Worries about the KotBS?

[Dabigbom]

From what I see, the majority of you imperial lovers aren't too keen on playing the Knight of the Blazing Sun.....may I ask why? What are your reasons?

imo the KotBS looks really fantastic and in terms of his fighting style and his apparel, he looks great !

So why are you people so skeptical about this class?

[Huckbuck]

I've asked myself the same question. I really love the KotBS, but many people doesnt. I heard someone say something about the helmet, it was ugly they say.

[Juther - Holy Knight]

i think people needs more info about the Knight to appreciate it.

The first image is simply "a first image".

There is many knowledge about the Witch Hunter ( background ), about the Warrior Priest ( background and game style in War), about the Bright Wizard ( like the Warrior Priest + screen shots ). Wait for more info about the Knight and people will begin to appreciate it :).

[Ralzar]

Yeah, there's allmost no info on the KotBS. And just one concept art picture. While there's a plethora of images of the other three classes.
I'm betting we'll see in increase in KotBS interest once we get some in-depth info on the class.

[Flamingwonky]

Thus far, we've seen some concept art, a few vague design concepts involving tactical combat and not-so-subtle hints at mounted warfare.

I don't think people are unenthusiastic about playing KotBS. I see quite a few knights around, but other Empire melee classes like the WP and Witch Hunter are very appealing in their own right, not to begin to speak of classes in other armies. So naturally, the KotBS doesn't get a huge amount of attention. This effect is furthered by it being a noncontroversial class, unlike the WP-Paladin comparisons. I certainly see a smattering of future knights on these boards, and it's not a dead class by any means, though.

Personally, I'm committed to rolling a dps/tank, and the KotBS sound perfect. The only reason I might be somewhat hesitant is if Empire gets overpopulated, or if Knights have gameplay mechanics I'm not comfortable with. My second choice is Hammerer, with a distant Chosen possibility. Either way, I've decided to dedicate myself to one primary character and avoid my usual altaholism. :D

[Ralzar]

It should also be mentioned that even if the interest in the class isn't overwhelming, chances are that there wil be a healthy amount of Knights when the game is released.

"Human knight" is never exactly the LEAST played class in a fantasy game ;)

[Flegler]

It's being restricted to one Order of Knights that puts me off. It seems like everyone's going to look the same, with golden suns all over their armour. If it were a more generic Empire Knight class I'd play it in an instant.

[Dabigbom]

Yeah, there's allmost no info on the KotBS.

Here's some info i've managed to gather about the KotBS:



Knights of the Blazing Sun

The Knights of the Blazing Sun are the third largest and influential of the Knightly Orders in The Empire. The knights belonging to this order are all followers of Myrmidia, a goddess of warfare especially popular in the southern parts of the Old World.

History

During the wars against Araby some of the Empire's knights helped to recapture the Temple of Myrmidia in Magritta in 1457 IC, the southern sea port of Estalia. This was part of the crusades which eventually freed the land of Estalia from the Arabian invaders. The battle was a great victory for the Knights of the Old World, made all the remarkable by a strange and prophetic occurrence. During the fierce street fighting around the temple of Myrmidia, a group of knights found themselves surrounded by the dreaded Black Scimitar Guard led by Emir Wasr the Cruel. Just as the Arabians closed in a sudden earth tremor shook the temple, dislodging a huge bronze statue of Myrmidia riding a pegasus which was fixed on its topmost steeple. The statue plummeted to the ground below, smashing into a thousand fragments and crushing the Emir and his troops. This event was to prove the turning point of the battle. Afterwards, upon returning to Empire, the surviving knights of that battle established the Order of the Blazing Sun with Myrmidia as its patron and protector and built a shrine to Myrmidia in Talabheim.Though many folk mistrust them for courting strange foreign deities, the Knights of the Blazing Sun have unceasingly fought with distinction against the enemies of the Empire and are held as a prized ally by many Elector Counts.

Appearance

These knights wear armour of burnished brass, and their shields bear the device of the blazing sun. Their standard depics a soaring Pegasus against the blazing sun emblem.

The Age of Reckoning seems like a period of fury,fire and fanaticism for the Empire, which imo sounds really great.

[Veilside]

I think it's just because the witchhunter and the warrior priest look more interesting. When WAR comes out i have no doubt that the KoBS will get a lot more attention.

