offical forums

[Thor123]

Mark has said that the only forums they will have will be for tech support but that is it. I am glad since it is just a mess to moderate and control, if anything I will post here but that is just my personal choice.

[Manji]

It nice to hear confirmations about it. I really hate officials forums for most mmo games out. And, it tends to tract some of the worst people out there to it.

[Vaegrin]

Official forums have serious problems, but I actually hope very much that WAR has official forums. Official forums have some real benefits, after all. It's a rather strange and arbitrary way of dividing up the community to separate according to which fansites people visit. And what if you miss some important discussion on some other forum you don't usually visit? Let people who have a particular affection for a fansite go there, but don't force everyone else to go digging for the best fansites just because there's no official forum.

What's really a bad idea is having one "General" forum like World of Warcraft has. A better idea might be to replace the function of the "General" forum with server-specific forums. There are probably better ideas, but the point is that the problem is the size of the community, so if you can somehow divide that up a bit it should be beneficial.

[Nasty]

I hope they make official forums. I liked the WoW ones. Maybe I am one of the said a$$h@ts or maybe I'm just used to more easy going forums. WA is waaaaaaaaaaaay too heavily moderated.

[dutch_gamer]

Originally Posted by Vaegrin

Official forums have serious problems, but I actually hope very much that WAR has official forums. Official forums have some real benefits, after all. It's a rather strange and arbitrary way of dividing up the community to separate according to which fansites people visit. And what if you miss some important discussion on some other forum you don't usually visit? Let people who have a particular affection for a fansite go there, but don't force everyone else to go digging for the best fansites just because there's no official forum.

What important discussion could you possibly miss? As if you can't miss an "important" discussion on the WoW General forum when tons of threads get created every minute. There are plenty good discussion you can have on this or other forums. Better yet, with an unofficial forum it is even much easier to find good discussion than on an official forum, because you hardly have to deal with trolls.

Also, I don't see how the community benefits when the WoW community doesn't benefit from having official forums in any way. DAoC had a far better community and there has never been an official forum. The community of a game isn't formed through forums but through the game. The community is the realm you play with and they always end up with an "official" server forum, everyone who is truly a part of the community will know about.

What's really a bad idea is having one "General" forum like World of Warcraft has. A better idea might be to replace the function of the "General" forum with server-specific forums. There are probably better ideas, but the point is that the problem is the size of the community, so if you can somehow divide that up a bit it should be beneficial.

That won't help one bit. The server forums would turn into general forums. When people get the chance to post on official forums, it will no matter what lead to the nonsense Mythic is so much against. One server forum would become the defacto forum for all the nonconstructive posts.

I hope they make official forums. I liked the WoW ones. Maybe I am one of the said a$$h@ts or maybe I'm just used to more easy going forums. WA is waaaaaaaaaaaay too heavily moderated.

Mythic has said countless of times there will be no official forum. They aren't changing their tune on this. I think this forum has a fine moderation. I can't stand the other option, the VN Boards, which I think can be worse than the WoW boards.

[Gemini]

Originally Posted by Nasty

WA is waaaaaaaaaaaay too heavily moderated.

Well, there are plenty of other less strictly-moderated forums for you. Heres a list of fansites Mythic likes. http://herald.warhammeronline.com/fo...ites/index.php

[Aussie]

I have a strong feeling this site will be the mainstay of the WAR community. The Devs already have a great presence here.

[Garthilk]

Originally Posted by Nasty

I hope they make official forums. I liked the WoW ones. Maybe I am one of the said a$$h@ts or maybe I'm just used to more easy going forums. WA is waaaaaaaaaaaay too heavily moderated.

Folks,

Will there be official forums? Maybe. Despite whatever Mark says about forums today, that answer might change tommorow. That is the nature of business. So, never say never. That said however, Warhammer Alliance will continue to exist the same way it has for the last several years.

The same moderation, the same policies. We'll continue to evolve and adapt. If people don't like it, thankfully, there are several fantastic websites out there, all with varying degrees of moderation.

We're not the fansite for everyone. But I still think we're the best.

[Gaerolth]

Originally Posted by Garthilk

Folks,

Will there be official forums? Maybe. Despite whatever Mark says about forums today, that answer might change tommorow. That is the nature of business. So, never say never. That said however, Warhammer Alliance will continue to exist the same way it has for the last several years.

The same moderation, the same policies. We'll continue to evolve and adapt. If people don't like it, thankfully, there are several fantastic websites out there, all with varying degrees of moderation.

We're not the fansite for everyone. But I still think we're the best.

