Fetch over powered?

[Mannacannon]

Ok I joined my first t4 scenario today. At 30 I was crushing order with my Pit of shades ( I had great support).
Then I joined my 2nd scenario and got totally crushed.
Why you may ask?

I spent the whole scenario getting fetched and slain even at distances way past my own range.

The White lion ability "Fetch"(range 150, 10 sec recast). It sends the pet in to punt you to the owner.

I spent the whole scenario getting fetched and gangbanged. The only counter I could think of is stay 200 ft away.

150 out ranges any ability I have by 50%.

We cant go toe to toe with a whitelion and pet at point blank. Not to mention every one around him.

You cant burn down their pet before it gets to you.

Pets are imune to our root.

We cant root our selves or resist it.

So how do I counter this?

[Fima]

Originally Posted by Mannacannon

Ok I joined my first t4 scenario today. At 30 I was crushing order with my Pit of shades ( I had great support).
Then I joined my 2nd scenario and got totally crushed.
Why you may ask?

I spent the whole scenario getting fetched and slain even at distances way past my own range.

The White lion ability "Fetch"(range 150, 10 sec recast). It sends the pet in to punt you to the owner.

I spent the whole scenario getting fetched and gangbanged. The only counter I could think of is stay 200 ft away.

150 out ranges any ability I have by 50%.

We cant go toe to toe with a whitelion and pet at point blank. Not to mention every one around him.

You cant burn down their pet before it gets to you.

Pets are imune to our root.

We cant root our selves or resist it.

So how do I counter this?

You can root the pet actually

If you see it running at you just nuke it till its like a bit away then root it and nuke it some more they dont take much to get down

[Blundertoph Obslist]

Considering that you are part of the most powerful Arch-type in the game, and that WL is nothing special...no, Fetch is fine.

[Arwene]

There isn't much you can do if they fetched you from max range unfortunately. If it isn't sorcs, it's healers they are fetching.

I think the only time I got away from a fetch was when I was pulled a shorter distance, used cascade and got triumphant blast to work, resist buff, flee and luckily heals. Otherwise you're doomed.

I do try to counter the pet if I see it coming to me by using root and hopefully help from someone to kill it.

Also, if I am not mistaken, Magus has a similar skill to pull mobs? Or somebody does, I've seen groups of Order forced together before. But it's ever so rare it seems.

[Moojoo]

Originally Posted by Arwene

There isn't much you can do if they fetched you from max range unfortunately. If it isn't sorcs, it's healers they are fetching.

I think the only time I got away from a fetch was when I was pulled a shorter distance, used cascade and got triumphant blast to work, resist buff, flee and luckily heals. Otherwise you're doomed.

I do try to counter the pet if I see it coming to me by using root and hopefully help from someone to kill it.

Also, if I am not mistaken, Magus has a similar skill to pull mobs? Or somebody does, I've seen groups of Order forced together before. But it's ever so rare it seems.

No, the magus is a AE magnet, which the engineer got the same thing.

The "supposed" mirror to WL fetch would be with the marauder (Tendril Embrace), except it is only 65 ft range and has 2sec cast while the WL one is insta.

[phoffman]

Fetch is fine by me. As a Zealot I have been fetched only a few times and it wasn't all that successful for the White Lion.

What I have seen in RvR is that the Lion is usually targeted quickly because its death denies the White Lion of some of his utility and prevents annoyance to the group's healers.

Remember Mauraders have a single target pull at a shorter range which is pretty good.

Engineers and Magus have an AoE pull that effects 9 people. Used with other AoE it can be devistating.

I have a feeling that leveling Engineer and Magus is a pretty painful prospect, because I don't see many of the class around. My guild only has 1 Rank 40 Magus, where as other classes are more represented.

While I don't have specific numbers from my experience There seems to be more Engineers than Magus (in T4 content). Personally I feel this is because it sounds cooler to be a Master of Machines and Gunpouder than a Demon toting surfer.

[Paulie]

Fetch needs to be dropped to 100 yards and the Marauder's Terrible Embrace needs to be increased to 85 yards (no pet to deal with).

Problem solved.

[Gaidax]

Kill the pet... all the counter there.

[Arwene]

Originally Posted by phoffman

Fetch is fine by me. As a Zealot I have been fetched only a few times and it wasn't all that successful for the White Lion.

What I have seen in RvR is that the Lion is usually targeted quickly because its death denies the White Lion of some of his utility and prevents annoyance to the group's healers.

Remember Mauraders have a single target pull at a shorter range which is pretty good.

Engineers and Magus have an AoE pull that effects 9 people. Used with other AoE it can be devistating.

I have a feeling that leveling Engineer and Magus is a pretty painful prospect, because I don't see many of the class around. My guild only has 1 Rank 40 Magus, where as other classes are more represented.

While I don't have specific numbers from my experience There seems to be more Engineers than Magus (in T4 content). Personally I feel this is because it sounds cooler to be a Master of Machines and Gunpouder than a Demon toting surfer.

Thanks for the info!

On my server, it seems that T4 are often hit and miss wrt classes. Sometimes there's a good mix and sometimes there isn't. But I do think that the consistency in classes you see on the Order side is a lot better.

[Wunear]

Originally Posted by Moojoo

No, the magus is a AE magnet, which the engineer got the same thing.

The "supposed" mirror to WL fetch would be with the marauder (Tendril Embrace), except it is only 65 ft range and has 2sec cast while the WL one is insta.

Except embrace doesn't depend on a pet that doesn't scale and really IS unstoppable in the respect that you can't kill the fetching mechanism.

[Mannacannon]

Originally Posted by Fima

You can root the pet actually

If you see it running at you just nuke it till its like a bit away then root it and nuke it some more they dont take much to get down

I have been trying to root White lion pets from day one. They don't root. Pets ignore Sorc CC. If the pets were actually rootable I still would have a problem with the 150 range, but at least id have a counter.

Originally Posted by Blundertoph Obslist

Considering that you are part of the most powerful Arch-type in the game, and that WL is nothing special...no, Fetch is fine.

I am sorry sir you have mistaken me for the bright wizard that can kill me in about 4 sec of casting from 100 ft. A feat no sorc can accomplish on any class, not to mention their superior CC. If I could deal thier kind of death Id still die but so would the WL, a semi fair trade off.

In essence at 150% of my range he can cast an effective insta death on me every 10 sec.

Originally Posted by Gaidax

Kill the pet... all the counter there.

Im sure a BW could, like the one you play but we cant burn down the pet in the time it takes to summon us. We dont command that kind of DPS.

I would expect this kind of reply from a Trolling Order.

[grinningsphinx]

Originally Posted by Blundertoph Obslist

Considering that you are part of the most powerful Arch-type in the game, and that WL is nothing special...no, Fetch is fine.

You sir, are quite delusional...have you taken your meds today?

[Marwynn]

They do root. They just sometimes resist it. I've had my War Lion stuck at my side several times, leading to my demise.

That said, you can kill the fluffy kitty.

[Goldenheart]

Just kill, root, stun, kd, knockback the lion. Simple as.

[Mannacannon]

Originally Posted by Goldenheart

Just kill, root, stun, kd, knockback the lion. Simple as.

We can't root, stun, knockback, or kill them in the 2 sec it takes them to rush in and punt us at no risk to the caster because hes 50 ft out of our range.

Root ben thier tried that for 30 levels. Sorc CC does not work on lion pets period.

Still looking for some sorc wiser than my self to tell me a counter.