then, as if someone had put a bomb in his cranium, his head popped like a firecracker."

no sould involved...juts electronic pulses

Quote from SNOPPES:

"In 1994 the story of the unfortunate Mr. Titov graced the pages of the Weekly World News, an American tabloid rarely devoted to the reportage of actual news. Once again, the WWN failed to disappoint -- this offering was fiction.

No chess players (or anyone else, for that matter) have expired of exploded cerebellums. Credence has been given to this tale by its subsequent appearance in more reputable journalistic outlets. Though each of these surfacings has been of the tongue-in-cheek variety, casual readers could easily have been misled into thinking this was a valid news story.

Thinking too hard will not endanger your health, much less cause cranial explosions culminating in sudden death."

Sorry big-fellah. Debunked.

[versuvius]

damn...well it seemed a good way of gettin a darwin...live and learn! ty for the info *mumble* *book of grudges will be getting full soon*
but it was awarded a darwin...

[Smachaz]

damn...well it seemed a good way of gettin a darwin...live and learn! ty for the info *mumble* *book of grudges will be getting full soon*
but it was awarded a darwin...

I guess we won't be able to thrust the Darwin Awards, eh?

[versuvius]

ah well i re checked this one did say urban myth above it so it did state what i didnt notice

[Immortalis]

We should have a thread in the off topic forums, Invent Your Own Darwin Story!

[versuvius]

already got one by me...but its just post a darwin

[Stingray]

I would think Nurgle would in theory would be the weakest... there was a 40k comic that pointed this out... if Nurgle is all about rotting and decaying then shouldn't he just be a rotten blob unable to do anything? Also (once again in theory) wouldn't all Nurgle followers carry crappy falling apart weapons that are so rusted they break when the wind blows? I mean thing about Nurgle is the weakest because he destroys himself...


Strongest I'd say Tzeentch... maybe he doesn't have the largest forces, but he is the most clever of them. He manipulates his way to victory. Tzeentch in theory could use the other gods to do his own bidding... Khorne would be his first choice imo. Khorne seems very simple minded in the fact everything is killing and blood. All Tzeentch has to do is manipulate Khorne to cause a war with Slaanesh and Nurgle (or manipulate all three to fight each other). Once all three are weakened his forces finish the job. Thats my train of thought...

[Smachaz]

I would think Nurgle would in theory would be the weakest... there was a 40k comic that pointed this out... if Nurgle is all about rotting and decaying then shouldn't he just be a rotten blob unable to do anything? Also (once again in theory) wouldn't all Nurgle followers carry crappy falling apart weapons that are so rusted they break when the wind blows? I mean thing about Nurgle is the weakest because he destroys himself...


Strongest I'd say Tzeentch... maybe he doesn't have the largest forces, but he is the most clever of them. He manipulates his way to victory. Tzeentch in theory could use the other gods to do his own bidding... Khorne would be his first choice imo. Khorne seems very simple minded in the fact everything is killing and blood. All Tzeentch has to do is manipulate Khorne to cause a war with Slaanesh and Nurgle (or manipulate all three to fight each other). Once all three are weakened his forces finish the job. Thats my train of thought...

Well, i don't think the Gods actually have bodies. And about making he doesn't make his followers weaker, he gives him special deceases that make you stronger and ignore pain. He keeps the bad ones for his enemies. A crazy barbarian swinging an axe is easy to kiil, but an epidemy of plague isn't so easy to beat.

[versuvius]

or a berserker who is so rotten he doesnt feel pain and his internal orgasn cant really be damaged any more...but the chaos that holds him together wont break unless a rune weapon is used

[Immortalis]

Yeah, I think there were a bunch of CSMs who were just spirits inside their armor.

