Potential for chosen

[tribecalledquest]

Okay, i know its a little early to try to discuss game mechanics right now but we know that chosen will be the chaos tank, so we can assume it will have some ability to take damage, the possibility of being able to train in shield skills is high too.

The other thing is mythic has hinted that there will be mounted combat, which makes chosen fast and tough, this leads people to believe that chosen will have a low damage output.

I think there is a good way to make this class fun to play as well as be effective on the battlefield without making it fast,tough, and high damage; which would be very hard to balance.

Think about something along the lines of what black orcs do; they get in there and disrupt the enemies; seeing as warriors are Tzeentch it would not be unrealistic to give them a couple of magical snares or knockdowns or something along those lines.

(If you've played DAoC think about something like a thane/skald/warrior. Not as tough as a warrior, not as magical as a thane, and not as fast as a skald.)

What does everyone think of this idea?

I was going to include positional attacks too but i think mythic will put that in for all melee classes.

In conclusion you'd be hard to kill and fast; you wouldn't be striking down armies by yourself which isn't very chaos warrior like but still; the enemy would not be able to afford you beating, knocking down, and chasing around their casters.

[Immortalis]

Hell no. Chosen should be secondary damage dealers while remaining tanks at the same time, only obviously not as good as the orc or dwarf tanks.

Chosen=melee powerhouse!

[tribecalledquest]

This would be fine assuming chosen are not mounted; if they are that could lead to several balance issues, High speed/ high hp/ high damage= hard to balance.

[Razma]

God no!We already have a disrupter,we really dont need another one.
As Immortalis already mentioned Chosen should be secondary dmg dealer.
Not as high as the light armor dps classes but still infront of the other tanks.

Would be as much fluff as you could go without unbalancing the game i guess.

[spirit]

This would be fine assuming chosen are not mounted; if they are that could lead to several balance issues, High speed/ high hp/ high damage= hard to balance.

Mounted doesn't mean high speed. They could be high speed out of combat but slowed to normal speed when in a combat situation.

also it would be more like high hp/ high speed/ medium damage- they wont be on a par with DPS classes, but will be able to put out a fair amount themselves.

[tribecalledquest]

Yeah; that pretty much solves everything, anyway i hope Mythic makes this class interesting because im pretty sure i'll be playing it. I dont want the same old attacks; some unique Tzeentch like stuff would be cool. Maybe a couple of spells.

Ive always been a dwarf in other games but i played TT and the idea of playing a Chosen of Tzeentch is just too irresistable.

[Black Razor]

Why is it whenever I see this threads name I flash to the little green guys from toy story? 'The claaaaaw' ..' I've been chooosen.'. *snicker*

But yeah ..I agree with Immortalis on this .. Chosen should be a hybrid tank melee damage class. Able to tank with only a little less ability then say a black orc or ironbreaker, but deal more damage accordingly.. just not on the same bar as a choppa or other pure dps class.

[tribecalledquest]

Yeah; they could do this easily though and have the class use magic.

Put them at the same melee damage rates as for say an ironbreaker and give them less defense; to compinsate for this give them some instant spells like maybe a lightning bolt or snare or something chaoslike; for Tzeentch mostlikely some sort of damage or shield spell.

Immortalis it seems you misunderstood my post, i never said give Chosen low dps, but a good dps could be achieved through a mixture of spells and melee combat.

[Black Razor]

So basically what your suggesting is similar(and I hate using a game comparison buuut... ) is an EQ Shadow Knight then? A medium Tank, medium melee DPS, with some limited spell casting ability in the real of things like debuffs, drains, and such?

[xeon]

sounds a bit like a champion from daoc to me :)
debuffs are always nice. even with medium dps, you could hack a target to pieces in seconds.

[Commentaris]

eventhough it's a Chosen of Tzeentch i'd like the Chosen to be a heavy tank, medium DPS with little to no magic abilities.

basically a straight up melee machine.

[Aquinas]

Imo, the Chaos Chosen should be somewhat a hybrid class. They should be able to have a shield and a one-hander weapon and be able to dash out medium damage. Sorta like the old fashionable romes did back in the old days.

