Not resubbing until they fix world RVR

[Ainotna]

If I wanted to do "scenarios" I would just play WoW for their battlegrounds where there's more of them more often.

Scenarios ruined world objective RVR. If they weren't there, guess what people would be doing? World RVR. Why is no one doing world RVR? Because everyone unsubbed for good (for multiple reasons), unsubbed to play twinks in tier 1 (like myself), or are playing scenarios.

World RVR is clearly working in tier 1. Why did they have to ruin it for all the other tiers?

Well, anyway, go ahead fanboys and flame me. I just hope that the devs will someday realize their mistake and make world RVR important again.

[Snoxx]

World RvR is not popular right now because everyone is busy playing scenarios, farming insignias for their new PvP weapons.

[Ainotna]

Originally Posted by Snoxx

World RvR is not popular right now because everyone is busy playing scenarios, farming insignias for their new PvP weapons.

Exactly. It shouldn't be that way. The insignias should come from world RVR only, with scenarios as just an option. It's ridiculous that the original basis of the game was destroyed by implementing a WoW clone.

[Spuxy]

Originally Posted by Ainotna

Exactly. It shouldn't be that way. The insignias should come from world RVR only, with scenarios as just an option. It's ridiculous that the original basis of the game was destroyed by implementing a WoW clone.

This was about the attitude towards removing Forts aswell, don't get me wrong it's a justified attitude, but a bad one nontheless.

I'm pretty sure that in less than a month's time the RvR and SCs will be fairly balanced once again. Considering the City Siege overhaul in 1.3.5, I'm quite sure that people will once again go out into the fields of battle.

[PandemicUK]

while KN had a drop in world rvr for a while its now more active than ever

and more balanced. good server atm.

[Blaq]

Originally Posted by Spuxy

This was about the attitude towards removing Forts aswell, don't get me wrong it's a justified attitude, but a bad one nontheless.

I'm pretty sure that in less than a month's time the RvR and SCs will be fairly balanced once again. Considering the City Siege overhaul in 1.3.5, I'm quite sure that people will once again go out into the fields of battle.

This.

Scenario popularity will drop in time and we'll be back in the old routine of ORvR with a pinch of Scenarios.

The current Scenario popularity stems from the fact that the Scenario weapon system was designed for people that level up from scratch and upgrade weapons as they go through their renown ranks. The crowd of players that are much higher than RR40 needed to catch up so they were grinding scenario tokens like crazy.

It's enough to do a few scenarios a day if you start at RR40 so when the higher RR crowd gets their weapons we'll see things settle as everyone will have to go through their renown rank leveling together with getting enough tokens.

[Merius]

Playing on Norn I have not had any complaints about oRvR, but other than that - I've seen my share of threads applying the same argument to the lack of scenarios popping. I don't have many problems on that front either though. Recalling my daoc years on Prydwen, all rvr (and pve as well) was a waiting game: equip necky, wait for port to emain....1 or 2 didn't make the port or forgot necklace, some1 relogging his healbot, quick afk for cig, brb loo etc etc etc... WAR devs did a great job minimalising these annoyances imo.

[Perle]

The current Scenario popularity stems from the fact that the Scenario weapon system was designed for people that level up from scratch and upgrade weapons as they go through their renown ranks. The crowd of players that are much higher than RR40 needed to catch up so they were grinding scenario tokens like crazy.

It's enough to do a few scenarios a day if you start at RR40 so when the higher RR crowd gets their weapons we'll see things settle as everyone will have to go through their renown rank leveling together with getting enough tokens.

I really hope this is correct. At the moment on Gorfang it seems (at least whenever I am online) there is no RVR, just RVE.

[NoneSuch]

I've always wondered why games actually need scens in the first place, usually the argument is that world PVP isn't fast enough, there aren't enough players doing it and it's hostile towards guys who just want to pop in for an hour or less and get a few fights done.

My main issue with all that is, the majority of those arguments against world pvp are directly caused by scens in the first place. The reason it takes so long to find anyone in open pvp is that everyone is in scens. If open pvp is boring compared to scens then that's a design flaw more than anything.

I fully understand why people play trials and just stick in tier 1, as that's where the game was the most fun for some.

I've always thought the main way to fix scens is have a server where they're removed and replaced with triggered events players can join depending on what's happening in world pvp. So, if one faction takes a fort, gets control of something etc it opens up a scen for a short while, rather than having them accessible all the time.

[arknad]

When ppl acculy want to do "end game" (altdorf, IC) they will do oRvR, atm altdorf/IC is just a boring w8 fest 90% of the time.
When ppl want to do it, they will start doing orvr and other realm will try to ruin things for them and we will have a good workin orvr.
Right now the best chance for a good fight is in SC, thats why so many do them and ofc royal wepons helps.

So if the new altdorf/IC as so got that is sound and ppl want to do it evryday and not only when lockout is ended we will have a awesome orvr, atleast on KN..


and pandemic, redguard? did BC not bomb hard enough?

[Soak]

Originally Posted by PandemicUK

while KN had a drop in world rvr for a while its now more active than ever

and more balanced. good server atm.

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Agreed. We have great fights most nights, with the breaks only to PVE away in VL. VERY active orvr on norn.

[Kyuuri]

Originally Posted by Ainotna

If I wanted to do "scenarios" I would just play WoW for their battlegrounds where there's more of them more often.

Scenarios ruined world objective RVR. If they weren't there, guess what people would be doing? World RVR. Why is no one doing world RVR? Because everyone unsubbed for good (for multiple reasons), unsubbed to play twinks in tier 1 (like myself), or are playing scenarios.

World RVR is clearly working in tier 1. Why did they have to ruin it for all the other tiers?

Well, anyway, go ahead fanboys and flame me. I just hope that the devs will someday realize their mistake and make world RVR important again.

As others have said, on Norn T4 oRvR is active vibrant and enjoys a lot of popularity so I don't really see the conflict of interests. And if you're comparing WAR scens to WoW BG's then you haven't really done either one of them, the difference is pretty big in that in WAR scenarios do mean a lot more to people instead of being pure grinds that they are in WoW (Arguably they are also more balanced and filled with better players).

The real deal breaker between scens and oRvR is simply that oRvR is dominated by numbers and that leads to zerging. For people like me who don't get all sparkly eyed at the mention of large scale battle and having hundreds of players clashing over a keep there's just not that much of interest going on in oRvR. Scens on the other hand offer a balanced (12vs12) enviroment with room for individual contribution and with objectives that can occassionaly do very well in breaking up the zerging mindset.

[PandemicUK]

Originally Posted by arknad

When ppl acculy want to do "end game" (altdorf, IC) they will do oRvR, atm altdorf/IC is just a boring w8 fest 90% of the time.
When ppl want to do it, they will start doing orvr and other realm will try to ruin things for them and we will have a good workin orvr.
Right now the best chance for a good fight is in SC, thats why so many do them and ofc royal wepons helps.

So if the new altdorf/IC as so got that is sound and ppl want to do it evryday and not only when lockout is ended we will have a awesome orvr, atleast on KN..


and pandemic, redguard? did BC not bomb hard enough?

BC are no longer doing organised rvr due to lack of players.

[arknad]

Originally Posted by PandemicUK

BC are no longer doing organised rvr due to lack of players.

wish I had some got reply to that, sadly I dont..
I have hate BC and you since I transferd to k8p, but that only cos you and you guild killed me 1000+ times.. No hard feeling exept that.