[Commentaris]

The Thousand Sons, yes

[fusilero]

I think Nurgle is weakest, since their powers depend on people worshipping them and such, and I'm not to sure, but the chances of someone worshipping Nurgle when there's much better Gods, I.E. Khorne, Tzeencth, ain't probaly as likely

[Smachaz]

I think Nurgle is weakest, since their powers depend on people worshipping them and such, and I'm not to sure, but the chances of someone worshipping Nurgle when there's much better Gods, I.E. Khorne, Tzeencth, ain't probaly as likely

Chaos Gods don't only get power from worshiping, they also get Power from there respective ''elements'' Khorne God of War, gets power from big bloody batles. Nurgle God of Dispair, gets his powers from diseased people, lamenting people, dying people. IMO each time the Chaoss attack the Empire, Khorne gets his fair share of power, but the aftermatch of the Empire most give alot more power to Nurgle.

[Commentaris]

Any sane person would worship Slaanesh.

right....

any 'sane' person would be a borderline sex-drugs-addict-hedonist-pleasure craving-drooling mess? do you like to cut yerself just for the feeling of it? do you like 140decibles of music just cus you enjoy the sensation of your eardrums rupturing? do you long for a red-hot branding iron on your skin?

i doubt it. sanity and Chaos have nothing to do with eachother.

in any case. in our modern western world, Slaanesh seems to fit like a glove. in the fictional warhammer world he does not in the same degree

[Commentaris]

so why isn't everybody a drugaddict then? if everybody wants to be one, according to you.

[Commentaris]

me thinks you fail to grasp the true form a slaanesh.

in any case, a true slaanesh follower doesn't care how long something lasts. they live in the moment and to hell with the consequenses.

[Nerothos]

I consider Khorne weak because he is the only god without any real plan. It's find follower, point finger, turn him into frenzied killing machine, march him into battle, watch him die, punish his soul for being weak, find a new follower and repeat. The other gods have at least some sort of long term goal. Even Slaanesh has better plans than Khorne.

Edit: i speel gud

[Duke Serok]

I consider Khorne weak because he is the only god without any real plan. It's find follower, point finger, turn him into frenzied killing machine, march him into battle, watch him die, punish his soul for being weak, find a new follower and repeat. The other gods have at least some sort of long term goal. Even Slaanesh has better plans than Khorne.

Edit: i speel gud

Khorne want blood and death, would consider that a fairly simple plan that even the most frenzied and braindead follower can succed in, dont think that make him a weak god.

[Delirium_Trigger]

Slaanesh isn't even a true chaos god according to the fluff. The Eldar created him with their vanity and arrogance. As far as weakest? They'd all beat me up so I really can't say. They all have tremendous power and influence. Physically I would say Tzeentch is the weakest. Mentally; Khorne. Tzeentch has the most influence over the others. Slaneesh the least. It's a toss up.

[Commentaris]

Slaanesh isn't even a true chaos god according to the fluff. The Eldar created him with their vanity and arrogance.

the eldar created Slaanesh accidentally. it would be better to say that they gave birth to Slaanesh by their own depravity and decadence. as such he is a true Chaos god. all chaos gods are the embodiment of some very basic emotion(s).

anyways, that's all 40k stuff. no idea really how Slaanesh is explained in fantasy, it sure wasn;t the Eldar tho

[Delirium_Trigger]

Fantasy and 40K are the same from everything I've read and what the real old guys who are into the games tell me. Just a different area of the same massive megaverse deal.

[Commentaris]

when i was still actively playing the connection between both games was more or less a given. it was generally assumed that the warhammer fantasy world was a planet within the eye of terror or the warp.

from reading these forums games workshop has 'severed' this link.

[Boulvae]

Most notably yes, they did so now fantasy and 40k are to serperate universes now so slaanesh in fantasy is an official chaos god but I think he's still the youngest.

In 40k slaanesh is still a true chaos god it's just that he was born last cause no sentient race was doin the nasty in terms of decadence and indulgnence in their own fetishes compared to the eldar so slaanesh was born from them. Slaanesh would've been born eventually no matter what cause the whole mix of fetishes and desires was high but it deffinently wasn't to the degree to spark the birth of the fourth chaos god.

EDIT: It was just below the magic number so to speak.

[HeraldofKhorne]

I vote Tzeentech is the weakest because, while being the oldest, relies too much on magic.