From what we'v seen in the video. The Chaos Chosen duel wields, so I'd take a wild guess at Chosen will be a hybrid class, seeing that intro video's tend to say alot about the game. At least a small part of it.

[Ralzar]

From what we'v seen in the video. The Chaos Chosen duel wields, so I'd take a wild guess at Chosen will be a hybrid class, seeing that intro video's tend to say alot about the game. At least a small part of it.

Like how it tells us about the slayer class? ;)


I'm betting the Chosen will be a tank. Heavy armour, medium damage and some kind of fancy effect/gimmic to make him special.

[Aquinas]

Like how it tells us about the slayer class? ;)


I'm betting the Chosen will be a tank. Heavy armour, medium damage and some kind of fancy effect/gimmic forto make him special.

Hehe, you never know until the grand release :rolleyes:

[tribecalledquest]

If i would compare it to any class from another game i'd say closer to a champion or thane then shadow knight; think of a champion or thane with less magic and more tanking ability

[Delirium_Trigger]

What if all this zany speculation turns out to be misdirected ? I can personally see the Chosen having the option of dual-wielding, using a shield, or a two handed weapon. Why not? In DAoC all the basic tank classes had similar options (Well not dual wielding, but hey..). Posessing some magic, I can see, from a fluff perspective. Being an old school GW player I really have trouble with the term "balance" when applied to this game. I know it needs to be there but it's kinda sad to think about a Chaos hero being beaten by an Empire hero(Which does happen but is a rarity).

[Immortalis]

If I'm right, the chaos guy in the gameplay trailer was a chosen and he was dualwielding.

[Ralzar]

If I'm right, the chaos guy in the gameplay trailer was a chosen and he was dualwielding.

If you're talking about the CGI trailer, you shouldn't base any expectations on what you see there. After all, you can't play a Slayer, yet you clearly saw one in the trailer.

[Kintinto]

As I understand their armor its magically fused to their skin, if you have super chaos plate melted to you whats the point in using a shield? Your a walking siege tower. That demon arm looks pretty nasty too, I wouldn't be surprised if it could mutate T-1000 style into weapons like the marauder. Or at the very least be used defensively, grappling your opponents weapon and disarming it. Or just punching him in the face REALLY hard and stunning him.

Judging by the black orc tanking abilities I saw, it seems that the black orcs primary purpose is to mitigate damage incoming towards ALL friendlies and not just himself. His secondary seemed to be directly influencing WAAAGH! and generating extra group morale, while slowing the enemy morale gain.

Im going to speculate that each races tank has its own unique way of protecting allies. The black orc does it through shout abilities not unlike WoW, the Chosen however may do it in a radically different way. More than likely, I think it will be chaos themed debuffs. It makes sense that the Chosen would be a more offensive tank, crippling enemy morale completely and reducing the overall damage output potential of the other team until the Chosen are focus fired and killed.

I guess Mythic has solved the issue of tanking in PvP, you HAVE to kill the tanks first or your team is screwed. Looks like I picked the right class.

[Boulvae]

Seeing as how this is Tzeentch were talking about here this is going to be a russian roullete where SOME group on this board and others are going to have to bite the bullet when it comes to the twist this tank class will get.

EDIT: And i'm NOT going to satre or kiss the gift horse in the mouth. i'd tip the cow about it though.

[Spleen]

Depending on how Tzeentchish they make the Chosen, I may play him or not. I just want a decent array of spells; this is, after all, Tzeentch's warrior. It would also serve to make the Chosen notably unique and different from the Ironbreaker, Black Orc, KotBS, etc.

[xeon]

the Chosen however may do it in a radically different way. More than likely, I think it will be chaos themed debuffs. It makes sense that the Chosen would be a more offensive tank, crippling enemy morale completely and reducing the overall damage output potential of the other team until the Chosen are focus fired and killed.


i would absolutely love that! offensive tank with debuffs...can you say daoc champion? :D

[Axxar]

I hope the Chosen will be able to tank as well as the other destruction tanks. After all, he's wearing a lot more armor than any other tank class.

