Please keep Burlok a relaxed place to roleplay our characters

[Kyrontor]

This is a personal response to various threads popping here and there on Burlok forums.

In my opinion, roleplayers can be skilled and competitive gamers as much as non-roleplayers. However there are some things here, many people miss i think:

1. I know i have to kill the healer in order to win, but my character is a Dwarf, the "tank" is an Orc and the "healer" is a Human so i decide that my character doesn't care that much about the specific "healer" clearly for roleplaying reasons.

2. I know that i lose VP when i go solo against a warband but i happen to roleplay an aggressive character.

Etc. I am not doing any of the above personally but i don't go mad when i see people doing them, neither i post on the forums about it, neither i call the specific people "retards", "morons" or any other bad names i 've seen been used in-game.

Seriously, if anyone gets fed-up/angry with such things maybe he should reconsider on what server he/she is playing? Simply cause many roleplayers won't go for the option to "win" when this goes against the player's chosen behavior for their character. And no if you call me, or anyone else, a "moron", a "retard" or anything like that, i will personally report you for harassment.

Also some things about warbands here and "democracy". As far as i know (feel free to correct me if i am wrong), Warhammer world has NOTHING to do with democracy. An in game warband equates to a Warhammer world army. An army has a commander/leader. When you decide that your character joins a warband, your character joins that army and generally he is expected to follow the leader's commands. You can of course roleplay an unruly character and start disagreeing with the leader/do your own things, but don't be surprised if sooner or later you get dismissed (i.e. kicked) from that army.

If you feel there is "lack of democracy" here, let me tell you that you are wrong. Democracy is something we humans invented for our world and has nothing to do with a fantasy world like Warhammer. Note here that the game also give us the option to form our own warband or even go solo, so maybe that's what your character should be doing if he disagrees with a leader? Just a tip.

I am not against realm organization and getting things done right, in fact i support it, but i think everyone has to understand what to expect and where to stop, on a server like Burlok, which is the last place for us - EU players - to roleplay our characters.

[Lililth]

Originally Posted by Kyrontor

In my opinion, roleplayers can be skilled and competitive gamers as much as non-roleplayers. However there are some things here, many people miss i think:

1. I know i have to kill the healer in order to win, but my character is a Dwarf, the "tank" is an Orc and the "healer" is a Human so i decide that my character doesn't care that much about the specific "healer" clearly for roleplaying reasons.

2. I know that i lose VP when i go solo against a warband but i happen to roleplay an aggressive character.

Etc. I am not doing any of the above personally but i don't go mad when i see people doing them, neither i post on the forums about it, neither i call the specific people "retards", "morons" or any other bad names i 've seen been used in-game.

Seriously, if anyone gets fed-up/angry with such things maybe he should reconsider on what server he/she is playing? Simply cause many roleplayers won't go for the option to "win" when this goes against the player's chosen behavior for their character. And no if you call me, or anyone else, a "moron", a "retard" or anything like that, i will personally report you for harassment.

I think everybody will agree with you here. Exept when we try to lock a zone and somebody goes solo against another warband, most of us will agree to tell that person something. It could be nicer and more helpfull then "retard" but if somebody is "roleplaying" a guy that wants to call people names? then the same as you say it now, he cant help it and you have to get along with him.

In my opinion the best option is: Do this kind of roleplaying when it isnt that important, when we dont try to lock a zone. i dont encourage this kind of roleplay but its best to hold it for a more appropriate moment.

[Lord Tareq]

Personally I keep RvR/Scenario combat fairly separated from RP. Except for 1 thing, I will never use flee (isn't even on my hotbar, and never used it in 31 ranks) but thats a matter of principle and not really handicapping anyone but myself. I would never do anything that would handicap my team simply for RP reasons (say spending the entire fight bashing on a Swordmaster, leaving our healers to the mercy of a few WH's, even though IC my character wouldn't give a rats tail about that goblin living or dying)

[Zazodora]

There is another thing to consider; That most of us are soldiers in this game and soldiers don't always get to pick their own targets.
Regardless of which race you are, you'd probably be disciplined enough to follow orders even if you'd prefer running off somewhere else.