[HeraldofKhorne]

Slaanesh isn't the weakest Chaos God, he is the hotness incarnate. I mean, if I could pick one to follow, it'd be the God of Pleasure for sure. Pleasure>Plotting>War>Disease. Any sane person would worship Slaanesh. Besides, almost all of the Dark Elves do his bidding. Which other Chaos God has an entire nation at his command?
The Dark Eldar do his bidding. The minority of the Druchii(Dark Elves don't belive me go tohttp://uk.games-workshop.com/darkelves/) actually serve Slaanesh and are persecuted by their own kind.

[HeraldofKhorne]

Slaanesh isn't even a true chaos god according to the fluff. The Eldar created him with their vanity and arrogance. As far as weakest? They'd all beat me up so I really can't say. They all have tremendous power and influence. Physically I would say Tzeentch is the weakest. Mentally; Khorne. Tzeentch has the most influence over the others. Slaneesh the least. It's a toss up.
Khorne was created by Humanity's bloodthirst and he is a Chaos God. And so is Slaanesh even though he's the little pup playing with the bulldogs.:-o

[Erronius]

Well as to who is 'weakest'...

I could have sworn that this has been hinted at in different places, with different placement, throughout GW's publishing.

That being said, I swear I remember there being a comment about Nurgle's power being in flux far more than any other God; for example, there would be times when he would be either the weakest, or the most powerful, tied directly into the amount of disease and pestilence in the material universe. So lets say plagues are sweeping large areas with pyres of bodies burning, smoke blotting out the sun: Nurgles power swells. On the opposite side of the coin, when plague is just a bad memory, Nurgle's power declines to a point below that of the other Gods.

In fact, I imagine that one could argue that the 'power' of any given God is anything but set in stone, and that there is an ebb and tide to the power of each and every God. This is the idea I've always had, and I have always had the feeling that all the Gods are battling for supremecy with the power of each being directly affected by their success or failure in the material world at any given moment.

I was thinking it might have been in one of the 40k Chaos handbooks as part of the fluff, but those are in my car in cases and I'm not about to go traipsing through the cold and snow at midnight.

However if I were to give an 'RP' type answer, as a long-time fan of Tzeentch, I'd have to say Tzeentch is weakest. This, of course, would be just to obfuscate the the reality of Tzeentch, and claiming otherwise might draw attention to Tzeentch's manipulation of the other Gods (and their followers).

Yep, nothing to see here, Tzeentch is weakest, move along...move along.... :twisted:

[BenzeneSucker]

i think khorn is the weakest because he's rubbish

As for tzeech, he has sex with old plastic bags from asda. slaneesh is and nurgle smells like cabbage and is therefore, by definition, the strongest.

[HeraldofKhorne]

You have a strange way of saying who's the strongest of the Ruinous Powers.

[XShrike]

If you go with how powerful each of the gods is supposed to be Tzeentch is the most powerful, Slaanesh is the weakest, Khorne and Nurgle are in between.

Tzeentch knows all possible futures and pasts. Even if you think you beat him you haven't. You just did what he wanted you to do. He will win in the end. He is also, AFAIR, the god responsible for all the alliances. Just about everyone and everything is his play-thing.

Slaanesh you pretty much have to be already have money, and power to worship him. Most people are to busy with their lives to get bored enough to be that indulgent.

Nurgle's power ebbs and flows a lot. I think it is even possible for him to nullify himself if his plagues are too well made. He is also a little odd as he is kind of a god of life. A lot of flies come from the corpses he makes.

Khorne is around as long as people have the urge to kill each other. He kind nullify himself as well. If everyone fights and there is bound to be one guy left. Then what?

[Sir_Triglav]

Perhaps Slaanesh is the weakest, but I really like his iconography and look, (I only play 40k so far, so I'm mainly looking at Emperor's Children and whatnot). The fact that his folllowers are so bat**** insane and won't stop in the quest for perfection I find quite cool.

[Stingray]

Power wise in reality depends on the times and humans... what at that point do they desire most... power, life, war, or lust and the such.


