My IB low dmg

[Manuh]

Good god, is the IB community really this whiny? Get over it, this class is amazing, has amazing support, and running with a slayer you will dominate the game.

You sirs, need to L2Play.

[dovnehund]

Originally Posted by Manuh

Good god, is the IB community really this whiny? Get over it, this class is amazing, has amazing support, and running with a slayer you will dominate the game.

You sirs, need to L2Play.

and ill bet u an arm and a leg that u Sir are 2handed spec with ravagespamming

[Mickeye]

@Manuh: You play chosen right? Well check my sword&board chosen score:
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I know, I know, overall damage isn't that great, but you know why? Most people just disappears in front of my ravage. I just laugh when I can solo 3 people including 2 healers. But sure, Ironbreakers are muuuch better than chosens.

[Manuh]

Originally Posted by Mickeye

@Manuh: You play chosen right? Well check my sword&board chosen score:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3725/osrik003.jpg
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I know, I know, overall damage isn't that great, but you know why? Most people just disappears in front of my ravage. I just laugh when I can solo 3 people including 2 healers. But sure, Ironbreakers are muuuch better than chosens.

Hahahahahaha, T1 screenshots are the basis of your argument? Epic fail. If that's what you're showing off, I refer you to the post I made in here with my 50k+ screenshots of my IB.

I do not think my IB is better than my Chosen but my IB is still low level and my Chosen is RR70 and decked out with gear. Chosen is a much easier class than IB so I can understand why a lot of you facerollers wouldn't be able to find much success with a DPS IB. The burst capability with all the buffs and the 4s knockdown is just amazing, they may not have the sheer solo capability as a Chosen (due to the grudge mechanic) but they are hands-down the best 2vX class in game. I'm running a DPS IB with my buddy rolling a 2h Slayer and it's just nuts, can't wait until we're rocking T4.

The sheer complaining about Ravage amuses me, because my auto-attack crits for over 1.5k on my Chosen. My knockdown crits for over 1k, hell, even cleave crits for over 1k. Ravage is as OP as Heavy Blow with a 100 grudge Stone Breaker on someone.

Conclusion: I think Chosen are OP but I also think my IB is pretty damn OP as well. Overall, I'm just amazed that people with one of the best classes in the game will still sit here and whine and complain about how they're not powerful enough. You guys are worse than the BW community. Enjoy what you have before it gets nerfed.


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[Summoner]

Yet another t1-t3 IB twink is trying to teach us how to play.

Well, it's sarcasm but check my post above: i only meant that i have to go over the top with my IB to get the same effectivity as any chosen just using a few buttons - blast wave, rending blade, quake, challenge, root (enough for AoE bomping group) or dizzying blow, touch of pasty, sever blessing, taunt, ravage (enough for single DD). I assume that auras are rolling automaticaly.
Also keep in mind that chosen has almost no problem with APs even in heavy lag while IB is struggling hard to save some ap for dmg burst.

PS. Here is the list of the skills im using on veng/brother IB for pure offence (SD as you cannot count IB as AoE DD due to lack of skill on short CD - REA on 10s, ES on 20s):
binding grudge, heavy blow, inspiring attack, stone breaker, taunt, rune-etched axe, stubborn as stone, cave-in, earthshatter, sever blessing, punishing blow, that's already more than chosen is using for both - AoE and SD and i didn't include root and challenge.

[Mickeye]

Originally Posted by Manuh

Hahahahahaha, T1 screenshots are the basis of your argument? Epic fail. If that's what you're showing off, I refer you to the post I made in here with my 50k+ screenshots of my IB.

There was only one screenshot from t1. Other two were from t2 and yeah I guess I'm epic fail doing 24 deathblows and 65k damage as lvl13 s&b chosen. But yeah whatever.
Apart that, i do agree chosens are OP, and I'd agree 100 grudge Veng/Bro IB is OP aswell, but chosens are much better. Simple as that.

[Fop]

Originally Posted by Manuh

Hahahahahaha, T1 screenshots are the basis of your argument? Epic fail. If that's what you're showing off, I refer you to the post I made in here with my 50k+ screenshots of my IB.

The general class distribution says it all.

Within the class 2hd IBers are getting rarer and rarer in T4, there are probably significantly more SnB IBer about now.

Compared to other T4 tanks IBers are nothing like as common, with loads of SM and KoTBS about.

That's not to say IBers are terrible, but they probably aren't even the top Order tank now, never mind top overall tank in WAR.

Originally Posted by Manuh

I do not think my IB is better than my Chosen

Chosen is the best WAR tank by a long way, never mind just better than the IBer.... it's actually mostly what hurts BGs, not that they are especially weak, but rather why play a BG when you could play a Chosen?

[Manuh]

Originally Posted by Fop

Chosen is the best WAR tank by a long way

Highly exaggerated, that's all I'm sayin.

[Timmeh]

Originally Posted by Manuh

Highly exaggerated, that's all I'm sayin.

I would agree Chosen are the best PVP tank, and especially compared to the other choices available to destruction. Auras, ravage | spirit damage spam, and a host of utility abilities cannot be beat. Not going to disagree that guy is exaggerating though.