[Ethandril]

The Chosen will be the tank for Chaos, it has been stated by Mythic and if you take a look
a the concept art, with that kind of armor, he will be able to take a lot of hits.

The potential of the Chosen can cross many directions, 1h-weapons, 2h-weapons, shield
or even dual wield. Also some kind of magic comes along, why not, after all he is chosen
by Tzeentch, the Changer of Ways, the great Socerer.

Since we know the last career now, the Marauder and he is also tought by Tzeentch with
the blessing of mutations (weapon arm), the Chosen could go a different way to use the
magic of Tzeentch.

My guess will be, that the Chosen won't be pure melee class like the KotBS, or close to
the dps of the Marauder. He will be a hard warrior, steeled by uncounted battles, who will do
anything to win the fight also by using the Magic (not as powerfull than the Magus) of Tzeentch.

[Boulvae]

You mean he's gonna be an anti-caster? So he's gonna be designed to own casters with spells/abilities that will make him unique?

[Ethandril]

You mean he's gonna be an anti-caster? So he's gonna be
designed to own casters with spells/abilities that will make him unique?

If you look at the Chaos Classes, every single class is blessed by Tzeentch, so I guess,
that the Chosen (the name says it anyways) get some magic/abilities too.

And it would make the Chosen unique compart to the Empire Knight of the Blazing Sun,
which is a goal of Mythic, to make every class unique...

Atm, it's really hard to tell, which way Mythic will go with the Chosen, I'm still hoping the
Chosen will be a Hybrid class (like the Champion in DAoC, the Shadowknight in EQ/EQ2)

[Zubin]

i hope the chosen will be able to become just as defensive as the rest of the tanks. There is nothing worse then picking a low dps tank class only to find out you do the same dps as another tank but your defensive is worse :( I mean this is a tank class if you want dps pick a caster or the melee dps guy!

[Nezumiiro Kitsune]

Shouldn't that capabilities come from which deity they worship?
Khorne = Strong and Tough but Low Def
Slaanesh = Swift and racks up small damage fast (due to enjoying the pain)
Nurgle = Tough and Fast but Low Off
Tzneetch = Ranged and Slow (Change is generally slow) with high Stamina

That seems about right?

Also from what weapons and armor they carry/wear/grow

[Ralzar]

Shouldn't that capabilities come from which deity they worship?
Khorne = Strong and Tough but Low Def
Slaanesh = Swift and racks up small damage fast (due to enjoying the pain)
Nurgle = Tough and Fast but Low Off
Tzneetch = Ranged and Slow (Change is generally slow) with high Stamina

That seems about right?

Also from what weapons and armor they carry/wear/grow

You know you can only play Tzeench right? You can't choose what god to follow.

[Jerrus]

Am I the only one hoping that the Chosen doen't use Magic?

That he simply relies upon his superior skill and power to win fights?

[xeon]

no, i dont want that. i need my magic!
i always thought that playing a pure tank without ANY abilities apart from his melee skill is boring as hell.
i am deadly sure that mythic will give chosen (and basically any tank) some form of special abilities, be it magic or anything other.

[Veilside]

I would have thought "chosen" will have some kind of magical abilities, they are after all chosen of tzeentch and his common gift is to grant his champions magical abilities (along with lots of mutations).

[desertfox]

Yeah I alos like the idea of Chosen being a melee/caster hybrid

If not I like the Chosen to be a little more on the offensive side, heavy armor but have little defensive ability.

[ZyRuss]

Chaos Chosen. In Lore these guys are the best of the best and follow their Chooser wherever he goes. And that usually means Combat. They give they're lives for whoever they are protecting so I imagine they will be primarily a tank class. But the huge sword in the concept sketch leads me to believe they will be tanking by doing damage.

Sort of like. *Buff self to do more damage so enemy targets you*

[Surgeh]

I see Chosen and think Dark Knight ala FFXI

[Arijharn]

I hope the Chosen plays like from what I've read about shadowknight's or an anti-paladin from d&d, just without the ability to raise skeletons and stuff. Seems like a pretty hard balance to get right, and a very hard class for the player to master but if he does, he's potentially the strongest class in the game.