If there was an all out brawl between the gods Tzeentch would most likely win... not by power, but manipulation. Most likely the forces of Khorne are very easy to manipulate (I mean they are just blood thirsty pycho paths), but are vasty and strong. So Tzeentch would use them first to attack Nurgle (who is Tzeentch's biggest enemy). If he really wanted to make things hard for nurgle he would use his own powers of change to make Khorne's forces immune or heavily resistant to disease for enough time for them to cut through the Nurgle forces (diseases usually target certain hosts, or organs... change them and you need to make a new disease... add the Khorne blood lust and those are going to be some tough insane fighters). Once Nurgle is out of the way (and most of Khorne with it) He'll turn the remaining Khorne forces on Slaneesh and have them fight until only one remains then he will finally comit his forces to overwhelm the survivor.

Remember Tzeentch is the great changer of ways and the great manipulator... he is patient... he knows how to plot. He will strike when his enemies are weak (aka Nurgle is at a low point). If Tzeentch wants to destroy all the other gods he is already twisting fate in his favor... Tzeentch is the type who likes to appear the way his enemies want him to appear. He keeps their focus on other things while he builds up his own hand. True it may take to year 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (in 40k terms) for him to finally finish his plan, but he is patiently weaving the threads of fate for his own victory.

[versuvius]

arent nurgles forces generally imune to standard injury and khornes forces are too damned stupid to be maipulated...

[Stingray]

the dumber they are the easiler they are to manipulate ....

Aka Tzeentch turns to Khorne and says, "I heard that Nurgle was plotting to steal all your skulls from your skull throne... and o ya he also called you a stupid, ugly, and a sissy girly man."

Khorne goes into a fit of rage, "THAT NURGLE SCUM IS GOING TO DIE" Khorne charges off weapons in hand.

Tzeentch watches the mad man runs off and says to himself "Too easy."

Immune to disease yes... but something has to hold them together still... hack them into pieces then stomp them into mush will do the trick... and thats what Khorne likes to do A: cut off heads B: make bloody huge messes out of once living beings. Anyhow all Khorne as to do is weaken Nurgle enough for Tzeentch to finish the job with magic...

[versuvius]

heheeh let an eldar try an read my mind!! its get sucked out and shed get an irrisistable urge to mutter ere we go and hit the ground with a gun butt

[3eeve]

I've never liked Slaanesh. Whether or not he's the weakest, I really don't know. But I'm just not that impressed by a giant-horseheaded thing with claws for hands and twelve breasts. :confused:

[Boulvae]

He's the exact opposite of Hermaphroditus except he wasn't born from the genitalia of another random god thrown (greek or roman I don't know) in the ocean. The god I just stated is a fertility god, and slaanesh seems to be an anti-fertility god if you would catagorize him in history books. I'd just call him a shady flasher that owns the biggest pron shop in the world.

[Wyrmtongue]

Everyone serves the Lord of Change, whether they know it or not.

[GrandOne]

Heres a ranking for you all for fantasy Warhammer Chaos Gods

#1 Khorne

Khorne is the most powerful of all the Chaos gods. His chief rival is Tzeentch, the Great Sorcerer, who is the patron of wizards just as Khorne is the patron of warriors.
Of course, this rivalry does not prevent Khorne and Tzeentch from for a common cause when it is convenient to do so.
Combined, these two gods are always more powerful than the others.
Of all his brother gods, Khorne most despises Slaanesh, whose prancing fopperies are an affront to Khorne's sense of honour and martial pride.
Even so, Khorne makes use of the Prince of Chaos when necessary, as much as it may gall him to do so.

#2 Tzeentch

Tzeentch is almost as powerful as Khornebut his power takes on a very different form.
Tzeentch is the master of magic and subtlety.
It is Tzeentch who holds the Realm of Chaos beyond time and space and it is he who watches over the destiny of the material universe. His plots are complex and interwoven, and he is the principal architect of secret alliances amongst the Dark Gods.

#3 Nurgle

Although Nurgle is ranked behind Khorne and Tzeentch the truth is that his power is not necessarily weaker, just less stable than of the other gods.
His passion is to unleash ghastly pestilences upon the world, and at such times his power rises to a peak.
Like a plague his power grows and may reach epidemic levels, temporarily overshadowing that of all the other gods put together, before waning again.