Personally i don't really care much about VP's, death or anything that has to do with numbers in this game, but when i'm in a warband i have agreed to follow orders and i am often rewarded for it. Even a mercenary will follow orders to earn money or glory. There is a lot of room for RP even if you have to be disciplined, just RP a soldier.

Solo i do whatever suits me, no matter how mad it is.

[Kyrontor]

Originally Posted by Lililth

It could be nicer and more helpfull then "retard" but if somebody is "roleplaying" a guy that wants to call people names? then the same as you say it now, he cant help it and you have to get along with him.

As long as you do it on /say channel and your character has actually met with the specific guy, knows what he is doing and it all comes naturally to the situation. And provided you keep it cool cause otherwise it could still be considered as harassment.

edit: And sorry but no to your "keep that kind of roleplaying for when it is not important". If i wanted that i would be just posting stories to some warhammer forum community. I play the game to have my character actually do what he is supposed to.

[TiberiusMonkey]

No.

This is a structured MMO environment with a structure we are all playing along to, MMOs are simple places and personally I often find the worse roleplayers are the ones that seem unable to change how they roleplay in different environments. Roleplayers that "attack the Orc because he's an Orc and ignore the healers" are going to lose the battle for everyone.

This isn't pen and paper, in pen and paper you know who you're playing with, you understand the other players and the game evolves. In WAR we don't all know each other, and a roleplayer can't just expect someone to put up with them doing silly things because they decide in a ridged and structured game environment they are going to ignore human healers over Orc tanks.

The more I play MMOs on roleplay severs, the more I think "heavy" roleplayers are unable to adapt to a given environment and try and force their own style of heavy handed roleplay not only on other players (expecting everyone to just put up with it when they do something stupid just because the server has a RP label on it) but also on the game itself.

*Warning. This thread is not aimed at anyone personally.

[Magaruis]

Originally Posted by TiberiusMonkey

No.

This is a structured MMO environment with a structure we are all playing along to, MMOs are simple places and personally I often find the worse roleplayers are the ones that seem unable to change how they roleplay in different environments. Roleplayers that "attack the Orc because he's an Orc and ignore the healers" are going to lose the battle for everyone.

This isn't pen and paper, in pen and paper you know who you're playing with, you understand the other players and the game evolves. In WAR we don't all know each other, and a roleplayer can't just expect someone to put up with them doing silly things because they decide in a ridged and structured game environment they are going to ignore human healers over Orc tanks.

The more I play MMOs on roleplay severs, the more I think "heavy" roleplayers are unable to adapt to a given environment and try and force their own style of heavy handed roleplay not only on other players (expecting everyone to just put up with it when they do something stupid just because the server has a RP label on it) but also on the game itself.

*Warning. This thread is not aimed at anyone personally.

You can roleplay out anything you want IF one thing changes in the whole game.
Darwinism is implemented.
You want to charge alone into a warband ? Congratulations , you are dead , reroll a new character. Because thats how it is in P&P. characters who don't have any sense of self preservation die fast, unless if your DM is very lenient. Even most barbarian characters i've seen have some sense of it (or there DM doesn't place monster where they have to not fight infront of them). (remember, there is no ressurection in the warhammer world, so dead is dead.)

Stuff like that only happens in P&P and movies. In any army if you were mad enough to go off on your own you would be branded a deserted , be shot and be done with it.

If you are going to roleplay below your own abilitys because you think it fits your character , that is fine. But be ready for people who will roleplay their character out and call you names or make sure that they give you a hard time.

The problem with this 'extreme' roleplay is that the enviorement does not support this kind of behavior. Roleplay is not rewarded except socially.

[Lianna]

I like hardcore roleplaying, although I do not follow it too much, because...

Originally Posted by Kyrontor

1. I know i have to kill the healer in order to win, but my character is a Dwarf, the "tank" is an Orc and the "healer" is a Human so i decide that my character doesn't care that much about the specific "healer" clearly for roleplaying reasons.

Dwarf's decision, his overcomeness with anger and fury, have costed his Clan several brave and dedicated warriors, masters and craftsmen. Dwarf is therefore expelled from his clan for failing his duty, his name is forever stroken from the Clan Annals. Dwarf uptakes the Oath of Slayer, seeking glorious death in battle against all odds.
Translation: being kicked from warband, kicked from guild, seeks Dragon Lord, dies, deletes his character.