[Boulvae]

I like the knight, he's actually a knight for once.

[Skozat]

I personally am most interested in playing a goblin shaman (it's good to be needed) and a KotBS. Mechanics are most important, and without getting a feel for the class it's impossible to say. As far as concept and supposed role go, I like both.

From the concept art, the knights do look goofy as heck, however with all the appearance customization, I have faith that everyone won't have to look quite that gaudy.

Besides, I really like the concept of the man in a world of monsters, beset from all sides, a dying breed who can go toe-to-toe with the world's greatest abominations with only his skill, his arms, and his courage to call upon.

[Montbrun]

I'm definately playing a KotBS as my main. I'm a Bret fan, so this is as close as I can get, for now.

I think a Witchunter will make a good alt....

[Grandmaster]

I have been into Knights since I was a little child ;). I have a 4000-5000pts Warhammer Empire Knights Army as well :cool: . So yes .. I will play a Knight.
But I agree with Flegler. Beeing not restricted to a rather small specific order, like the Knights of the Blazing sun (I don`t think they are the 3rd order with the most influence), would have been better. I do like their style, but everyone looking pretty much like me, is turning me off a bit :rolleyes:.

I think the Knight is the only class that has this 'problem' and it might have been clever, to invest a bit more into the subject.

[Seldaren]

It's being restricted to one Order of Knights that puts me off. It seems like everyone's going to look the same, with golden suns all over their armour. If it were a more generic Empire Knight class I'd play it in an instant.

WAR's design isn't exactly going for generic though. So I think a generic Knight career would've been out of place. And, it would've been somewhat difficult to actually do.

By selecting a specific Knightly Order, they get a bunch of Lore and Background.

They get the friction of being a foreign Goddess (which will hopefully be mentioned).
They get the one of the more accepting Orders, Blazing Sun isn't Noble like the majority of the Orders.
They get easily distinguishable iconography (that isn't based on Sigmar too).
They get a Knightly Order based in Talabheim, with Talabecland as a zone in-game.

I think it's much easier to tell the Story part (via quests and background in game) with a specific Order.
A generic Order would've meant generic Quests.

It should also be mentioned that even if the interest in the class isn't overwhelming, chances are that there wil be a healthy amount of Knights when the game is released.

"Human knight" is never exactly the LEAST played class in a fantasy game

That's pretty much true. Many gamers go with "what they know", and an armored human knight on horseback is probably one of the most easily recognizable things in any Fantasy game.
So yeah, I highly doubt the KotBS will be an underplayed class.

Seldaren

[Stuntie]

Played Warhammer, got the books etc. but when I heard that it ws to be Knights of the Balzing Sun my first thought was 'Who?'.

I expected the Panthers, Reiksguards or something at least realitively well known.

[Veilside]

Played Warhammer, got the books etc. but when I heard that it ws to be Knights of the Balzing Sun my first thought was 'Who?'.

I expected the Panthers, Reiksguards or something at least realitively well known.

They certainly aren't an unknown chapter if you've been following warhammer for more than a couple of years.

[Eldrik]

Possibly because people think they look too OTT. I, however, am looking forward to playing KotBS and I can't wait to join my fellow Knights on the front line defending our squishy casters from boogey men.

[Sytrus]

It's being restricted to one Order of Knights that puts me off. It seems like everyone's going to look the same, with golden suns all over their armour. If it were a more generic Empire Knight class I'd play it in an instant.

I doubt that is entirely true, I'm sure the game designers have put great thought into it. Keep in mind the type of rewards you display will always be different. And even if you are entirely correct, nothing seems more intimidating than a well organized force of healers and wizards with fists of fire behind the golden shields of what seemingly looks like an army.

To see 12 dudes looking the same shows organization and structure..i.e. intimdation. Plus, have you seen the size of the KOTBS shields? Check out pauls video blog.... pretty indimidating in it of itself.:cool:

[Fusko]

I think the reason no one wants to play them is because of the picture they gave for him (http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/conceptArt/full/12192006_06.jpg), where the visor on his helm is lifted up, made the helmet look sorta weaksauce.


Had Mythic made a picture more like this (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/empire/painting/knights/gallery/images/popup.htm?blazingsunb.jpg) I think it would've gotten more attention.