#4 Slaanesh

Though Slaanesh is the least of the Dark Gods of Chaos, he is an important player in the divine game.
His support is an essential part of any alliance between the Chaos gods.
The favour of Slaanesh can easily swing the balance of power between the gods, giving Slaanesh an influence disproportionate to his power.
Nonetheless, the power of Slaanesh is growing all the time.
Soon the Prince of Chaos will come to rival the other gods and, who knows, even rise above them.

There it is .......


And NO, Nurgle doesnt have anything to do with dead people, like skeletons and stuff.

[versuvius]

WAAAAAGH!!!all dem puny chaos gods are weak! MORK SMASH AND GORK ZZAP!! (i forget which of the 2 are more magiky but you can correct it in yer eadz) the chaos gods may be big but their followerz are puny umies! what iz a god with puny followerz? a puny god!

[Commentaris]

weren't you s'posed to be a dwarf?

[versuvius]

got bored of dwarfs....3 years of em and i think orks get all the fun! we can remove eachothers arms and i wont get put on bloody trial for it, and i dont get punished for being fick

[basdebeer]

slaanesh definatly it is al about ****** with a girl so khorne rules

[Janan Pacha]

Heres a ranking for you all for fantasy Warhammer Chaos Gods

#1 Khorne

Khorne is the most powerful of all the Chaos gods. His chief rival is Tzeentch, the Great Sorcerer, who is the patron of wizards just as Khorne is the patron of warriors.
Of course, this rivalry does not prevent Khorne and Tzeentch from for a common cause when it is convenient to do so.
Combined, these two gods are always more powerful than the others.
Of all his brother gods, Khorne most despises Slaanesh, whose prancing fopperies are an affront to Khorne's sense of honour and martial pride.
Even so, Khorne makes use of the Prince of Chaos when necessary, as much as it may gall him to do so.

#2 Tzeentch

Tzeentch is almost as powerful as Khornebut his power takes on a very different form.
Tzeentch is the master of magic and subtlety.
It is Tzeentch who holds the Realm of Chaos beyond time and space and it is he who watches over the destiny of the material universe. His plots are complex and interwoven, and he is the principal architect of secret alliances amongst the Dark Gods.

I never agreed with that. Tzeentch I thought had less power, but only barely. I always thought of him as the more pwoerful because his power wasn't so dependant. In addition he's just smarter, plots within plots. Khorne's the mad, undeniably more powerful, berserker rushing to smash his enemy - but Tzeentch is the smarter and still quite powerful rival that steps to the side and trips the berserker over a ledge into a chasm. The example doesn't exactly apply to how the gods would battle, it's simple an example of what I've always viewed them to be like.

Tzeentch may be less powerful but Khorne could never beat him. I think it would really just go on.

[Khet]

I never agreed with that. Tzeentch I thought had less power, but only barely. I always thought of him as the more pwoerful because his power wasn't so dependant. In addition he's just smarter, plots within plots. Khorne's the mad, undeniably more powerful, berserker rushing to smash his enemy - but Tzeentch is the smarter and still quite powerful rival that steps to the side and trips the berserker over a ledge into a chasm. The example doesn't exactly apply to how the gods would battle, it's simple an example of what I've always viewed them to be like.

Tzeentch may be less powerful but Khorne could never beat him. I think it would really just go on.

I think his statement was more in raw power. Khorne, in raw brute force, is the most powerful however Tzeentch with his sorcery and magic is very close. that is also why Nurgle may/can rise in power above all the others if only temporarily, because of his plagues and such it can be viewed as raw power (killing hundreds and thousands)

[versuvius]

a funny story of the chaos gods and what they did to khaine....