Originally Posted by Kyrontor

2. I know that i lose VP when i go solo against a warband but i happen to roleplay an aggressive character.

Aggressive warrior charges straight into an enemy band, hacks and slashes, is surrounded and cut to pieces by uncaring and gruesome enemy.
Translation: Warrior dies, logouts and deletes his character, because he fell in battle.

[Gharunkal]

Well, you can put me in this group of players: This is a RP-server, you rolled on it, so you must be willing to accept people are going to roleplay. 'The moment people start implementing rules when it is allowed to roleplay, we can as well call it a 'normal' or PvE-server. (Considering this is not RP-RvR).

I fully agree with the OP here.

If you dislike roleplaying that much, or people roleplaying in RvR, why join this server in the first place? Roleplaying-servers are meant to be havens for roleplayers, so they won't interfere with other players and vice versa.

Originally Posted by Lianna

Dwarf's decision, his overcomeness with anger and fury, have costed his Clan several brave and dedicated warriors, masters and craftsmen. Dwarf is therefore expelled from his clan for failing his duty, his name is forever stroken from the Clan Annals. Dwarf uptakes the Oath of Slayer, seeking glorious death in battle against all odds.
Translation: being kicked from warband, kicked from guild, seeks Dragon Lord, dies, deletes his character.

Dwarf's going to attack Orcs to besettle grudges against his species, Orcs may have slain his kin. Dwarf kills Orc and besettles grudge, he is awarded for exacting justice on the vile kin of Orcs.

Dwarfs are stubborn and a race full of pride, it is their duty to kill Orcs. If Dwarf does NOT charge Orc, he betrays his dead ancestors, does not forfill duty to besettle grudges, becomes a Slayer and dies to restore his honour.

At least, that's how I see things with the army-handbook on my lap.

[Kemintarii]

OOC: Now I understand people getting frustrated at someone charging off at the enemy alone or picking the orc over the goblin, but I'm sorry I think the OP has it bang on, this is an RP sever, the only real one for the EU, and if someone wants to RP a Warrior Priest, who lets his battle lust consume him, and doesn't bother to heal anyone...........well as much as I may be the one in serious need of a heal, I'm not going to have a problem with it (as long as it's all IC).

I know we all like to win, and you may well be RPing a character who beleives in strict disipline in the ranks, but the other guy may not be, and on this server (Burlok RP) that should be accepted, if you are not happy with it, kick the guy from the warband, or call him on it.......but please do it IC so no one takes offense, and if he still refuses to change, have the manners to accept he is also paying to play this game, and has specifically chosen the RP server to..................roleplay. Each to their own guys.

Your not happy with someone RPing their character, remove them, but please do it IC, and if their RP style really bugs you, either ignore it, or send them a tell, but do it with some manners, and none of the vile abuse I see thrown around at some people for trying to RP their character. Just because it's PvP or ORvR doesn't mean all RP has to stop, or that there are only certain ways you are allowed to RP, have a little respect for someone elses RP style, we can't all have the same one .

[Bodd]

Please, roleplay your hearts out. However, please also develop a character concept that co-operates with the rest of the players on your side. Wilfully playing a character who behaves in ways that are detrimental to your side's battle efforts (such as the hypothetical tank-attacker) is comparable to the PnP player who creates a psychotic murderer, butchers the rest of his party, and then uses 'roleplaying' as an excuse. In a collaborative game, it's important to everyone's enjoyment that people are considerate of others players' game experience. Save the tragically flawed characters for single-player games, if you don't mind.

[Kraggax]

Oh my goodness the lengths people will goto to try and retain the rp morale high ground.

My character is in fact a psychic, now do as I say because I can command you and force you to do it against you own will without you even being aware of it, now dont argue please... you will ruin my immersion ... respect my right to roleplay.

Note the stress on the me myself and I. Fudge the rest of you.

[TiberiusMonkey]

All of you elitist roleplayers "agreeing with the OP" are the reason why so many people have an issue with roleplayers. You're the reason that we have a thread here with people saying roleplayers make bad RVRs.

You are creating a character that is deliberately working outside of the team goals, in a TEAM game with a rigid rule set and with limited options for going off the rails. It's a computer game.