I tried out the other fansites. Although, I do vanish for extended periods of time I have to agree with you. In my humble opinion, this, is the best of the fansite forums. I'm sure that there's people on the other forums that claim that one is best but I really like it here. Besides, you guys might be strict in your moderation, but it's only for the best and to keep discussions on topic.

[Are'el]

While I used to think that centralizing the community at an official forum was important, I don't believe that anymore. You aren't going to miss anything by having the community split up between multiple third party sites, because all topics are mirrored everywhere.

It also helps to have multiple sites so as to keep the number of people on each one down. Just look at two examples of official forums, WoW and LotRO. WoW has a gigantic forum community, and it is a dung heap of inane complaining and flaming. LotRO has a much smaller community, and it remains decent and manageable. WAR is looking to be huge (in comparision to most MMOs, but probably not to WoW). With everyone split up, there's less chance of the community collapsing under its own weight.

Of course, the best thing about multiple third party sites is, diversity! If you don't like the people or the atmosphere at one site, move to another. Someone said they didn't like how regulated WHA is. That's fine, it isn't for everyone. But nothing is stopping you from moving to another site, one that is less strict about its rules. The Community Managers are going to pop thier heads into most sites, so your voice will be heard whereever you go.

Speaking of Community Managers, not having official forums removes the retarded, "Devs please read!" and "Need Blue reply!" posts. On official forums, you have too many people who think that their concerns are new and unique, and deserve special recognition from the company. With third party sites, that shouldn't be an issue. Sure, the CMs might post from time to time, but fewer will expect it.

[Gaerolth]

Originally Posted by Are'el

While I used to think that centralizing the community at an official forum was important, I don't believe that anymore. You aren't going to miss anything by having the community split up between multiple third party sites, because all topics are mirrored everywhere.

It also helps to have multiple sites so as to keep the number of people on each one down. Just look at two examples of official forums, WoW and LotRO. WoW has a gigantic forum community, and it is a dung heap of inane complaining and flaming. LotRO has a much smaller community, and it remains decent and manageable. WAR is looking to be huge (in comparision to most MMOs, but probably not to WoW). With everyone split up, there's less chance of the community collapsing under its own weight.

Of course, the best thing about multiple third party sites is, diversity! If you don't like the people or the atmosphere at one site, move to another. Someone said they didn't like how regulated WHA is. That's fine, it isn't for everyone. But nothing is stopping you from moving to another site, one that is less strict about its rules. The Community Managers are going to pop thier heads into most sites, so your voice will be heard whereever you go.

Speaking of Community Managers, not having official forums removes the retarded, "Devs please read!" and "Need Blue reply!" posts. On official forums, you have too many people who think that their concerns are new and unique, and deserve special recognition from the company. With third party sites, that shouldn't be an issue. Sure, the CMs might post from time to time, but fewer will expect it.

I agree with most of your post except the very end. That isn't true because people still do those posts on this forum. Infact, someone made such a thread pretty recently but other than that I completely agree.

[pitty]

I don't agree at all, Vanguard tried to do the same thing - in the end they gave up and gave everyone an official forum - well soe did anyway.

I quite like official forums and everything that comes with it.

I have no problems using this site though, as long as there is a strong dev presence so my feedback can at least have a chance of being read by a dev.

[Gaerolth]

Originally Posted by pitty

I don't agree at all, Vanguard tried to do the same thing - in the end they gave up and gave everyone an official forum - well soe did anyway.

I quite like official forums and everything that comes with it.

I have no problems using this site though, as long as there is a strong dev presence so my feedback can at least have a chance of being read by a dev.

Vanguard is a bad comparison. Vanguard was doing terrible and it wasen't because of the official forums. It wasen't that they caved in but was that they sold their game to another company (SoE). SoE wanted official servers for Vanguard so they made them. In the end, Vanguard is still dying.

[Are'el]

There are other outlets for letting the devs hear your concerns (or there will be once the game launches). There will be a feedback form that you can send to them, alerting them to bugs you might have found, balancing issues you think need addressed, or whatever else you might want to tell them. And there will be technical support. I never considered forums to be the best place to give devs feedback. There's just too much going on within a forum for the devs to be able to read everything, and too much complaining, nerf-cries, and other useless banter to sift through. Forums are better used to gauge the general mood of the community, not to address specific complaints.

[Mbj]

Originally Posted by Garthilk

Folks,

Will there be official forums? Maybe. Despite whatever Mark says about forums today, that answer might change tommorow. That is the nature of business. So, never say never. That said however, Warhammer Alliance will continue to exist the same way it has for the last several years.

Never.

There, I said it (again).

I would rather hear William Shatner and Roseanne Barr singing a duet while having my fingernails pulled out one by one while sitting in a pool of molten lava than have Mythic's own Official Forums for WAR.

How's that for clarity?

Mark