Khorne has a deep psychotic voice, slaanesh's is high and girly, nurgle goes gloop and tzneench is queens english

Khorne: why do they not simply crush the protestors
Nurgle: Gloop
Tzneench: oh shut up you blob of guts
Nurgle: gloop
Khorne: if i was them i wouldnt need an excuse to crush them
Tzneench: is that what you always think about? crushing?
Khorne: and blood and skulls
Nurgle:gloop
Slaanesh: *giggle* thats all he ever says *giggles angrily*
Khaine: *spinning in a washing machine which slaanesh is sat on doing strange things*
Geeeeeeeeet meeeeeeee ooooooout offff heeeeeeeaaaaar yooooou bllllooooody psyyyychhhotic nechrofile!
Khorne: thats the bast you can come up with? *blood for the blood god mumble*
Tzneench: WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO HIM!?!?
Slaanesh: You said you wanted the rights to him so i will have my fun first
Tzneench: *slaps forhead* ok stop that now its discusting and undignified
Slaanesh: *mumph* well what am i the god of *giggle*
~ at this point khaine smashes himself into millions of peices~
Khaine: awwwwh you broke him.....i wanted to smash him!
Slaanesh: he did that himself! *giggle giggle*
Tzneench: idiots....i need tea *goes off to visist his hunting club and maybe mutate a few bunnies*


me an netziimuro kitzune aka tom are developing it during otherwise wasted schooltime...

[Konstantin]

Lol Slaanesh the weakest!?!?!? He is by far more powerful than Nurgle and Khorne, the only reason i don't say Tzeentch is because he can see the future, so that gives him kinda a big advantage.

So
Weakest
1 Khorne
2 Nurgle
3 Tzeentch/Slaanesh
4 Tzeentch/Slaanesh

[versuvius]

if slaanesh is the strongest i will eat my helmet, my axe and my iron soled shoes

[Ralzar]

I think his statement was more in raw power. Khorne, in raw brute force, is the most powerful however Tzeentch with his sorcery and magic is very close. that is also why Nurgle may/can rise in power above all the others if only temporarily, because of his plagues and such it can be viewed as raw power (killing hundreds and thousands)

Nurgle doesn't increase in power by killing people with plagues. At least not directly. What fuels the chaos gods powers, is the emotions they embody. Nurlge is the god of despair. When plagues ravage the lands of man, people despair and so fuel the power of Nurgle. Same as Khorne is fueled by rage and battlelust, Tzeench by the desire for change and Slaanesh by hedonism.

[The Death Knight]

Tzeentch & Khorne are the strongest, simply because put them together, Tzeentch has all the tricks and thinking, Khorne has all the strength, and they'll be great together. Of course, cooperation may let them down.

[Konstantin]

if slaanesh is the strongest i will eat my helmet, my axe and my iron soled shoes
Well start eating.

[versuvius]

ill kick you in the fork....*mumble*

[wis]

Khorne is the bane of sorcerors, but he is not Tzeentch's biggest rival. Nurgle is. The Lord of Decay destroys life, whereas Tzeentch seeks to change it.

[versuvius]

lets agree necrons, orks and dwarf own chaos right down to their smelly mutated jock straps...tau might be ok cus of that mental seperation from chaos....ne ways humans are the only thing that is actually really susceptible to chaos in any big way...chaos dwarfs dont count cus their just small humans

[Krulltak]

Uhhhhhh, V, necrons and Tau are from 40k.

[versuvius]

i meant chaos in general... yeh squig-herder! gorgutz's fave insult

[Doomhowl]

Khorne will bathe in your blood and endtrails. That is all..

[versuvius]

Khorne Is A Sissy Elf!!!!!!!!!:-p

[desertfox]

Chaos Undivided will conquer everything under the sun!!!

We will sqush all the puny dwarves, sissy elves and the men of the empire like bugs!!!

[Krulltak]

Chaos Undivided will conquer everything under the sun!!!

We will sqush all the puny dwarves, sissy elves and the men of the empire like bugs!!!


Whoowaa? You can only play Tzeench in this game. Also, Chaos Undivided is just bland, and it sucks on the Tabletop.

