Female DoK don't go with Lore?

[Dukha]

More choice to the playerbase!
Down with gender restrictions! Well, maybe not for greenskins...

That is and remains my view.

[Leth]

Disciple is a follower of khaine to the max, they have devoted their lives to his worship. more then just a worshiper as all dark elves are they are different then those who are taken as children into the temple, these are people who chose this path of their own free will. In druchii society in general there is a distinction between male and female but they are equally ranked as a solid portion of the highest tier of dark elf society are female.

At least now in the druchii fluff they have allowed space for Male druchii sorcerers

[Farao51]

Are there even disciples in the lore?

mythic has done enough stupidity with the male only chosen and marauder, and the female only witch elf.

[Harlequin70]

Originally Posted by Farao51

Are there even disciples in the lore?

mythic has done enough stupidity with the male only chosen and marauder, and the female only witch elf.

No there arn't
repeat the last part of the second sentence to yourself slowly unitl you get it.

[Leth]

Female only witch elf, yes since 6th edition. Male only Chosen/marauder? Females in the chaos fluff are basically property, mostly gained by raids. Some are a group of clans together but still no females are given any power. So yes yes that is fluff. Disciples are in the fluff of some stories heck there is an entire city devoted to khaine, there is an entire echelon of priests/priestess not included in the table top game. There are many more facets of the druchii society.

[Zoatibix]

The Brides of Khaine have been exclusively female for as long as I can remember.

Chaos Warriors can be male or female in origin.

Disciples were invented for WAR...I don't recall them being in any GW novels before now.

[Leth]

that name, no concept, yes, if you look for 5th edition witch elf you will find male models. chosen can be but very very rarely, they pretty much have to be defectors from one of the human kingdoms

[GhostTree]

There is a night that dark elves are killed on sight by witch elves those young ones found are thrown into the cauldron, if a male comes out alive they are initiated into the cult of khaine the god of murder, they are trained in the ways of the assassin, the assassin and the disple of khaine are two different things, they are not the same thing so don't mix them up. I do not know much about the disple of khaine because it is a class made up by mythic although I know alot about the original warhammer lore made by gamesworkshop. So since the Disple of Khaine is made from mythic and they choose to give the class both genders then there is really no problem from what I know, in fact I think it is better that way, it gives more options.

[Anglakhel]

Originally Posted by Ayetalam

Well firstly, Assassins can't be female. In normal lore. Female Babies are not dumped into the cauldron, htey are trained ot be witch elves straight away. Only Male babies get dumped in teh cauldron. If they survive. THey become Assassins.

The 4th and 5th Edition state that Assassins are male. The 6th Edition says no such thing and leaves open the possibility that a female might become an Assassin. The idea that female infants are kidnapped on Death Night and become Witch Elves by being spared the Cauldron or by surviving the Cauldron is a common misconception and spread around as fact, but it is interpretation and not found within the Lore of the Army Books between Editions 4-6 (although it may change in 7th Edition. I have not yet read the new book.).

There is nothing in the official lore that states that only male children are thrown into the Cauldron and that female infants are instead raised as Witch Elves. The most common source I can find for this unofficial interpretation is the criticalhit.com Dark Elf information. That isn't an official source of Warhammer Lore and has less "unofficial" status than the Lore being created for WAR, seeing as how Games Workshop is consulted by Mythic as they create their game.

In 4th and 5th Edition, no babies are thrown into the Cauldron. Witch Elves are chosen for their merit. They are the strongest, cruelest and most beautiful of Dark Elf women. Assassins are male children that are abducted by Witch Elves on Death Night and then raised within the Temple. The Witch Elves specifically kidnap male children for the purpose of training them as Assassins in the Temple as part of the Death Night ritual.

In 6th Edition the story of infants being thrown into the Cauldrons on Death Night is introduced. It is stated that infants are all thrown into the Cauldron and any that survive are raised as Assassins in the Temple. There is absolutely no mention in 6th Edition of Assassins being male only, of Witch Elves being chosen on Death Night, or any sort of sorting of infants according to gender taking place at all.

Now it says that they leave the Cauldron with Eyes of brass. Since hte DoK is both female nad male, it means that they dump both Female and Male into the Cauldron. Cause there is no way for a female to get brass eyes unless they are dumped in. SO this leads us to say that they take both female and male babies and dump them into the cauldron. IF they come out with brass eyes, they get trained to be DoKs. If they don't, they go to their respective classes. Males -> Assassins, Females -> Witch Elves.

Whatever the differences in lore of the Temple and the Cauldron have been over the various editions of Warhammer, I agree that it is clearly the case within WAR Lore that all infants are thrown into the Cauldron of Blood. But it isn't supported by the WAR Lore or Warhammer Lore to conclude that females that survive the Cauldron become either Disciple or Witch Elves. What we can safely conclude is that all kidnapped infants on Death Night are throw into the Cauldron. If they survive they are trained by the Temple as Assassins. If they survive and are marked with eyes of brass, they are trained as Disciples of Khaine.

All of these opinions, interpretations, and arguments are based upon Dark Elf Lore through editions 4, 5, and 6. If they new book clarifies or complicates these issues it is not reflected in my arguments since I have not yet read the latest army book. If anyone has the new book and wants to share how the finer points of the Witch Elf and Assassin background are depicted, I would find it most interesting.

[Zoatibix]

Originally Posted by Leth

that name, no concept, yes, if you look for 5th edition witch elf you will find male models. chosen can be but very very rarely, they pretty much have to be defectors from one of the human kingdoms

Um...can you link pictures for those...because I played DE in 5th and I really don't remember any male WE. I mean some of those Marauder WE were pretty chunky girls but unless they were 'pre-op'...

As to the Chosen being renegades from the human kingdoms....why not? I'd imagine a fair few empire or Bret types feel the lure of the Chaos Gods and end up in the wastes battling for fortune, glory and a spot by the pool.

[Odon]

Heres a way to look at it...Witch elves are female...assassins are male....but nobody said these DoKs were assassins...look at them as priests of Druchii society.....and priests aren't exactly one gender over the other

[XenuLovesYou]

Any way you look at it, the whole 'healing powers from Khaine' thing is kind of a stretch to begin with.

[Rasek]

Mythic could have solved this very easy, at least with WE. All they needed to do were make a male version of the WE, like same weapons/gear/skills/stats, everything identical, just change the class name for whatever makes sense for a DE male assassin in Warhammer lore. No need for even change animations, and just tweak the gear visual for a male.

Green skin and chaos are an issue with this, but the dark elf WE? man, so easy, i bet that are lots of dagger assassins male classes in warhammer lore.

You click the female gender button, WE pop.
You click the male gender button, male assassin that uses same gear/weapons/skills/animations pop.