The excuse that "this is a roleplay server" is nothing but that, an excuse. The very second a roleplayer says "I know I'm taking up a spot in this scenario which could be filled by someone that will play with the team, but I'm sorry I'm a roleplayer and I only attack Orcs and not the healer that is healing him. Sorry that we've lost an' all" he becomes nothing more than an arse. I'm sorry if that offends anyone.

There are many environments made for roleplay like that, and a train-track, class driven TEAM game is not one of them.

WHY does there always have to be a group of people that think roleplay is about doing JUST what you want at the expense of the rest of the team and that because a server has a roleplay tag next to it, it some how gives them the RIGHT to roleplay something that has a detrimental effect on the rest of the group?

It's called being selfish when a single person thinks their right to do something overrides the rest of a team.

[Zazodora]

In the end, you'll not meet too many people who wants to RP just like you do. And it's no use wanting to control your environment consisting of hundreds of different individuals. When you think about it, isn't the whole point of roleplaying not being in control and react to anything that happens in a way suitable for your character?

If a dwarf runs off to chop up an orc when the rest are following the plan, then so be it, but why be surprised when they react to it? Do you expect humans to understand the dwarven culture? or elves to be understanding of the importance of a grudge?
No! They would assume the dwarf ran off to join the enemy! After all, the greenskins are his neighbours!

If someone calls you 'moron', why assume it's directed at you personally when everyone else only can see your character? I'm sure people called eachother much worse things 100-1000 years ago and even 10000 years ago.
If you're roleplaying it's up to you to react with your character to everything that happens, or you can choose to go ooc all the time because you think someone else is. You can't really tell whether someone is roleplaying or not based on his/her use of language because there are so many ways of doing it. Take the czech and polish players on our server for example, do you assume they aren't roleplayers because they don't always speak english?
Now, maybe 'retard' and 'moron' WAS an ooc comment but whoever said it was still only reacting to what your CHARACTER did. So why not react to it IC?

Anyway, what i'm trying to say is that you will never be able to control your fellow players, but you CAN control how to incorporate them into the world of your character. Even if they use modern language, who says it's not just one of many dialects or languages of the warhammer world?
You're hearing techie ooc talk in chat? It's the BOOZE talking! or they got post traumatic stress syndrome! Whatever, modern medicine doesn't exist and if you're mad you're mad, there are much stranger things in a fantasy world.
Speaking of which...have a problem with region chat or maps that changes colour? It's magic for heaven's sake. Mages can kill you with death rays and witches can be invisible, but simple tricks like telepathy and magical maps can't exist?
In a magical world, the first thing magic would be used for would be military communication...just like the internet, that was developed for military use.

Imagination is your primary tool for roleplaying, use it.
Just keep your own RP up and anyone else who enjoys it is sure to follow.

Personally i treat everyone the same in-game, roleplayer or not doesn't matter, you are all actors in my personal warhammer universe and you're all IC whether you like it or not. It works great for me and noone's ever complained about my humble RP, most likely because i don't ever judge anyone else's ability.
It's the golden rule.

The whole point of the game, in the end, is to have fun. But never at the expense of someone else's fun, which means you have to be open-minded about your fellow players.


hmmm...i think that was all about how i see things.

[Kanthric]

I think its safe to say that the server, being the only [EN] RP one left, has the full spectrum of players:

1) Die Hard roleplayers who will remain IC unless impossible to do so, in both actions as well as /say

2) People who stick to IC unless impractical to do so, e.g. placing the realm's wider desire for RVR success over total adherence to lore.

3) People who like the atmosphere of the RP server, either for maturity or IC flavour, and are generally happy to use /say IC, but are here primarily for RVR and would prefer people to prioritise that.

4) Dedicated RVR players who rolled here to avoid the leet-kiddies (or for reasons unknown), but who feel that the average heavy roleplayer is a misguided idiot and would be better off going into a corner and doing things with dice rather than risk interfering with the RVR experience.


No real surprise that camps 3) and 4) level all kinds of criticisms at 1) and, to a lesser extent, 2).

Equally, doesn't take a genius to see that camps 1) and 2) are likely to have a beef with 4) and some grumbles with 3).

No side has a god-given right to rule the server and dictate to the others how to play, so a little more tolerance all round can only be a good thing.