[versuvius]

and i will poon you...and grimnir and grungie with the runes of valaya will banish chaos into death as they have been to long seperated from

[GrandOne]

Oh yeah. And my statement was taken off directly from Chaos army book :D

[Veilside]

Whoowaa? You can only play Tzeench in this game. Also, Chaos Undivided is just bland, and it sucks on the Tabletop.

Undivided most certainly doesn't suck, it just has less character.

[GrandOne]

Undivided most certainly doesn't suck, it just has less character.

Yes, it does suck in TT :p
So do goblins, don't ever, EVER play a pure goblin army

But Chaos in general owns in TT, and wood elves and Lizardmen.. They are the ones I had problems with.

[Krulltak]

Well, pure goblins yes, but night goblins are pretty nifty, with their trappers and fanatics and squig herdas.

[Veilside]

Yes, it does suck in TT :p
So do goblins, don't ever, EVER play a pure goblin army

But Chaos in general owns in TT, and wood elves and Lizardmen.. They are the ones I had problems with.

There's a difference between "sucking" and having a huge amount of fun.

[Berserker of Khorne]

Khorne owns nuff said

[Memnos]

Khorne is currently the most powerful. Every act of war in a universe in endless war feeds him.

Tzeentch is second most power, the sorceror and manipulator.

Nurgle is third - This, however, is subject to change. During the times when disease swells across the universe, he is nigh unstoppable. Even the most potent of swordsmen fear the virus and the pestilential grounds that breed after a killing field.

Slaanesh is the weakest. Note, however, that strength is irrelevant. "Khorne can beat up Slaanesh." - Duh. That's what he does. He's the God of 'Beat you up good'. If he couldn't beat up the God of 'Beat mysel' - Y'know? I'm not even finishing that thought. The point is that they each have differing spheres of influence. Khorne is a better warrior. Tzeentch is a better sorceror. Nurgle is the best at attrition. Slaanesh feeds on pleasure and pain, making wins and losses irrelevant. The key is how that General uses their strengths. If Khorne can turn a battle with Nurgle in to a test of skill, the Khornate person wins. If Nurgle fights defensively, letting his diseases and charms do his will, he wins. If Tzeentch and Slaanesh blast each other with sorcery, he wins. If Slaanesh allows some of his followers the pleasure of being slaughtered, he can easily slip 'round and bravely impale the flanks of the Tzeentchites on the glistening lancetips of his Chosen.

That Slaanesh is a freak.:shock:

[Immortalis]

That Slaanesh is a freak.:shock:

You're saying that now. Wait 'til Witch Elves sneak up on you and ravish you when you're not looking.

[Memnos]

I promise to never be looking, Immortalis. This, I swear.:-x

[HeWhoHasNoName]

Clearly the hermaphrodite is the weakest.....LOL:twisted:

[Spoonie]

Nurgle doesn't gain followers by saying "DEWD, come be all puss covered and stuff!" he gains followers by promising the dying eternal life and immunity to disease. And he gives it to them. Most people who decide to follow Nurgle are a little too busy to read the fine print at that exact moment, but there you go.

Slaanesh probably has the most actual cultists, which may eventually fuel his power. While Khorne thrives on the screams of the massacred, Slaanesh gains power when pompous emo Imperial nobles have orgies and cut themselves. The "official" Cult of Slaanesh is also gaining much momentum and even political power in the lands of Naggaroth aswell, threatening to rival even Khorne, I mean, Khaine.

Really, it's pretty hard to say without knowing the exact nature of the Chaos gods. They all do their best to lure mankind into embracing their particular associated emotion above all else, and in that race I think Slaanesh will eventually win :D

[desecrator]

just look at the spell list and you'll see that Slannesh is not the weakest god, regardless of what the book says. Any god that is a manifestation of desires and temptation is far more enduring than one that is a representation of the urge to 'kick '. Slannesh hits you in the MIND suckas.

[versuvius]

look...slaanesh is weakest...all he wants is a lady/man friend an some crappy black lotuses to chew...

[Battlekruse]

Of the six Chaos Gods I consider.

Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch are all consider equal in power and motivation. Slannesh is the weakest of these four.

The horned rat is also a Chaos Gods, but are reserved for Skaven too. But most Skaven are very easy to break, so......