But honestly, I wanna see a warrior priest or two plus 7-8 KotBS in a giant mass. It would be like a giant iron wall. Fun to think about, makes me reconsider rolling a magus.

[Raxman]

Is it just me or do any one else get an old conquistador feeling of that art.

probably just that all armour from that time period start to resemble eachother.

[Horus]

main problems I see is that if you want to play at tank class , the others seen up to now seem much more sweet ( Black orc , chosen, Ironbreaker). And if you wanna play empire , witch hunters , warrior priest and Bright wizard have more flavor IMO.

[Fusko]

Another thing I can see is from the picture they look really defensive, sort of lacking any real offense. First impressions can mean a lot, and with the picture they gave the KotBS, I don't think it really did them justice. Take the Chosen for example, they got an incredibly intimidating red-eyed dark knight, with a sword that was crackling with magical energy, and with the KotBS they gave some semi-opposing figure, who looked more like a pushover than any real threat.

I'm hoping that the KotBS will be able to look as imposing as the Chaos Chosen, and not some foppish knight.

Just my .2 ;)

[Michael Ritter]

Well I if you look at the concept art, you can see some KoTBS with Zweihanders 2h looking sword. One of my favorite weapons in history, never doubt a zweihander even against those pesky Polearmers. I'm sure they will be as much offensive as any other Tank in WAR. Again, these guys aren't no Norscans infused with power of the Dark Gods, there still normal humans in plate. Personally, I would like to see some less ornate looking armor and some gritty late platemail armor somewhat like what the Warrior Priest without ornate bronze and such. Too flashy for me right now.

[Arizen]

Played Warhammer, got the books etc. but when I heard that it ws to be Knights of the Balzing Sun my first thought was 'Who?'.


Hm, perhaps GW thought it was time to bring out the KotBS into mainstream lore and told Mythic to use them?

Btw, I hear that KotBS aren't idiot nobles, and are actually cunning, down-to-earth warriors, unlike most knights. This, at least for me, is a very good thing, although I've yet to find official lore on this.

[Fusko]

Hm, perhaps GW thought it was time to bring out the KotBS into mainstream lore and told Mythic to use them?

Btw, I hear that KotBS aren't idiot nobles, and are actually cunning, down-to-earth warriors, unlike most knights. This, at least for me, is a very good thing, although I've yet to find official lore on this.

The reason is because they worship the goddess of war, Myrmidia. Where Ulric presides over raw courage, strength of arm, and the battle prowess of warriors as individuals, Myrmidia is the patron of the art and science of warfare, including strategy, codified martial arts, tactical manoeuvrings, proffessional soldiery and military structures.

Or thats what Liber Chaotica has to say about her. :mrgreen:

[Veilside]

Hm, perhaps GW thought it was time to bring out the KotBS into mainstream lore and told Mythic to use them?

Btw, I hear that KotBS aren't idiot nobles, and are actually cunning, down-to-earth warriors, unlike most knights. This, at least for me, is a very good thing, although I've yet to find official lore on this.

They were a fun class to play in the Wolfenburg MUD.

[Amelung]

Generally i need one question answered, are knights able to act as knights in combat or not?
Means also is there mounted combat, not only as an aliby-content, really as mounted warhammerlike combat? Or not?
If it will be possible i would be glad, also there is 'only' one order of knights playable.

First i was a bit shocked, warhammer only possible to play with one possibilitiy of all famous orders of knights? Now if im knowing it will be realized in that way, then i want really warhammerlike abilities of that one possibility but so my pretensions in knightly combat is very high, because we have only 'one' playable.

[Rarduzi]

Is it just me or do any one else get an old conquistador feeling of that art.

That was the first impression I got from it, yeah.

[Twip]

Mounted combat is my bigged concern. If mounted combat is really stressed, you'll not see me playing a KotBS. I will give it the benefit of the doubt, but it just doesn't look all that great to me. I can imagine an awkward slashing of the sword situation against some orc wailing on your ankle. Mounted combat will make or break this class for me, which sucks because I really like them so far.

[Smachaz]

I don't think its the fact that it is KotBS, but that it is ONLY the KotBS.

Many people wanted to play an other order, or just choose an other order, so not ALL Empire Knights will be KotBS.


Chances are i would of chose a KotBS anyway, but then again White Wolfs are awesome too.

