Which kills you first ? Backlash Or BW ?

[DuWolfy]

nice little SS

http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?i...7796910jb8.jpg

So in the first few seconds of a match i get hit by my own Backlash for

300
300
750
750
750
750

Guess what .. yeah my HP drops down to 20% before anyone even hits me.



Or maybe ill runinto a BW .. i cast doombolt ( a 3 second cast time ) and get hit 9 times by a BW standing stationary before it hits him. So with 6.5k HP im a 1 cast kill, I cast 1 spell and am dead before i can cast another.

Hey you know your class is naff when they opposition doesnt even bother root you with stop,drop an kick u in the teeth spells.

http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?i...7796910jb8.jpg


Kinda getting bored,

[sogeou]

That is the way you are setup. If you try calamity you will have less back lash and higher damage. HoR ticks 4 times for me I almost always get 3k in just one HoR. So that is just one backlash for 3k in damage. To where you need 2 doombolt and both to crit. 4 times to crit is better then 2. Most of the time HoR does not tick 4 times damn move is bugged still.

Also BW is mostly going to knock you down and silence you. So you are screwed if you are playing a smart BW. I use absorb vatility,bathing in blood,andalignment of naggaroth when soloing. I throw up shroud of darkness and debuff to help reduce the OP of the DoTs. This really seems to help reduce DoTs, and with the little HP from absorb vatility and a pot you can beat the BW. But I never start a solo with out thinking through I am going to do. I will run before I am ready to fight.

[kingamongpeasants]

sigh this is sad that someone can be so lost on how things work as you apparently are but I'll do my good deed for the day and help you out as after all, we were all noobs once.

You see those spells are Damage over time spells (now will be referred to as DoTs). What you are seeing is a bw you gets the drop on you casting cast different spells on you (1.4 x 4= how many seconds he had the drop on you) and than you noticing him after he has those dots on you. Those Dots do not tick immediately, they require time before the first tick and time without usually ticking every 3 secs so casted time +3 secs = first tick of damage.

The only non dot damage you took was withering heat which is a long cast damage spell that hits several times between the casting timer and called a channeled damage spell. Also, flame of rhuin is a spell that has a 25% chance to hit whenever one of the bright wizards spells causes damage to a target.

Out of all of the above mentioned spells sorcs have all of them in their own versions. Dots, a damage add spelll, and a channeled spell.

Infact you may not know this but sorcs even have a tactic that allows there damage add to hit 75% of the time instead of 25% (which is what bws are stuck with) AND sorcs version of withering heat does on an average a half of a tick more worth of damage in the same timeframe.

Understanding the game better will make your experience with teh game much more pleasurable as you know why things are happening and how to counter them instead of being completely confused and lost on how things work.

Wow just noticed that you have to be lvl 40 as my lvl 40 bw takes the same damage from 100 comb backlast (750) and you still seem to be confused. I strongly recommend againts using the PL services until you at least understand the game.

[klemzo]

Erhmmm... Well you see... no really you don't get whats wrong whit this??!

*doh* when you see (or feel at that matter) that someone is attacking you no matter at what range you don't start casting Long Cast Spells. YOU BLOODY DOT HIM! DoT him so much his eyes blows off, just DoT all you got. Then and only then cast quick cast spells 1-2s and then.... eh wait a sec... He is dead by then. (Kinda talking for being this or this spec: SPEC or SPEC (or something like it (talking whit w/e tactics you want)), so you see sorceress aren't bad at all when going 1v1 at higher lvs.
You just freeze the bloody fool and dot DoT DOT! and watever you do.

I mean I would never cast 3s spells when being atked....

lol

[serran]

but you know what people say - healer EASILY negates backlash!


like, he thinks about it and its gone! so it has to be op!

[DuWolfy]

Lets clear one thing up for Emoamongpeasants, both chrters were out of range and approaching each other. then within max range, both started casting the same time .. that was the results.
So before you come across even more of an emo i suggest you go elsewere to try reciting game mechanics to an obvious conversation which had nothing to do with them.

Need me to reiteratethe point?


p.s. Why would you stack DoT's when your not specced in there ? Also the only Freeze spell which roots them is an AOE centred around your chrter .. so basically you got to run upto them an stand next to them for it to take effect

[kingamongpeasants]

No because you are lost and need help. Like I said - don't pay for PL services if you don't understand basic game mechanics are because you will still get owned as you will just be a new user on a level 40 character. You did not know that it takes at least 3 seconds AFTER you cast a dot for the first tick to come in so that tick with all of the damage jumping you had to occur at least 8ish seconds after the fight started.

Also you apparently thought flame of rhuin was an actual attack of it's own and not a proc.

Not only this but you do not seem to realize that if you stack dots that they will all hit on the same round a couple of times as they start to tick. This is all extreme basics of any type of MMO that has been released in the last 5 years or so.

As for calling me an emo, hey.. I'm not the lvl 40 who doesn't understand basic game mechanics but if name calling on the internet improves your self esteem and ego then sure go for it ... it doesn't bother me any

[DuWolfy]

If it diddnt bother you then you wouldnt have replied, your reply obviously shows that.

ill say it again one more time albeit slowly just for you ....

A approaches B
When A reaches MAX range Fires MAGE BOLT ( an instant cast)
A Then immediatly Cast DOOMBOLT ( a 3 second cast)

The specifics you overlooked are

i) MAGEBOLT was cast as a reference point of the begining of the DOOMBOLT cast time
ii) Travelling time from A>B would be approx 3 secs
iii) The 3 secs it took to cast DOOMBOLT B had hit A 5 Times (inc Procs) As seen by the Backlash Dmg of 750 when DOOMBOLT had launched.