Of course, having said that, no class should be easy to master.

[Fusko]

For the Tzeentch Chosen, I would enjoy to see some magic-related melee attacks, I don't know what, but it would just seem really cool to me. Like how energy crackles from the Chosen's sword in this picture (http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/conceptArt/full/112006_cart_01.jpg).

[Naestra]

Ummm...

I wouldn't really want to see magic for them, (even if it is tzeencth) I would much prefer to see them more of a brawler type class using every part of their body (Headbutts, left hooks, knees to stomach and elbows to the face sort of thing:)) slow, stun and weaken (I'm not talking WoW rogues and their stunlocks it would be much more team orientated so would have a smaller damage output than other classes i.e. Deep Wound - Foes receive 50% more damage for 10 seconds and are slowed by 20%). Ultimately riping oppenents for the kill when the dps classes come along. That type of fighting gives a much more tanking feel to the class also it would provide a nice deep role on the battlefield.

[Taurth]

I'd like to see a lot of slow, hard hitting attacks, cleave attacks that hit more than one enemy and stuff like that.
Magic wise I'm not sure but I know I'd like him to have maybe one or two magical abilities, but not enough to take the emphasis off of melee abilities.

[Fusko]

I'm not talking about magic missles or anything, just like where the weapon glows or something, and you do damage of that school of magic, I thought it would be neat :)

[Spliffed]

to me the chosen sounds like a paladin from wow that might have demonic spells instead of holy (or atleast that is the way you guys are trying to make him sound)

[Whillow]

to me the chosen sounds like a paladin from wow that might have demonic spells instead of holy (or atleast that is the way you guys are trying to make him sound)

hm, i actually don't really like wow, but i guess you're right! that's the kind of impression, that i personally get as well.

[Arazael]

Contrary to popular belief, WoW did not invent the Paladin.

[Nerve_V_]

From an interview at YouTube I read, I heard a Chosen's ... "aspiration" or potential will be the, and I am quoting Paul Barnett when I say this, "they will be able to fighter better... while not on the ground"

Since we praise Tzeentch, the bird God, and due to Paul's interview, I guess we get wings O_O; Maybe not like crazy Gyrocopter flying, or airplane height. Maybe like a Magus' disk or a slightly taller hover? :o


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1xgZY_MqbU


Time: 4:04 he says there true aspiration

[Arijharn]

From an interview at YouTube I read, I heard a Chosen's ... "aspiration" or potential will be the, and I am quoting Paul Barnett when I say this, "they will be able to fighter better... while not on the ground"

Since we praise Tzeentch, the bird God, and due to Paul's interview, I guess we get wings O_O; Maybe not like crazy Gyrocopter flying, or airplane height. Maybe like a Magus' disk or a slightly taller hover? :o


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1xgZY_MqbU


Time: 4:04 he says there true aspiration

Or perhaps he's mounted on horseback?

[Nerve_V_]

From the horrible french interview on youtube, Paul Barnett mentions, "NO MOUNTED COMBAT"

:(

[Naestra]

From the horrible french interview on youtube, Paul Barnett mentions, "NO MOUNTED COMBAT"

:(

Isn't that only for dwarfs (I think he says "Dwarfs aren't allowed to fight mounted, are you mad!?" something along those lines).

[Gemini]

Yeah, he says dwarves on mounts are silly, not that there will not be any mounted combat. There have been hints, and it seems to be a pretty popular theory around here, that the KotBS and the Chosen will be mounted-combat guys.

[TaurenMoo]

Take a look at the images, I think that the chosen while blessed and chosen by the god shall gain their abilities through their blade, in all the pictures it seems they wield large two handed rune blades... (note the magical effects coming off the blade almost like its breathing magic itself)

Thusly what if the Chosen is a huge big fighter empowered through his blade with other special abilities...

"The Rune Blades of Tzeentch act as the very hands of the great god, Tools of change wielded by Tzeentch's Chosen, these blades not only empower the warriors but allow them to Channel the power of Tzeentch to bring about change the only way his warriors know... With Blood and Force and Gore."

^^^ just a thought...