[Woe]

From what I see, the majority of you imperial lovers aren't too keen on playing the Knight of the Blazing Sun.....may I ask why? What are your reasons?

I've asked myself the same question. I heard someone say something about the helmet, it was ugly they say.

My rebuttle after 5 mins w/ PS:CS2
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/9840/kotbslolzj8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

When I considered melee classes for Empire, the original concept of the KOBS sounded cool, but I leaned more towards Witch Hunter after being persuaded by a friend to dual-roll with him.

[Wren]

personally I find the feathered hat more appealing than the silly pilgrim hat for witch hunters. makes me think they should be carrying around a turkey and some corn on the cob too.

[Dana]

Aye, it looks amazing. Hopefuly KotBS wont be pupular so I can play them...

[Brandotheninjamaster]

I am a little skeptical on the whole "directing others to fight thing" (http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/Empire/Careers/KnightofhteBS.php)
It seems like it could be really awesome or the opposite. I still think that it is worth a try at least.

[Torm51]

I am a little skeptical on the whole "directing others to fight thing" (http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/Empire/Careers/KnightofhteBS.php)
It seems like it could be really awesome or the opposite. I still think that it is worth a try at least.

Totally agreed. it has the potential to be GREAT, but it can really suck........but i guess that can be said for all classes.

[Jonas]

I am a little skeptical on the whole "directing others to fight thing" (http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/Empire/Careers/KnightofhteBS.php)
It seems like it could be really awesome or the opposite. I still think that it is worth a try at least.

I think you should read that as: "buffer"

I'm pretty sure that the KotBS will be a TankDPS/Buffer. Why? Because it creates a legitimate reason to target them first. If you kill them, then everyone in the party is less powerful; hence, they become a very legitimate target - it's kind of like what they've done with Ironbreakers and Grudge and how if you leave a Black Orc alone, he'll disrupt your team.

[Flegler]

Because it creates a legitimate reason to target them first. If you kill them, then everyone in the party is less powerful
The buffs would need to be very powerful to make Knights preferred targets. Generally you want to take out the classes that pose the most immediate threat. I sincerely hope the KotBS has other abilities to let them tank in PvP.

[Okri]

Well, positional attacks have been mentioned, to make people not want to turn their back on you. That could probably make tanking a little easier. And I think all tanks might have the standard taunt, ie. making the target do less damage to everybody but the tank.

[Pieter Klass]

I like the taunt idea the one they use in WOW sucks no good in PvP, i think one reason they chose the KoTbS is because the White wolves and reiksguard will b at the main battles with the emperor so these guys are like the magnificent 7 they ride in to town and drill all the villages into making a stand and if that don't work there is always the inqu.....witch hunters.

[Ken]

I'm sure they haven't 100% confirmed that the knight WILL have mounted combat because they're still so on the fence... but if being on a mount is linked with battlefield commands, I think it'll be an interesting class.

Either way. Even if they don't keep mounted combat and they don't feel like they can do it while still keeping it fun (or for whatever reason), I think I will enjoy playing a Knight when I play my Order alts.

[Thalion]

I like the knight, he's actually a knight for once.

well said.

[jkdfhk]

First impressions made me not want to be one ... i mean just look at them http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/Empire/Careers/KnightofhteBS.php
Thats funny looking .... they dont look scary or powerful ..... no dout they are scary and powerful but first impressions thats your answer a person who knows almost nothing about them (Like me) will go for a class based on first impressions.

[Latreen]

From what I see, the majority of you imperial lovers aren't too keen on playing the Knight of the Blazing Sun.....may I ask why? What are your reasons?

...

Just can't bring myself to go into battle wearing a feather duster on my head.

That and being referred to as a Knight of the BS... :rolleyes:

[Yavvy]

But I agree with Flegler. Beeing not restricted to a rather small specific order, like the Knights of the Blazing sun (I don`t think they are the 3rd order with the most influence), would have been better. I do like their style, but everyone looking pretty much like me, is turning me off a bit :rolleyes:.

I think the Knight is the only class that has this 'problem' and it might have been clever, to invest a bit more into the subject.No it isn't.

Mythic is going for a standard look for each career and race. A KotBS is not going to look like a WP, but like a KotBS. Another Knight will have the same style as you, tho you won't be completely alike (trophies, different armor etc).

Knights aren't the only ones restricted to a single order either, Wizards are as well. You will only be able to play a Bright Wizard, none of the other 7 colors.