So from that we see that A gets hit 5 times during casting , which is 3 Secs. The DOOMBOLT travelling time was 3 Secs. Before it could hit A was hit 3 further times before dieing.
A simple evaluation would stipulate that within the first 3 Secs A took damage 5 times and before another 3 seconds could complete A took a further 3 hits before dieing (Which the DOOMBOLT hit after the final hit killed player A). Which as u see was 1 tick of each of the instant cast spells.
So yeah while i spend 3 secs casting a BW cast 4 instant cast spells and proc'ed one. So thats 5 hits before i could get of the DOOMBOLT

your fault kingamongpeasants lie in you presumptions,
i did not presume a proc was a spell,
that the fight lasted over 8 seconds,
that a BW was incorperated in any other MMO in the last 5 years,
Basic game mechanics has anything to do with the conversation.

In your haste to defend a friend/yourself, whatever you missed the point of the conversation. The topic was comparing the difference between Backlash & a BW.
now after having to simplify to an idiots guide i hope you understand the basic 'mechanics' of what i was reiterating ... again.

If you still dont comprehend what ive painstakingly simplified feel free to message me rather than bump this topic needlessly.

regards

*EDIT*
I see from your previous post

Originally Posted by kingamongpeasants

my r40 bw has roughly 5800 hps

Explains a lot .... no need to cotinue this conversation

[Armitige]

Actually...Kingamongpeasants is correct. Ignite's first tick of damage doesn't occur until 3 seconds after the spell is cast (same with boiling blood for that matter). His ignite has ticked on you twice before you're doombolt went off. Which means he had close to a 3 second drop on you. There's no possible way he cast ignite at the same time you cast magebolt. Taking into consideration, he also got a boiling, a detonate and started channelling Whithering heat on you , plus the fact spells have a 1.5 second global cooldown (incase you missed the count, that's 3 spells x 1.5 second global cooldown = 4.5 seconds before he even started channelling whithering heat).... You were just plain beaten to the draw. Perhaps next time you'll remember to switch on time stamp when you post that sort of screenie.

Also, what's your gear like? Judging by the amount you mitigated from Reason's attacks, you're resists are almost non-existant. You're gear and spell selection is what let you down here. Nothing to do with bright wizards being OP.

Oh, and just to clarify, explosions do exactly the same damage as backlash, so it's not like the bright wizard that got the jump on you wasn't risking taking damage each time he cast.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by DuWolfy

*EDIT*
I see from your previous post



Explains a lot .... no need to cotinue this conversation

Huh? So because he has a bright wizard, that somehow automatically disqualifies him from commenting? I guess by that logic, you're disqualified too, because you're a sorc....

[Zvejk]

Hmm .... approaching BW 1 on 1 and you start casting DB as opener (not counting magebolt)?

THIS explains a lot.

[Elathar]

Originally Posted by DuWolfy

If it diddnt bother you then you wouldnt have replied, your reply obviously shows that.

ill say it again one more time albeit slowly just for you ....

A approaches B
When A reaches MAX range Fires MAGE BOLT ( an instant cast)
A Then immediatly Cast DOOMBOLT ( a 3 second cast)

The specifics you overlooked are

i) MAGEBOLT was cast as a reference point of the begining of the DOOMBOLT cast time
ii) Travelling time from A>B would be approx 3 secs
iii) The 3 secs it took to cast DOOMBOLT B had hit A 5 Times (inc Procs) As seen by the Backlash Dmg of 750 when DOOMBOLT had launched.

.....

If you still dont comprehend what ive painstakingly simplified feel free to message me rather than bump this topic needlessly.

regards

*EDIT*
I see from your previous post



Explains a lot .... no need to cotinue this conversation

The BWs are right though. You can test yourself how long it takes until a dot tics. And really whatever specc you are DB is not the right think to cast if you're facing a BW (or btw. any other class attacking you...). We've lots of dots and fast cast spells too : ).

How Sorcerers and BWs generally compare is a different thing though.

[DuWolfy]

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[DuWolfy]

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[scintal]

Originally Posted by DuWolfy

nice little SS

http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?i...7796910jb8.jpg

So in the first few seconds of a match i get hit by my own Backlash for

300
300
750
750
750
750

Guess what .. yeah my HP drops down to 20% before anyone even hits me.



Or maybe ill runinto a BW .. i cast doombolt ( a 3 second cast time ) and get hit 9 times by a BW standing stationary before it hits him. So with 6.5k HP im a 1 cast kill, I cast 1 spell and am dead before i can cast another.

Hey you know your class is naff when they opposition doesnt even bother root you with stop,drop an kick u in the teeth spells.

http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?i...7796910jb8.jpg


Kinda getting bored,

I agree, those BW that use hacks do kill you fast.
Like if a BO use a hack that ignores Global Cooldown?
Man, they killed me in 2 seconds attacking 30 times.

Besides, if it was a calmailty (sp?) spec sorc that you were facing, the result will be more or less the same (may be with a couple less dot tick but with 1 more HoR tick to kill you instead?)

Nerf calmality Sorc too?
(not saying they sholdn, but following your logic, they should. )

[Sahrokh]

BW. Backlash takes a bit to do 750 damage, but BW DoTs do multiple 700+ damage quickly.

Also who is this scintal trolling every sorc thread with completely false and / or clueless statements about Sorc?