Malal the renegade Chaos God, who has turned against the other and is dedicated to thir destruction. His followers sometime called Doomed ones, seek out and destroy the followers of chaos gods wherever they may be found. I have not read or heard anything about Malal since the publishing of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay from Hogshead.

[Oasis]

Slaanesh May be the weakest god..but he has all the hot chicks which means he's a pimp which is totally awsome

[Reaper 1]

After quickly reading through most of the posts on this subject I have to admit that there are some rather witty remarks and great quotes from the Tomes of GW knowledge. Being a newcomer to the forum here(BTW I have been looking for a place like this!! Very Cool!) I have to chime in. Weakness is always a matter of relativity. My fantasy Army is Undivided, plain and simple. However, it is greatly augmented by the 2 Slaaneshii spellcasters therein. It is so rotten to cast Luxurious Torment on a unit of knights and then cast it on your Chosen Knights. All of the Gods have their own inherit benefits, but none of them could benefit my Army as well as Slaanesh.
I am a devout follower of Chaos and REALLY enjoy reading about all of the Gods and their histories as well as the Boasts of the other followers. Food for thought though. If the named gods of chaos did not exist, Chaos itself would still be the dominant force in the known world.

May the Gods smile upon you all!

Reaper 1 out!

[Anaris]

nurgle wins in the end. slaanesh trails behind in power currently.

malal doesn't exist. in fact, he never existed - mainly because the rights to use him were owned by the creator, who left GW, meaning they can no longer use malal.

[desertfox]

Azazel sees into the very hearts and souls of men, and even their deepest desires and hidden passions are plain to him. With his silvery voice Azazel whispers to his opponents, promising them all they have ever desired if they abandon the folly of opposing Slaanesh and embrace the Prince of Chaos instead.

And there are very few that can resist his temptations. All who know of him dread to face him in battle, for the cost of losing to Azazel is not only the death of the body, but the damnation of the soul as well.


At the Battle of the Moors a force of zealous Templars of Ulric had made vows before the Flame of Ulric in Middenheim that they would banish Azazel or perish trying. But before the battle ended the Templars had been reduced to gibbering imbeciles, slaves to the slightest whim of Azazel. He set collars around their necks and made them walk on all fours like dogs to amuse his patron Slaanesh. The Questing Knight, Guido de Brionne, sought out Azazel, intending to challenge him to single combat to fulfil his grail quest, but instead he kneeled before the Daemon Prince, begging him to accept his undying devotion. Laughing, Azazel severed the head of the Bretonnian Knight, who stood unmoving, convinced in the justification of the act. Woe to those who face Azazel, the right hand of Slaanesh.



Do not underestimate Slaanesh

[Anaris]

so he can warp the minds of a few humans. wow. doesn't mean he's powerful as a god.

[Battlekruse]

nurgle wins in the end. slaanesh trails behind in power currently.

malal doesn't exist. in fact, he never existed - mainly because the rights to use him were owned by the creator, who left GW, meaning they can no longer use malal.

Malal exist from 1986 when Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay was first released

[Veilside]

Malal exist from 1986 when Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay was first released

As far as GW is concerned, Malal is not a real chaos god.

[Saerain]

I've never liked Slaanesh. Whether or not he's the weakest, I really don't know. But I'm just not that impressed by a giant-horseheaded thing with claws for hands and twelve breasts. :confused: Are you referring to the Keeper of Secrets from 40K or something?

We don't know how the Chaos Gods themselves appear.

[Veilside]

Are you referring to the Keeper of Secrets from 40K or something?

We don't know how the Chaos Gods themselves appear.

Slaanesh is supposed to be an androgynous humanoid as far as we know, but no there's no set in stone way for how chaos gods look.

[Nerror]

Slaanesh is supposed to be an androgynous humanoid as far as we know, but no there's no set in stone way for how chaos gods look.

We certainly have descriptions of how they have appeared to mortals, but they are just that, appearances to mortals. They don't have a real physical form at all, but they do have some guidelines as to how they mostly tend to appear.