I think IB that whine about their class are retards. Gromril plating, oathfriend buffs, heavy blow, punishing blow, stone breaker, etc. all make IB quite good. IB is the second best melee dps for order after slayers with fantastic utility and good damage. Go ahead, explain to me how a white lion or witch hunter (good classes) are better than an IB for RVR. Sad truth but IB are more useful by quite a bit. A good player and even better good teamwork wins.. but if all things were equal I know which class I'd want that good player to play.

(BTW, saying a BW is a melee dps is cheating!! ... even if it is true).

Knight and Chosen are just more effective in mass combat. Auras are impossible to beat and required at upper level competition. Gromril plating and +400 willpower buff puts the IB in the picture, though.

[Manuh]

Originally Posted by Timmeh

I would agree Chosen are the best PVP tank, and especially compared to the other choices available to destruction. Auras, ravage | spirit damage spam, and a host of utility abilities cannot be beat. Not going to disagree that guy is exaggerating though.

I think IB that whine about their class are retards. Gromril plating, oathfriend buffs, heavy blow, punishing blow, stone breaker, etc. all make IB quite good. IB is the second best melee dps for order after slayers with fantastic utility and good damage. Go ahead, explain to me how a white lion or witch hunter (good classes) are better than an IB for RVR. Sad truth but IB are more useful by quite a bit. A good player and even better good teamwork wins.. but if all things were equal I know which class I'd want that good player to play.

(BTW, saying a BW is a melee dps is cheating!! ... even if it is true).

Knight and Chosen are just more effective in mass combat. Auras are impossible to beat and required at upper level competition. Gromril plating and +400 willpower buff puts the IB in the picture, though.

I would entirely agree that Chosen is 100% the top PvP tank for Destro, but overall I think that the IB and Chosen are pretty close in usefulness.

And yes, I'm glad you can agree that IBs complaining about their class are retards.

[Storman]

A 2h chosen has better dps and at the same time has the same survivability as an IB with shield/defensive stats while not having the gear/rr requirement.

I’m not saying that as a complaint though. My IB does just fine but then again I’m rr71 with good gear and a pocket healer. I really don’t care that another class is better, that’s just how all mmos are.

[Fop]

Originally Posted by Manuh

Highly exaggerated, that's all I'm sayin.

In RvR Chosen are better than any other tank class 2hd.

In RvR Chosen at least as good any anything else SnB.

It's also a very, very easy class to play to a decent level (as a few addons and it's almost 1 button mashing), as opposed to say a IBer or BG which take a fair bit of setting up and practice to play decently.




Maybe other tank are better at PvE (although I stuggle to think of any), but WAR isn't about PvE.

So how is it exaggerated?

[Timmeh]

Originally Posted by Fop

In RvR Chosen are better than any other tank class 2hd.

In RvR Chosen at least as good any anything else SnB.

It's also a very, very easy class to play to a decent level (as a few addons and it's almost 1 button mashing), as opposed to say a IBer or BG which take a fair bit of setting up and practice to play decently.

Maybe other tank are better at PvE (although I stuggle to think of any), but WAR isn't about PvE.

So how is it exaggerated?

The relative difference between chosen knight IB is not as great as people make out. Easier is not relevant. If anything easier means boring, so a negative.

Any tank can do any PVE. IB is probably better than chosen, because the abilities in the stone tree are pretty awesome and better than what a chosen gets. But I agree who cares about pve :P.

I do think Chosen has a big up in shield spec due to ravage spam being high damage. But most chosen don't spec with a shield, and a shield is a detriment once you get LOTD items in to the picture (upper tier gear). So it's exagerrated.

[Fop]

Originally Posted by Timmeh

The relative difference between chosen knight IB is not as great as people make out. Easier is not relevant. If anything easier means boring, so a negative.

Any tank can do any PVE. IB is probably better than chosen, because the abilities in the stone tree are pretty awesome and better than what a chosen gets. But I agree who cares about pve :P.

I do think Chosen has a big up in shield spec due to ravage spam being high damage. But most chosen don't spec with a shield, and a shield is a detriment once you get LOTD items in to the picture (upper tier gear). So it's exagerrated.

It's probably Chosen>KOTBS>IB (although other tanks are now much more on par with IBer than they once were - I still say the BGs biggest problem and reason for it's low pop ratio is it greater diffculty to play well and relative RvR power vs the Chosen, not against any Order class).


But Chosen are still the top dog by a bit, both in absolute power (solo, small group and zerg) and because they are pretty easy to set up to play "well" (KOTBS are easier too, but the IBer or BG for example takes a lot more effort to get to the same level of playing and it does make a BIG difference as allows a lot of players to play "well" without much effort or practice - if I don't play my IBer for a while it takes a lot to get back up to full speed again my Chosen is much easier to do so on).

[Manuh]

Originally Posted by Fop

It's probably Chosen>KOTBS>IB (although other tanks are now much more on par with IBer than they once were - I still say the BGs biggest problem and reason for it's low pop ratio is it greater diffculty to play well and relative RvR power vs the Chosen, not against any Order class).


But Chosen are still the top dog by a bit, both in absolute power (solo, small group and zerg) and because they are pretty easy to set up to play "well" (KOTBS are easier too, but the IBer or BG for example takes a lot more effort to get to the same level of playing and it does make a BIG difference as allows a lot of players to play "well" without much effort or practice - if I don't play my IBer for a while it takes a lot to get back up to full speed again my Chosen is much easier to do so on).

You're saying that Chosen > KotBS for group play.

All credibility lost.