[Tro]

i think its cause they are the tanks but dont look as cool as black orcs. notice in the picture. the KoTBS look like a weak old man. he didnt even look buff or bad

[Jonas]

i think its cause they are the tanks but dont look as cool as black orcs. notice in the picture. the KoTBS look like a weak old man. he didnt even look buff or bad

I am hoping this very fact will keep the 'cool kids' from playing them. :D

[kingsword]

Hah indeed, that alone makes me love the helmets even more! I'm looking towards the gorgeous display of those on my character! I want to quote a legendary post from another forum regarding this:

Maximilian von Nuln said:
Our elite special forces wear bicycle helmets instead of the sturdier looking K-Pots. Go further back in history to the badarse Roman Legion. Those boys didn't even wear pants. Give 'em a polished glinting chestplate, a girly skirt, and a long sword, and a bright red and gold shield. All they needed in life, and every last one of them was proud to be wearing it. But it was gaudy as all get out.

The Knights are no different. They are the elite of the infantry. They have fought as foot sloggers for decades and now they're given a horse and some bling. The Knights are pimp. Really, who do you think is going to get all the babes anyway? The antisocial freak rogue? The twitchy guy that's on fire? The bald celebate clergyman? No. The guy wearing gold, the guy who has kicked so much butt he goes around wearing guady !#&* just so people attack him.

That's just balls, though. "I can kick your %^* and look better than you in the process. Bring it."

:cool:

[Draculrom]

He looks like a loser thats why. Compared to all the Destruction tanks, he looks like a total pansy. I was expecting something along the lines of Chosen but not as hulk looking for an Empire tank. Not some dude with bird feathers on his helmet...

[Jonas]

He looks like a loser thats why. Compared to all the Destruction tanks, he looks like a total pansy. I was expecting something along the lines of Chosen but not as hulk looking for an Empire tank. Not some dude with bird feathers on his helmet...

If you don't think they look cool, don't play one. It's pretty simple.

You're not going to like every class in the game. Other people are going to like classes you dislike. People are different. I personally am inspired by the relatively 'mundane' nature of the KotBS; it suits what I want from the game. That's why there are multiple different classes to choose from, so we can all have something that appeals to us :)

[Norick13]

He looks like a loser thats why. Compared to all the Destruction tanks, he looks like a total pansy. I was expecting something along the lines of Chosen but not as hulk looking for an Empire tank. Not some dude with bird feathers on his helmet...


I actually think, next to Chosen, KoTBS looks the coolest. Different strokes for different folks you should know that by now. :roll:

[kingsword]

I guess some people have no knowledge about how some knight orders had funny-looking (by today's standards that is, I bet 200 years later they'll laugh at green berets' berets too) helmets yet at the same time completely dominated the battlefield. Check out Teutonic knights or French gendarmes.

[Norick13]

Their class description even outlines how they are actually pretty dastardly fighters, rather than courageous Knights (those are the warrior priests).

I guess some people just don't understand style and flare :shock:

[Grandmaster]

I just hope we have the same staying power and damage output as all the other tanks, because from what I`ve read so far, we are the only ones with 'buff' abilities, and the others are only about dealing and taking damage.

[logicalmayhem]

i think that KTBS look realy evil and not in a cool like a chosen, way but in the kinda evil churchly way lol.

anyway dont like it lol so i wont be gooing anywhere near them :P

[Jonas]

I just hope we have the same staying power and damage output as all the other tanks, because from what I`ve read so far, we are the only ones with 'buff' abilities, and the others are only about dealing and taking damage.

See, I don't buy the idea lots of people have been putting about since the swordmaster came out, that some tanks will do 'more damage' than others and others will mitigate better.

I think some tanks will do damage in different ways. For example, the Ironbreaker may be less focused on the weapon he is using for determining his damage and more on his Grudge level. Ultimately though, each tank should do about as much damage as any other and mitigate damage about as well as any other, otherwise the archetype system fails. How they do it is the big difference in the end, which doesn't neccessarily need to be cosmetic, but at the same time, does need to take into consideration elements such as the very random nature of avoidance; although this can be handled by having any single attack doing a relatively small part of a person's hitpoints, which always allows the damage mitigation of avoidance to 'average out' a bit more (it's still not as good, but hey, some people like it)